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Official 2007 NBA Playoffs Thread - In Memory of Agent Zero

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bionic77 said:
Coulda, shoulda, woulda.

I would argue Hakeem won rings with lesser supporting cast then Jordan and was more integral to his team's success. The Bulls were still a decent playoff team without Jordan. Take away Hakeem and those Rockets start to look like the Knicks.

Also, I have a feeling Detroit is going to take the series. Cleveland is going to sleep walk through game 6 and choke in 7. This is bad because it means Detroit is going to the finals. And neither team could beat any team in the West, except maybe the Lakers.

I'd love for you to be right, that would make "seeing history" more worthwhile (though I history for me was getting to sit by Craig Sager).

I tend to think Detroit would lose to the west, but only because at this point, San Antonio is the West. Detroit played great against Phoenix and Dallas (splitting both series and only losing to each team with Billups out). On the other hand, San Antonio worked us twice.
 
Kobe is still the better overall player. He may not be the best leader of the 2 and maybe that's why the Lakers fell apart for that stretch. Kobe thinks if he can score all the points, that shows he's the leader. Bron actually passes to his teammates for big shots. Granted they never go in, but it shows he needs them much like Jordan passed to Paxton and Kurr for big shots.
 
Kobe played the first half of the season passing to those scrubs for big shots. It worked for a while with 18 of the first 23 at home but when the injuries hit and the schedule got tougher, he had to pull them to the playoffs himself.

If being a leader is letting no-talent bums drag you into the lottery in a loaded conference, then no...Kobe's not a leader. He'll leave that to KG...
 
LeBron is better than Kobe at that same age.

The presence of Shaq allowed Kobe to get single coverage a lot of the time back in those days (this is also before Shaq turned into Jabba the Hut).

The only baffling thing about LeBron that I don't get is why he doesn't post up more. Given his size (he's way bigger than guys like Kobe and McGrady) he should really look to exploit other SGs/SFs in the post.
 
if the Cavs do make it to the finals, Bron is gonna guard Tony :(


He shut down TP every game they've played.
 
soundwave05 said:
LeBron is better than Kobe at that same age.

The presence of Shaq allowed Kobe to get single coverage a lot of the time back in those days (this is also before Shaq turned into Jabba the Hut).

The only baffling thing about LeBron that I don't get is why he doesn't post up more. Given his size (he's way bigger than guys like Kobe and McGrady) he should really look to exploit other SGs/SFs in the post.

The problem with that is that as soon as he posts up, he'll get double or tripled teamed. He should just do what worked in game 5, use his great speed and ball handling skills to break the defense down. Give the piston defense as little time as possible to react.
 
Cloudy said:
Kobe played the first half of the season passing to those scrubs for big shots. It worked for a while with 18 of the first 23 at home but when the injuries hit and the schedule got tougher, he had to pull them to the playoffs himself.

If being a leader is letting no-talent bums drag you into the lottery in a loaded conference, then no...Kobe's not a leader. He'll leave that to KG...

sigh...
 
Look what i just found. I totally forgot i got this jersey when i was in LA that year when he played for the Lakers. The great Cedric Ceballos is even representin' here in Germany :lol

 
jobber said:
Kobe is still the better overall player. He may not be the best leader of the 2 and maybe that's why the Lakers fell apart for that stretch. Kobe thinks if he can score all the points, that shows he's the leader. Bron actually passes to his teammates for big shots. Granted they never go in, but it shows he needs them much like Jordan passed to Paxton and Kurr for big shots.
Kobe's problem is he plays in the West where the teams are actually good. If LeBron gets to the Finals, the Cavs won't have a chance against the Spurs.

The Suns would have destroyed the Cavs in the same way they destroyed the Lakers. The Lakers are the only team that sucked in the West and they would have been a middling playoff team in the East (they would have been a good Eastern team if healthy).
 
the la times is reporting that the lakers are talking to the nuggets about acquiring marcus camby...for kwame brown? apparently the nuggets are looking to cut their payroll? but surely this is just mitch trying to rob another team, and he'll be taken aback when it turns out that they want odom or bynum
 
If Cavs hit the finals I would'nt doubt that they'd give the Spurs a run for their money.

You just never know what the underdog could do. Makes for great entertainment. Curious to see if James and Co. takes it to the next level were they able to get to the finals...
 
