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Official 2007 NBA Finals Thread - Damon Jones is in the Finals? Dear God No!
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themadcowtipper
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Straightballin
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whats with all this lebron vs. mj talk?
LeBron makes it to the finals and is now being considered better than Jordan?
LeBron's performance doesnt even rank up in Jordans top 10 perfomances in the playoffs. It was LeBron's best game ever. Jordan had much better perfomrances in his early career and had a shitty teamates which stopped him from going farther. But he did make it eventually but hit a roadblock with very difficult teams such as the Pistons who went on to win the championship. Kobe's performance against the suns last year was evern better than LeBrons other than the fact that the points were at the end of the game and was less talked about.
This is bullshit how everyone is comparing Jordan to Lebron. LeBron is getting everything spoon fed to him. Jordan came into the league and made it his own. There were already stars in the league when he came in Bird and Magic. The league wasnt looking for anyone new. Jordan came in and did his thing and earned the respect that makes him the greatest player ever. He went through so many obstacles to such as not being able to play defense and went on to become one of the greatest defenders of all time. LeBron is being handed everything and everyone is kissing his ass. Jordan had a much harder time to try to make a impact on the league and did.
Edit: Lets also keep in mind. LeBron is very inconsistent. He can rarely take over a game when he wants to unlike Michael. Also LeBron is incosistent as a clutch player.
LeBron makes it to the finals and is now being considered better than Jordan?
LeBron's performance doesnt even rank up in Jordans top 10 perfomances in the playoffs. It was LeBron's best game ever. Jordan had much better perfomrances in his early career and had a shitty teamates which stopped him from going farther. But he did make it eventually but hit a roadblock with very difficult teams such as the Pistons who went on to win the championship. Kobe's performance against the suns last year was evern better than LeBrons other than the fact that the points were at the end of the game and was less talked about.
This is bullshit how everyone is comparing Jordan to Lebron. LeBron is getting everything spoon fed to him. Jordan came into the league and made it his own. There were already stars in the league when he came in Bird and Magic. The league wasnt looking for anyone new. Jordan came in and did his thing and earned the respect that makes him the greatest player ever. He went through so many obstacles to such as not being able to play defense and went on to become one of the greatest defenders of all time. LeBron is being handed everything and everyone is kissing his ass. Jordan had a much harder time to try to make a impact on the league and did.
Edit: Lets also keep in mind. LeBron is very inconsistent. He can rarely take over a game when he wants to unlike Michael. Also LeBron is incosistent as a clutch player.
Blackace
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Straightballin said:
They made up for it after.. all of the non-calls of pushes and hooking on offense.. .. But really MJ (and I really don't like him that much I grew up on Magic and I loved Nique) was the best player to ever play the game to his date. LBJ isn't MJ and never will be.. However, he will be a legend before his career is over, and might even have a chance to really be considered the best ever.. he has the tools..he looks like he has the drive and he is SUPER young..
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Karakand said:
The shots Kobe took at the end of that game were infinitely more difficult than the uncontested layups/dunks Lebron had the other night against the Pistons.
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jobber said:I wish Detroit won so I would know the Spurs were still playing in the Finals
Haha, get used to the Wall-to-Wall Lebron coverage. Also any dunk he gets will be replayed 30 times over even if the Cavs lose by 50.
Blackace
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jobber said:I wish Detroit won so I would know the Spurs were still playing in the Finals
better than hearing you talk about sweeps and crying when you lose a game... "my god the flops! I can't believe the flopping! did you see those flops?"
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It'll be much sweeter when the Spurs tear down all the media hype on Lebron and they're left with nothing else but the dirty, old and boring Spurs dynasty. I'm gonna enjoy that.jobber said:I wish Detroit won so I would know the Spurs were still playing in the Finals
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He's back...I think...
<--new avatar incoming to match my feelings atm till this is official.
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BatiGOOOOOOL said:
That'll be nice, although I still would have loved to see the Pistons against the Spurs one last time. Both are pretty old teams, but their differences are in the mental area. The Pistons have a rather arrogant attitude which they inherited from the Lakers in 2004. They don't respect the teams they play, and seem to think they can sleep walk anywhere. Despite that, they definitely respected the Spurs and would have played hard in the finals. I doubt they would have been able to "switch it on" fully though, and because of that they'd get owned.
On the other hand the Spurs are the most disiplined team in the NBA. There's no way they'd ever take a team for granted, or phone in a series like the Pistons did.
With respect to the age issue, I wonder what's going to happen to the Spurs in the future. Duncan has a few more years of dominance left, in part because he doesn't have to do all the work; I would imagine that if this was a two man team he'd be getting more damaged a lot faster. Manu is kinda old as well. Parker is only 25 (which still blows my mind), so in a few years he'll be the main guy. Who's going to be the next young guy to step up, or step in (free agents, draft, etc).
Incognito said:
Wade was hurt in both 2005 and 2007. If not, who knows. Either way, you can't take away what a healthy Wade did in 2006. He dominated both the Pistons and Mavs, putting up ridiculous numbers. Shaq was a benefit but not at all a reason they won. He was already done in by the Pistons 2 years prior anyway with Kobe on his team.
PhoenixDark said:
Agreed on most accounts, but if the heat don't restructure some they're going to have a tough time. They're too old and unathletic, plain and simple.
Anyway, I can't wait to see what happens with this Lebron James hoopla if the Cavs win game 1.
