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[reilo]

Paxson too. Bargnani wouldn't have blinked in 30 Dimes' staring contest like Duncan II-hits-every-shot-he-ever-takes-cannot-be-scored-on did.

Call me when a 7foot European offensively minded perimeter player leads a team to win as many rings as a 7-foot power forward that affects the game on both ends of the floor.

If Roy is out I can see it. But I got to believe that Roy will be the true number one. LMA might touch the ball first (like the Karl offense of the 90s Sonics that Mac10 was in) but that doesn't make him a number 1..

LMA will lead the team in points scored and rebounds this year. Roy will be setting up and running the crunch time plays, of course, but by primary scoring option, LMA is it.

You ain't blocking that.

 

[Blackace]

LMA will lead the team in points scored and rebounds this year. Roy will be setting up and running the crunch time plays, of course, but by primary scoring option, LMA is it.

we'll see... I don't think he will stay the primary. But he will lead the team in boards. I hope he does turn into a force. And I have not seen as many games as you.. but from what I have seen, he doesn't have the tools to score through doubleteams like the great PFs (Webber, Kemp, Malone, CB) But he might prove me wrong. 1 on 1 he is tough

 

[Karakand]

Call me when a 7foot European offensively minded perimeter player leads a team to win as many rings as a 7-foot power forward that affects the game on both ends of the floor.

"Is this one of those... how do you say it... trick questions?"

Spoiler

Sounds like a self-fulfilling prophecy to me.

 

[reilo]

In March, when Zach Randolph was out with injuries and LMA became the starting PF, these were LMA's averages in 11 games when he had double-digit FGA:

32MPG
17.4PPG
9RPG
1.9BPG

11 Games.

Zach Randolph is gone.
Greg Oden is injured.

Do the math. I'm not speaking out of my ass.

 

[Kak.efes]

Whether the lakers trade Kobe or not, he's probably gonna opt out in '09, and Collangelo recently said he's planning on maintaining continuity until '09, when the raptors are projected to have close to twenty million in cap space that summer.

Kobe with Bosh, Bargnani and Ford would wreck the league.

 

[jordan0386]

Whether the lakers trade Kobe or not, he's probably gonna opt out in '09, and Collangelo recently said he's planning on maintaining continuity until '09, when the raptors are projected to have close to twenty million in cap space that summer.

Kobe with Bosh, Bargnani and Ford would wreck the league.

they still would have to play Boston, 4 times a year

would be good for the league though

 

[Blackace]

Do the math. I'm not speaking out of my ass.

11 games isn't much to bank a season on.. There has been many many 11 game players. Shoot even doing it for one year isn't that big of a deal ask Vin Baker, ask Stevie...

Not saying he will be a bust or anything...

Whether the lakers trade Kobe or not, he's probably gonna opt out in '09, and Collangelo recently said he's planning on maintaining continuity until '09, when the raptors are projected to have close to twenty million in cap space that summer.

Kobe with Bosh, Bargnani and Ford would wreck the league.

Kobe will not go to Canada. That is like giving away your money!

 

[Kak.efes]

Kobe will not go to Canada.

I know

Nobody ever wants to come to Canada except for soft Europeans.

 

[Blackace]

I know

Nobody ever wants to come to Canada except for soft Europeans.

just the tax is insane

 

[Kak.efes]

Tax is a non-issue, there are ways to get around the technicalities, legally, if your primary residence is located abroad (as in not in Canada), and you're not a Canadian citizen, while still being employed, and paid by a Canadian business.

 

[Karakand]

They don't make you pay taxes still? If you work in the U.S. you're supposed to pay taxes, even if you live elsewhere. Hell, if you're a citizen you have to pay taxes even if you aren't working in the U.S.

 

[Blackace]

Tax is a non-issue, there are ways to get around the technicalities, legally, if your primary residence is located abroad (as in not in Canada), and you're not a Canadian citizen, while still being employed, and paid by a Canadian business.

actually you are right! it is like 1% difference in Canada's favor! 48% tax vs 49% tax.. daaamn now I see how players like Kemp end up selling dimes bags in trucks..