JavyOO7 said:
If Cavs hit the finals I would'nt doubt that they'd give the Spurs a run for their money.

You just never know what the underdog could do. Makes for great entertainment. Curious to see if James and Co. takes it to the next level were they able to get to the finals...

only chance the Cavs have in the Finals is if Lebron gets the Wade treatment.
 
pheeniks said:
Or if Duncan chokes like a certain other star in Texas...

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JASON QUICK

ORLANDO, Fla. -- The curtain was unfurled Friday on the spectacle that is Greg Oden and Kevin Durant.

In a surprise move, Oden and Durant -- the college freshmen who will be the top picks in the June 28 draft -- participated in extended portions of a two-hour workout to close the NBA's weeklong predraft camp at Walt Disney World.

Both players, who have been billed as franchise-changing athletes, took part in drills that involved dribbling, pivots and shooting, putting on a show that Blazers assistant general manager Tom Penn described as "jaw-dropping."

"You know, there ain't no question about those two guys," said New York Knicks assistant coach and former NBA star Mark Aguirre, who helped run the drills. "Greg Oden and Kevin Durant -- no one is even close to them."

Read the entire article. Jason Quick of the Oregonian is one of the best in the business.

Link
 
:lol Isiah started putting together offers for Kobe, including one that is comprised of David Lee, Channing Frye, Malik Rose and Jamal Crawford :lol :lol Imagine Isiah and Mitch negotiating with each other. Someone needs to tap their phones its probably pure comedy.

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"That... is my final offer."

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"..."

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"..."

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"LOL I should be arrested for this kind of robbery!!"

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"And i didn't even have to give up Stevie! Kobe i hope you can play center!"
 
Y'know, I'd like a link of that because Isiah has said for the longest time Lee would only be dealt in the right deal/for a big. So basically that Lee in a deal talk sounds like bull. What is more realistic is this:

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/b...007-05-30_isiah_drafts_a_familiar_plan-3.html

The Knicks will make a strong push to acquire power forwards Jermaine O'Neal, Pau Gasol and Kevin Garnett, but landing any of the three will be difficult. Thomas could also try to acquire Vince Carter - who is expected to opt out of his Nets contract - in a sign-and-trade, but a multi-year deal for an aging star coming off a poor postseason would seem to be exactly the type of deal Thomas should look to avoid.

Instead of overbidding (see Jerome James and Jared Jeffries), Thomas should follow the lead of his former teammate Joe Dumars, who made several shrewd moves to turn the Pistons from a playoff team into a contender. Dumars got Michael Jordan to trade him Rip Hamilton for Jerry Stackhouse. He found Tayshaun Prince late in the first round and then signed Chauncey Billups to the mid-level exception. To complete the team, Dumars traded for Rasheed Wallace, a power forward Thomas tried to acquire.

Frye, Rose, and Jamal possibly ... even the Knicks 1st rounder (#23), but Lee isn't likely to be dealt. Stevie on the other hand is being heavily shopped.
 
Michigan sports radio is on high alert lol. One of the reasons I don't like my home team is due to the arrogance the Pistons seem to project. This spirt was passed to them from the Lakers when they dismantled them a few years ago. Now it oozes through the team as well as the fans. Listening to sports radio just a week and a half ago it was clear the fans didn't respect the Cavs, and neither did the Pistons based on the lazy ass play. I remember hearing people saying Bron was nothing more than an overhyped scrub, or that certain fans would pick Sheed over Duncan any day in a draft:lol

There was a time when the Pistons' motto was simply play the right way, go to work, etc. Now it seems like it's "bitch to the refs". That's all the Pistons have done this series. It's as if they don't think any team can beat them without the help of the refs, so they take teams for granted. This lazy attitude has been there since the championship, and since Sheed's arival. Before that you didn't see the Pistons complaining about every call or harassing the refs. It's this "us against the world" attitude that is just poisoning the entire team, and honestly you gotta point the finger at Sheed. He's an extremely over rated player, rated near the bottom of PFs in terms of rebounding, points, and FG %. Yeah he was the final puzzle piece for the team, and without him they wouldn't have a championship or 5 Easten Conference finals appearences, but the dude needs to STFU and play the damn game.
 
It would also help if Tayshaun Prince would stop shying away from LeBron's drive and take a charge/knock the man on his @ss. The Detroit Shock w/ Laimbeer would've put James in the emergency ward.
 
