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Official 2007 NBA Finals Thread - Damon Jones is in the Finals? Dear God No!

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A couple of Argentines, and a Francophone does not a world team make. I'm willing to bet it's about the overall availability of the product, then people actually chomping at the bit to watch a team based in Texas play (the hotbed of culture that it is, of course).

Hell I'd wager the ratings are up globally because of the Lebron spectacle, before anything Spurs related.
 
Plus a dutch, a slovenian and a virgin islander(if that's what I should call him).

I'd say the Spurs have quite a bit to do with it. They've built a very big fanbase around the world. The previous most watched Finals was in 2005. Even last season, with the star power of Shaq, Wade and Dirk, it couldn't be topped.
 
why do people care about the ratings

wtf...this is like following wrestling in the late 90s
 
jobber said:
why do people care about the ratings

wtf...this is like following wrestling in the last 90s

Let's get back on topic...

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BatiGOOOOOOL said:
I understand. I was just pointing out that it's not a complete failure for the league. Far from it I'd say.

I'd agree with that. Low ratings here don't really worry me that much. People don't know how stuff like TiVo really changes the numbers still. Plus people are still paying to go see games. Still buying merchandise. Etc. Like I said, people aren't watching because one team playing is uninteresting and terrible.

I know I come off as xenophobic sometimes in the NBA threads but growing the league globally can only help it. If in 10 or 15 years it can enjoy a sizeable fraction of the international following the EPL, Serie A or La Liga have it'd be great for everyone.
 
Anyone notice Bill Simmons dissing the 1998 Bulls saying that the competition from 1996-1999 was about as crappy as it has ever been in the league in his latest chat?

And his equally awesome pimping of the 2001 Lakers as one of the greatest teams ever.

I knew there was a reason I read this guy's columns.
 
bionic77 said:
Anyone notice Bill Simmons dissing the 1998 Bulls saying that the competition from 1996-1999 was about as crappy as it has ever been in the league in his latest chat?

And his equally awesome pimping of the 2001 Lakers as one of the greatest teams ever.

I knew there was a reason I read this guy's columns.

In general, I like Simmons but here he is a dumbass.

Chris (Louisville, KY): I think we can blame any series ending letdown on Jerry Seinfeld. After that stink bomb every director is gonna try to do the same thing and put their "stamp" on the finale.

SportsNation Bill Simmons: See, now that was a bad series finale! The show should have ended with Elaine and Jerry ending up together. By the way, I'm sorry this chat is so serious, I am still tense from the Sopranos, I might have to do a shot of Patron or something.

WTF? Does he even watch Seinfeld? Say what you will about the finale, but jerry and elaine together ruins the point of the show.
 
bionic77 said:
Anyone notice Bill Simmons dissing the 1998 Bulls saying that the competition from 1996-1999 was about as crappy as it has ever been in the league in his latest chat?

And his equally awesome pimping of the 2001 Lakers as one of the greatest teams ever.

I knew there was a reason I read this guy's columns.

It was all Iverson's fault for ruining a near perfect post-season record.

At least you have that to smile about Zep.
 
Bulls vs. Jazz game 5 on ESPN classic.. the only finals games I'm watching..

We'll be back when we get Agent Zero the year after next!
 
Brian (Worchester): WOAH WOAH WOAH! Are you saying the 1996 Bulls aren't the best team ever? I HATE the Bulls but I still have to respect their alltime greatness!

SportsNation Bill Simmons: Yes. Emphatically. I think they won the most games ever. I would not have them in the top-10. You're telling me they could have beaten the 2001 Lakers in a series? Or the '86 Celtics? Or the '85 Lakers? or the '83 Sixers? Gimme a break.

Uhm, yes Bill, they would have beaten those teams.
 
Blackace said:
Well they COULD beat them.. 85 Lakers were off the hook..

Yea.

You don't think MJ would have ripped Kobe's heart out in the Finals? He would have made that poor boy cry.
 
reilo said:
Yea.

You don't think MJ would have ripped Kobe's heart out in the Finals? He would have made that poor boy cry.

Oh sorry I was just looking at the 85 lakers and 86 celtics and thinking how the Bulls would have done..

2001 Lakers would have been beat in 5
 
Cloudy said:
Hmm, the passenger in JR Smith's car died today. Wear a fukkin seatbelt people :(

:(

and don't run stop signs

edit- another reason not to like Simmons:

Chad (Winona, MN): "I also think there should have been an SNL-type show on HBO that could go 10 times further." Mr SHOW?????

SportsNation Bill Simmons: Liked it, enjoyed parts of it, but it was a little "too cool for school" for me. Same reason why I never fell in love with Arrested Development.
 
bionic77 said:
Anyone notice Bill Simmons dissing the 1998 Bulls saying that the competition from 1996-1999 was about as crappy as it has ever been in the league in his latest chat?