They don't make you pay taxes still? If you work in the U.S. you're supposed to pay taxes, even if you live elsewhere. Hell, if you're a citizen you have to pay taxes even if you aren't working in the U.S.

he is right! and the NBA is giving tax breaks to keep franchise(s) in Canada.. MLB does it too..

 

[Kak.efes]

I don't know the specifics, I'm positive the players get taxed, just nowhere near the amount normally applicable in Canada. I remember reading articles where Grunwald (former GM) sent out letters to agents explaining it, in hopes of easing players concerns about playing here.

 

[Blackace]

I don't know the specifics, I'm positive the players get taxed, just nowhere near the amount normally applicable in Canada. I remember reading articles where Grunwald (former GM) sent out letters to agents explaining it, in hopes of easing players concerns about playing here.

I know the rate for being in the upper tier of taxes is INSANE in Canada..

 

[reilo]

11 games isn't much to bank a season on.. There has been many many 11 game players. Shoot even doing it for one year isn't that big of a deal ask Vin Baker, ask Stevie...

Yea, but these were 11 of 15 games in the month of March. This wasn't 11 games spread across the entire season. He would have continued on this path throughout April had he not been diagnosed with Wolf-Parkinsons and missed the entire month of April. He's healthy now.

And to even compared LMA to a knucklehead like Vin Baker is a slap in the face to LMA. Baker's problem wasn't his talent - it was his drinking and off the court behavior.

 

[Blackace]

Yea, but these were 11 of 15 games in the month of March. This wasn't 11 games spread across the entire season. He would have continued on this path throughout April had he not been diagnosed with Wolf-Parkinsons and missed the entire month of April. He's healthy now.

And to even compared LMA to a knucklehead like Vin Baker is a slap in the face to LMA. Baker's problem wasn't his talent - it was his drinking and off the court behavior.

It had a lot more to do than just his drinking. And I wasn't directly comparing them two... Just stating that your 11 games mean very little...

 

[Takuan]

Rockets assrape Pathanaikos 107-70, without T-Mac. Scola is a stud. Rafer shot 5-6. Rockets '07-'08 champs.

 

[reilo]

Q: What will we see out of Lamarcus tonight? Will he get a full run?

Jason Quick: I don't think anybody will see starter's minutes (30-35) tonight. Maybe one of the point guards will see a lot of run but I don't foresee Lamarcus getting up to 30. Part of that is because Nate wants to see Channing Frye. As far as Lamarcus' season he's going to be marvelous. I don't think the NBA realizes how good this kid is. He's got incredible work ethic. We've heard from Strength and Conditioning Coach Bobby Medina that Lamarcus is the best guy as far as getting in the weight room. After every practice this season Lamarcus has stayed after to shoot three-pointers. Over and over and over again from every side and angle he's shooting threes. He wants to make that part of his repertoire. I'm not sure he's ready to make it a part of his game yet but he's working on it. He's also working on the left hand. He's not ready on that yet either but when it goes in it looks pretty. He's the full package. He can shoot inside, outside, run the floor, he's a great defender, he can scramble and trap, block shots...the kid is destined to be a ten-time all-star. This is going to be his breakout year. He'll lead the team in scoring this year.

.

 

[topsyturvy]

oh shit, kobe just got a trade proposal from chicago!!!!

 

[Karakand]

If Kobe is traded to the Bulls I will not only grab my pitchfork and torch and demand Jimmy, Mitch and Dr. Buss's heads (and get them), but I will also put every Bull / Jordan fan on ignore here at GAF.

I'd prefer to do neither, but desperate times call for desperate measures.

 

[CB3]

link?

 

[Kak.efes]

The lakers can do worse, the bulls are loaded with talent, trading Kobe almost ensures you get Deng and another piece in return.

 

[Blackace]

The lakers can do worse, the bulls are loaded with talent, trading Kobe almost ensures you get Deng and another piece in return.

Bulls will give most anybody but Deng.

 

[BatiGOOOOOOL]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HDPljS7vVtE



Can't wait to see him with the Spurs. Who needs Scola anyway?