J2 Cool said:
I don't think you meant to say he dominated his own team...once again, he's not MJ, he won't go and rape old man Gary for ****ing up another play.
I wish he wasn't hurt in 2005, I never blame injuries but you seriously never know how things could've been. I thought we clearly outplayed DET in the first 5 games..but meh, it's not like the Pistons are trash. And this year I doubt a healthy Wade would've done much, we got embarassed by the Bulls to an extent that even I probably could have made more shots than the point guards of Miami.
Next year...is the official coming out of Dorell Wright...if he isn't traded for Kobe by then
If there was ever more proof that being associated with the Gators made you a coward... what a pathetic display. Oh well, Stan Van Gundy seems to be our next target. Better coach, but Donovan would have lured in some UF fans and helped make sure the new stadium went through whereas SVG has more or less no commercial appeal. Nice.
jjasper said:
Ohhh.. everyone? The whole college coaches will automatically fail thing is completely ridiculous though to be honest. College coaches are typically hired because they're a big name and a team is floundering, so they go after the big name to drum up support and bring them in to a frequently unwinnable situation.
People then put unrealistic expectations on the coach and assume hey he's won in the past, he'll automatically bring this team of scrubs to greatness! Pitino seems to be the one who really got the idea going the most, and that's primarily because he was too ego-maniacal and had to control everything. Put an 'NBA coach' in Leonard Hamilton, Lon Kruger, etc.'s shoes, and they'd have lost with the Wizards, the Hawks, etc. too.
pxleyes said:
UF's run is over in football. They've never had a run in baseball. Their basketball coach is a crying little girl that lost all his major talent. The house of cards you've built is collapsing.. and I can't wait to see it happen. You should be happy that the Magic are and will continue to be a classy organization.
As far as our baseball team, I'm of course disappointed since we had the best player in the NCAA this year and arguably the best pitcher and both deserved better, but maybe this is enough to get Mike Martin fired. He simply cannot get it done in the postseason and I appreciate his efforts over the years, but it's time for him to go.
Meier said:
#1 Recruiting class, defending national champs in football, and potentially a BETTER team than last year.
2 years ago our baseball team was in the finals of the College World Series, but ya, we've never had a run.
#1 Basketball recruiting class with some returning sophomores who are stepping up already.
The TRAGIC, classy? LOLOL :lol :lol Seriously, I've never heard that one.
Please, go on. You can continue to make a fool of yourself all you want. I'd like to also admit Donovan is obviously going through an emotional decision-making process. I mean you want to tell me you never regretted any decision in your life? Shit, you went to FSU, I'd regret that in a heartbeat.
Meier said:
*shrug* at the nole thing, I'm so glad you are innocent.
As for the Magic, they have always been a poor excuse for an organization. Looking beyond the facilities that are severely lacking, their coaching decisions over the years have been HORRIBLE. If they had any sense, they would have tried to go for Scotty out of Chicago and bring him back home. They squander talent and let other teams flourish with the same talent a few years later. It is quite sad really. There is a definite reason why, in a sate so rich in sports like Florida, that a team like the Magic fail to thrive.
So because their front office has made more poor decisions, they're not a classy organization? I think Otis Smith has been doing a very solid job since taking over and I think BD would have been a great fit to get people pumped up again. The facilities are indeed dated although Orlando is of course looking to remedy that, although a small but vocal minority could throw a wrench in the plans and then I'd have to go drive down there and go apeshit on them I think.
As far as Scotty goes, he seems content in Chicago but I'd love it if we could have brought him. His passion for the game has always been darn near unmatched as far as I'm concerned.
And I'm not saying I'm innocent of bashing the Gators.. I assume you'd expect nothing less from myself in that regard.
As far as Scotty goes, he seems content in Chicago but I'd love it if we could have brought him. His passion for the game has always been darn near unmatched as far as I'm concerned.
And I'm not saying I'm innocent of bashing the Gators.. I assume you'd expect nothing less from myself in that regard.
Well I think those bad decisions make then less classy when they fire a guy like Brian Hill after making the playoffs and only 2 seasons. I realize, as we all do, that they thought they had Donovan at the time they made the firing, but I still think it was the wrong decision to be made.
Classy is also something of outer appearances and when you look at the O-Rena and the current court, its downright pitiful. It looks like something you'd find inside a high school gym.
Classy is also something of outer appearances and when you look at the O-Rena and the current court, its downright pitiful. It looks like something you'd find inside a high school gym.
PhoenixDark
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Next Town Brown doesn't really like coaching young teams.Blackace said:
Meier said:
Short of hacking the crap outta Bron the Spurs don't really have anyone that can stick with him. Bowen is way too light to slow Bron down much and you know the refs will be protecting him. I hope they aren't gonna do to him what they did for Wade last year. I do NOT wanna see Bron at the line 20 times a game.
Like woodchuck said in an earlier post, it all comes down to the guys like Drew Gooden and Z having good games, if the Cavs are going to have a shot. Also, they can not lose ANY games at home. They are a mediocre road team and much better at home.
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Truelize said:
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woodchuck said:
Pullin the ole' Dickie V tricks I see. Actually I could see him doing that:lol
Obviously this is a strange turn of events, but I think the Magic are doing the right thing, assuming they let him out of the contract. This entire thing has gone public; the fans have heard it, and more importantly the players have heard it. He would have a hard time gaining their trust or respect if he was forced to keep the job.
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