And his equally awesome pimping of the 2001 Lakers as one of the greatest teams ever.

I knew there was a reason I read this guy's columns.

Celtic Pride has been completely and utterly eradicated, friend!

Kobe gets MVP chants at whatever cesspool replaced The Garden and now the poster child for Bostonian self-absorbed sports neurosis is calling a Lakers team one of the all-time greats.
 
I'm gonna take a wild guess and say the CeLOLtics.

Draft lotteries are so hilarious with that fanbase. I wonder what that guy with the Oden jersey this year did with it. :lol
 
I gotta admit, seeing the Celtics' self-absorbed "we deserve Oden" attitude crushed is great, but I've enjoyed clowning one of my friends who's a Bucks fan even more since they got the worst possible pick they could get in the lottery.
 
Portland deserved the #1 pick cause KP is actually a very talented GM that built a foundation for an amazing team - even before the #1 pick arrived.

This entire notion that the Celtics deserved the number one pick because the fanbase (lol) rooted for their team to fail is ridiculous. I rooted for Portland to win every ****ing game even when they were eliminated from the playoffs. But that's also partially because I have so much trust and faith in KP to get the player he wants without ****ing the team foundation over. The Celtics do not have that luxury because their owner decides to keep an incompetent GM and coaching staff around. **** the lottery.

You know why Boston fans are mad? Because they know that Ainge will **** up in the lottery and select the wrong player if they landed anything outside of the top two picks.

Nobody mentions that Portland got the worst possible pick they could last season. Despite all of that, KP went out and got the two players he wanted. That's what real GMs do - they do not settle.

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reilo said:
Portland deserved the #1 pick cause KP is actually a very talented GM that built a foundation for an amazing team - even before the #1 pick arrived.

This entire notion that the Celtics deserved the number one pick because the fanbase (lol) rooted for their team to fail is ridiculous. I rooted for Portland to win every ****ing game even when they were eliminated from the playoffs. But that's also partially because I have so much trust and faith in KP to get the player he wants without ****ing the team foundation over. The Celtics do not have that luxury because their owner decides to keep an incompetent GM and coaching staff around. **** the lottery.

I don't try and get into who deserves what in sports. The sports gods are cruel and heartless beings that sit on Mt. Olympus and have little regard for our insignificant being.

That said I'm not gonna lose sleep at night when a team hovering on the brink of Oklahoma City oblivion and another one that actually tried to win last season got #1 and #2 at the expense of the poor, title-deprived Celtics.
 
BatiGOOOOOOL said:
:lol @this pic

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Can you guess who that guy roots for? :D
Well the fact that he's wearing what seems to be a home made Popeye Jones jersey suggests that he's a Toronto fan.
And clinically insane.
 
Sumidor said:
Also the rumors that Isaiah would like to get Sheed. Can you imagine the Pistons without Billups AND Sheed? Wow..

Dumars isn't trading Sheed

Rasheed Wallace has been the subject of trade rumors in the week since the Cleveland Cavaliers eliminated Detroit.

"You're talking about the guy that was our best and most consistent player in the playoffs," Dumars said. "He's probably also the guy that is the most volatile and crosses the line at times, but I have to balance that."

Wallace and Saunders have struggled to coexist the past two seasons. If that persists, Dumars insists he will not let that lead to the unraveling of the team.

"If we can't get it done, I'll make changes," Dumars said. "I wouldn't blink an eye about it."

The Pistons have received calls from other teams looking to make moves with major players, but Dumars said it's easier to talk about blockbuster trades than to pull them off.

"This is not fantasy basketball," he said.
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=2900797


Dumars compared the Pistons' position to the Spurs' last summer. After losing in the second round of the playoffs, some Spurs fans wanted general manager R.C. Buford to slash and burn. But the team returned largely intact and is now two victories from another championship.

Dumars also recalled the Pistons' 2003-04 championship season, when he spent the following summer ridding his payroll of Mehmet Okur, Mike James and Corliss Williamson.

His expects his work this summer to mimic both models -- he won't change something that he knows is still workable just to make a change. But he won't hesitate to do what's best, either.

"Change is always going to happen," Dumars said. "In terms of 'breaking up' and 'end of an era,' when organizations decide to just go with the status quo, quit being proactive, quit being forward-thinking, then yeah, their era's over, or it never gets started. But that's not the case here. I'm willing to do whatever it takes."
http://freep.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070612/SPORTS03/706120378/1048/SPORTS

I can't think of anything NY has that Joe would want
 
this can't be life

LOS ANGELES - Chamique Holdsclaw, a six-time WNBA All-Star who re-signed with the Los Angeles Sparks in February, stunned the team by retiring Monday.

The 29-year-old forward had played in the Sparks' first five games this season, averaging 15.8 points, 5.6 rebounds and 3.0 assists.