Spoiler

*bitter tears down my face*

 

[rc213]

The lakers can do worse, the bulls are loaded with talent, trading Kobe almost ensures you get Deng and another piece in return.

Kobe has been quite high on Deng, He would block the trade with the quickness if Deng is coming to the Lakers. Either way, GTFO Kobe! I hope they trade him and this franchise goes into a even worse tailspin and the fans stop showing up. SCREW YOU BUSS!!!

 

[woodchuck]

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honestly, i dont think lemarcus should be wasting his time shooting 3s. I don't really see the point. I want him to continue to develop a post-up game. That's how you become truly dominant.

 

[AirBrian]

link?

The only thing I've seen is in the Yahoo rumors. And these teams have been in the Kobe trade rumors section since start. Nothing really new here.

Kobe to Dallas, Chicago, Phoenix? Just not New York

Saturday, Oct 13, 2007 9:15 am EDT
Shawn Marion

There are well-founded rumblings that Los Angeles Lakers Kobe Bryant has his sights on the Chicago Bulls or Dallas Mavericks.

So, would a package revolving around Luol Deng, Ben Gordon, Kirk Hinrich, Tyrus Thomas and/or Andres Nocioni work? Could the Mavericks put together a workable deal around Josh Howard?

How about Phoenix (Amare Stoudemire or Shawn Marion)? Would the Heat give up Wade for a Shaq-Kobe reunion, creating new material for an episode of "CSI Miami"? And what if Kobe's advisers decided the only stage worthy of his dynamism is New York, and they threatened to veto every other potential deal in order to make it happen? If so, know that Isiah Thomas would offer his entire roster to do it.

Source: Newark Star Ledger

 

[CB3]

So, would a package revolving around Luol Deng, Ben Gordon, Kirk Hinrich, Tyrus Thomas

thats the trade that, if we HAD to trade him, i would want. Its the only way the bulls would get Kobe. you would probably look at a line up of

PG:Kirk Hinrich
SG: Ben Gordon
SF: Luol Deng
PF: Lamar Odom
C: Andrew Bynum

And a rotation of:

PG: Derek Fisher
SG:Mo Evans
SF:Luke Walton
PF: Tyrus Thomas
C: Kwame Brown

Its actually a pretty good line up from all sides. But the Bulls wont do it. Thats giving away your whole future for a player. Keeping Hinrich/Gordon/Deng/Thomas together could really pay off in a few years

 

[aznpxdd]

thats the trade that, if we HAD to trade him, i would want. Its the only way the bulls would get Kobe. you would probably look at a line up of

PG:Kirk Hinrich
SG: Ben Gordon
SF: Luol Deng
PF: Lamar Odom
C: Andrew Bynum

And a rotation of:

PG: Derek Fisher
SG:Mo Evans
SF:Luke Walton
PF: Tyrus Thomas
C: Kwame Brown

Its actually a pretty good line up from all sides. But the Bulls wont do it. Thats giving away your whole future for a player. Keeping Hinrich/Gordon/Deng/Thomas together could really pay off in a few years

ROFL, are you kidding me? That's Bulls trading away 60% of their starting line up, no GM is dumb enough to do that. Even if somehow Bulls offered the trade, Kobe wouldn't accept it - he already stated if after the trade Deng isn't on the Bulls, he's not going there. Plus, Kobe wants to win NOW, what's the point if the other team trade half of their starting line up for him - he'd be stuck in the same situation just with a different team.

 

[Ninja Scooter]

ROFL, are you kidding me? That's Bulls trading away 60% of their starting line up, no GM is dumb enough to do that. Even if somehow Bulls offered the trade, Kobe wouldn't accept it - he already stated if after the trade Deng isn't on the Bulls, he's not going there. Plus, Kobe wants to win NOW, what's the point if the other team trade half of their starting line up for him - he'd be stuck in the same situation just with a different team.

and hence the reason why Kobe is a moron. Any team he gets traded to is going to HAVE to gut their roster to get him, cause his ass makes like $20 million a year. He's going to be stuck in the same situation, he just wants to run to the east with his tail between his legs where a mediocre team can get you to the Finals (see Lebron) whereas in the West a mediocre team gets you a 1st round ass waxing. And unlike the situation with Shaq, there isn't the same kind of pressure to trade Kobe. He can whine all he wants, at the end of the day he's still going to play. Shaq had to be traded in order to get Kobe to resign. There is no reason to trade him for scraps right now. As Dr. Buss stated, it'll have to be an offer that blows him away, and any offer that is going to blow him away from the Bulls better begin and end with Luol Deng.

So stfu and play Kobe. You aint going NOWHERES! Dr. Buss has you for 2 years.

"2 Years I got you! You're mine!"

 

[Karakand]

Are there going to be any huge UFA in 2 years?

Well besides Kobe.

 

[Kak.efes]

Iverson, BD, Brand, Marion, Artest, to name a few.

 

[aznpxdd]

and hence the reason why Kobe is a moron. Any team he gets traded to is going to HAVE to gut their roster to get him, cause his ass makes like $20 million a year. He's going to be stuck in the same situation, he just wants to run to the east with his tail between his legs where a mediocre team can get you to the Finals (see Lebron) whereas in the West a mediocre team gets you a 1st round ass waxing. And unlike the situation with Shaq, there isn't the same kind of pressure to trade Kobe. He can whine all he wants, at the end of the day he's still going to play. Shaq had to be traded in order to get Kobe to resign. There is no reason to trade him for scraps right now. As Dr. Buss stated, it'll have to be an offer that blows him away, and any offer that is going to blow him away from the Bulls better begin and end with Luol Deng.

Yeah but the thing is since the outburst by Kobe earlier this summer, he has been pretty quiet about this whole matter. Buss is a moron to bring it up right at training camp/pre-season when Kobe is ready to play. Way to distract your whole team.

 

[Karakand]

I for one am shocked and amazed that Dr. Buss would do something stupid with regards to the Lakers. Shocked and amazed.

 

[reilo]

LMA: 29pts, 9reb, 3stl, 4TO, 10-18 shooting
Frye: 14pts, 6reb, 6-14 shooting
Joel: 6pts, 12reb, 4bs, 3 charges taken

Have fun with Zach, New York!

 

[Ninja Scooter]

Yeah but the thing is since the outburst by Kobe earlier this summer, he has been pretty quiet about this whole matter. Buss is a moron to bring it up right at training camp/pre-season when Kobe is ready to play. Way to distract your whole team.

nobody involved with the Lakers has had any common sense since like 2001 when the Shaq/Kobe feud first surfaced publically. I've just learned to accept this is the way we operate now. Lakers. We know drama.

 

[rc213]

Lakers 2008 We Don't Know Winning But We Know Drama!

 

[bionic77]

So stfu and play Kobe. You aint going NOWHERES! Dr. Buss has you for 2 years.

"2 Years I got you! You're mine!"

Lakers only have Kobe for one more year. They have to trade him at the end of this year to get something back for him. If they let him play out his contract he will leave and they will get nothing.

And I love the Lakers but Ninja is right about how stupid our organization has been since 2001. I am sure that somehow Jordan is to blame. First he gives Magic AIDS and now he breaks up the greatest dynasty since the Showtime Lakers?

 

[PhoenixDark]

Lakers only have Kobe for one more year. They have to trade him at the end of this year to get something back for him. If they let him play out his contract he will leave and they will get nothing.

And I love the Lakers but Ninja is right about how stupid our organization has been since 2001. I am sure that somehow Jordan is to blame. First he gives Magic AIDS and now he breaks up the greatest dynasty since the Showtime Lakers?

Kobe's selfish ass is responsible for that

 

[Karakand]

I don't really see the obsession with getting value for him. We all know value is a bunch of bloated, long and otherwise shit contracts for third or fourth options.

 

[Blackace]

I don't really see the obsession with getting value for him. We all know value is a bunch of bloated, long and otherwise shit contracts for third or fourth options.