Holdsclaw did not give a reason for ending her pro basketball career.

:o
 
PhoenixDark said:
I can't think of anything NY has that Joe would want
Check their roster again. Knicks have some good young talent in David Lee, Renaldo Balkman, and Channing Frye (Detroit seems to like jumpshooting bigs). That being said I'd have to check the RealGM Trade Checker for the possibility of Rasheed coming here.

EDIT: hard to make a deal like that work unless knicks deal a lot of their rooks or Jamal Crawford, and Detroit doesn't need him. There would have to be a third team.
 
BTW Shawn Marion is being shopped like mad.

http://www.realgm.com/src_wiretap_archives/46467/20070612/marion_trade_rumors_resurface/
Just like the Valley heat, Shawn Marion trade rumors again are prevalent before the official start of summer.

One scenario has the Boston Celtics acquiring Marion in a trade that would give the Suns the fifth overall pick in the June 28 NBA draft, center-forward Theo Ratliff (whose contract expires after next season and would provide $11.7 million in salary cap space) and guard Delonte West.

A league source confirmed Celtics coach Doc Rivers' interest in Marion, and Danny Ainge, the Celtics' executive director of basketball operations, has been a fan of the forward since being his first Suns coach.

The Suns' interest in such a deal is unknown. Coach Mike D'Antoni has said the Suns would not execute any move that did not make them a better team, and it is unlikely that a rookie, Ratliff and West would offset the loss of Marion. However, the Suns could pursue an affordable free agent such as Orlando Magic swingman Grant Hill to make up for that sort of dynamic in a Marion deal.

A trade is being considered because Marion, 29, will make $34.25 million over the next two seasons.

Hill had a relatively healthy 2005-06 season and averaged 14.4 points on 52 percent shooting. He could retire (he already works as an ABC playoff analyst) but might want a shot at a title if his role were substantial.

Hill just finished a seven-year, $92 million deal, so money might not be a big factor for Hill, who has never won a playoff series.

Marion's name also has surfaced in trade rumors with the Detroit Pistons, who would send forward-center Rasheed Wallace to Phoenix.

This idea would be conflicting for Phoenix. Wallace's skills are a good fit, but his on-court behavior contrasts with the club's emphasis on character.
 
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http://www.wfan.com/pages/482789.php

The basketball stuff is pretty good. Breen flipping other the Artest fight :lol
Celtics would be perfect for Marion--an awful team he can be a superstar on. Joe Johnson Redux. The Suns would be losing more than they'd be getting back in both deals, though.
Celtics would have Marion, Pierce, Al Jefferson, and Gerald Green. Hardly Joe Johnson redux. Plus, Suns free up scads of money to sign people. Suns want to be free of Marion's contract and they could easily recoup theil losses w/ the money they save.

The Rasheed thing makes them better against the Spurs-Mavericks in terms of matchups, but not as versatile. They'd need to sign one other guy.
 
Hey reilo, how's Jarrett Jack's defense? I heard the Rockets have been trying to acquire him and some of your other scrubs. If he can hold Chris Paul and Deron Williams under 30 points and 10 assists(lol Alston), then I want him.
 
The Frankman said:
Celtics would have Marion, Pierce, Al Jefferson, and Gerald Green. Hardly Joe Johnson redux. Plus, Suns free up scads of money to sign people. Suns want to be free of Marion's contract and they could easily recoup theil losses w/ the money they save.

Bill?
kidding

I'm not saying that the Celtics would be bad as the Hawks after Joe Johnson came over, but rather I get the feeling that Marion is looking to be the alpha dog and he doesn't really care about the quality of team, much like Johnson.
 
AstroLad said:
I'm not saying that the Celtics would be bad as the Hawks after Joe Johnson came over, but rather I get the feeling that Marion is looking to be the alpha dog and he doesn't really care about the quality of team, much like Johnson.
Ah, My bad. Marion in the East would be a beast though.
 
reilo said:
Uhm, yes Bill, they would have beaten those teams.
I think Simmons was right on the money that the league was total shit in the late 90s. Most "basketball fans" today are really just Jordaphiles in disguise and have magnified Jordan way beyond what he actually did. Jordan's myth has reached almost pre-HIV Magic Johnson proportions.

Remember the Bulls ****ing played the Utah Jazz in the finals. The same goddamn Jazz that were the whipping boys of the decent/good teams in the West for years prior to that. Suddenly an older Malone/Stockton became amazingly good because of Greg Ostertag (sp?)? Doubtful.

I think the 2001 Lakers would have handled the Bulls after Jordan came back personally. I even think this years Spurs would have won against them in a best of 7 series.

Pre-comeback I think the Bulls were actually pretty good and I am not going to get into which team is better because there is no rational way to argue it.
 
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