Because if you are going to blow up the team. You might as well get as many moveable parts as you can. I say blow it up.

 

[Karakand]

Movable pieces like Brian Grant?

Cap relief > bunch of third rate overpaid scrubs

 

[Ninja Scooter]

Kobe's selfish ass is responsible for that

no he's not. Don't get me wrong, i dont' absolve him, but its everyone. Shaq for not being able to deal with someone taking some of his limelight. Phil Jackson for taking sides instead of trying to broker some kind of peace. Dr. Buss for letting everything get as bad as it did. Ever since then the franchise has been a circus.

 

[Blackace]

Movable pieces like Brian Grant?

Cap relief > bunch of third rate overpaid scrubs

If you get one good player and 2 players who are in the final year then you get relief... or you just buy a few players out..

 

[Karakand]

I'd be fine trading for a good player and a few expiring contracts.

But I know the Lakers will:
-Trade one of those contracts for a shit long term one for a shitty player.
-Re-sign the other shit player to a shit contract.
-Trade the good player for a shit contract.

 

[Kak.efes]

If the lakers can't get a really good deal, then they should consider letting Kobe walk in '09 , I don't know their cap situation, but if they're significantly under it's worth taking the risk. LA is a market players want to be in, and the Lakers are a celebrated franchise, it wouldn't be difficult to attract free agents, and '09 is packed with quality players finishing up their current deals.

You'd also be bitch slapping Kobe, win/win.

 

[Jamesfrom818]

As much as I like Kobe, I think we have up until the deadline to trade him. Unless this Laker team can finish the year 20-9, Kobe needs to be traded. I'd probably pick the Bulls because of all the young talent they have.

Lakers give:
Kobe
Cook
Vujacic/Farmar

Bulls give:
Hinrich
Gordon
Nocioni

Lakers depth chart

1: Hinrich, Fisher, Farmar/Vujacic
2: Gordon, Evans, Crittenton,
3: Nocioni, Walton, Radmanovic
4: Odom, Turiaf, Mihm
5: Bynum, Kwame, Mihm

Bulls depth chart

1: Duhon, Farmar/Vujacic
2: Kobe, Sefolosha, Griffin
3: Deng, Griffin
4: Thomas, Noah, Cook, Khyrapa
5: Wallace, Smith, Gray

 

[Karakand]

End of 2008/2009 season the Lakers lose:
-Kobe Bryant ($23,034,375 for 2009/2010, assuming he opts out)
-Lamar Odom ($14,559,000)
-Sasha Vujacic ($2,605,559) (I'm assuming the Lakers will be dumb enough to let the qualifying offer stand for that season)

The season before that (this one) they lose:
-Kwame fucking Brown ($9,075,000)
-Mo Evans ($1,500,000)
-Jordan Farmar ($1,009,560) (team option)

That's a lot of money if they play it right. See why I'd prefer cap relief over new players? Hello war chest.

P.S. Seems the details of the Mihm contract are still mum? Must be really, really bad.

P.S.S. WHY THE FUCK DOES BRIAN COOK GET A PLAYER OPTION? HE'S TERRIBLE.

 

[reilo]

End of 2008/2009 season the Lakers lose:
-Kobe Bryant ($23,034,375 for 2009/2010, assuming he opts out)
-Lamar Odom ($14,559,000)
-Sasha Vujacic ($2,605,559) (I'm assuming the Lakers will be dumb enough to let the qualifying offer stand for that season)

The season before that (this one) they lose:
-Kwame fucking Brown ($9,075,000)
-Mo Evans ($1,500,000)
-Jordan Farmar ($1,009,560) (team option)

That's a lot of money if they play it right. See why I'd prefer cap relief over new players? Hello war chest.

P.S. Seems the details of the Mihm contract are still mum? Must be really, really bad.

P.S.S. WHY THE FUCK DOES BRIAN COOK GET A PLAYER OPTION? HE'S TERRIBLE.

Do you really want to leave Buss/Kupchak in charge of signing free agents?

 

[CB3]

The season before that (this one) they lose:
-Kwame fucking Brown ($9,075,000)

Praise the lord