The Frankman said:
It would also help is Tayshaun Prince would stop shying away from LeBron's drive and take a charge/knock the man on his @ss. The Detroit Shock w/ Laimbeer would've put James in the emergency ward.

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The Frankman said:
It would also help is Tayshaun Prince would stop shying away from LeBron's drive and take a charge/knock the man on his @ss. The Detroit Shock w/ Laimbeer would've put James in the emergency ward.

That video of Prince backing/running away with his hands over his face as Bron dunks is Carmelo-esque on the pussy ass meter. If that happened to me I'd run out the building in embarassment, never to be seen again.
 
http://www.nba.com/news/413597.html
Rockets Interested in Sonics' Lewis
Frank Hughes of The News Tribune reports, "The Houston Rockets intend to contact the Seattle SuperSonics to discuss a potential sign-and-trade deal for free-agent forward Rashard Lewis"

Lewis still deep down inside wants to play at home,make it happen Morey!


http://www.thenewstribune.com/sport...tory/76773.html
Rockets eye Lewis for Battier

FRANK HUGHES; The News TribunePublished: June 2nd, 2007 01:00 AM

ORLANDO, Fla. – "The Houston Rockets intend to contact the Seattle SuperSonics to discuss a potential sign-and-trade deal for free-agent forward Rashard Lewis.
The Rockets will offer forward Shane Battier and their No. 1 draft pick, 26th overall, in an attempt to lure Lewis home to Houston.

The Sonics say they want to re-sign Lewis, a one-time All-Star who has opted out of his contract, and they have the negotiating leverage to convince him to stay because they can offer a longer-term contract than any other suitor.

But the Rockets are hoping that they can cajole Lewis to leave the only NBA team he has played for with the enticement of being close to family and friends.

If the Rockets cannot land Lewis, they will consider offering Battier for Chris Wilcox, who thrives in up-tempo systems because of his ability to run the court. Wilcox could lose his starting power forward position in Seattle if Lewis and Kevin Durant, the team’s expected No. 2 overall draft pick, play together.

Hall of Famer Clyde Drexler, who works as a television analyst for the Rockets, has told team officials he has breakfast daily with Lewis and that he thinks he can help persuade the player to join a Rockets organization that passed on Lewis three times in the first round of the 1998 draft.

Drexler also has told the Rockets’ decision-makers he might be able to convince Lewis to leave the Sonics and take a shorter-term deal for the midlevel exception, though Houston acknowledges that is an unlikely scenario.

The Rockets had one of the best records in the league this season (52-30) but were bumped out of the postseason in the first round by the Utah Jazz, after which they fired coach Jeff Van Gundy and replaced him with Rick Adelman.

Now, Rockets general manager Daryl Morey is attempting to reshape the roster to fit the more up-tempo philosophies employed by Adelman, who led the Sacramento Kings to eight consecutive playoff berths with an exciting brand of basketball.

The Rockets want to keep Yao Ming and Tracy McGrady, but they are trying to put in place players who better complement the two All-Stars while fitting in with Adelman’s approach.

The Rockets plan to talk with the Minnesota Timberwolves about swapping veteran forward Juwan Howard for scoring point guard Mike James, who enjoyed two of his best seasons in Houston before going to Toronto.

They also are attempting to send the expiring contract of retired guard Bob Sura to the Golden State Warriors for little-used guard Sarunas Jasikevicius, a move that would save the Warriors almost $3 million.

But the player the Rockets really covet is Lewis because of his size, versatility and, perhaps more than anything else, availability.

Battier has fallen out of favor with the Rockets because he does everything well except score.

The Sonics in the past have expressed to Houston their admiration for Battier’s all-around game.

The Rockets hope that intrigue, combined with the enticement of another first-round pick in a deep draft, is enough to make the Sonics consider a sign-and-trade.

The likely only way the Sonics will consider a sign-and-trade, however, is if they fear they will lose Lewis in free agency and get nothing in return.

There are only two teams – Charlotte and Orlando – that can come close to giving Lewis the same financial security that the Sonics can offer. That is a fact Seattle will use as leverage in their negotiations with Lewis in July."


For Shane? oh noes I <3 Battier,but I'm not sure his style fits Adelman's.
 
yea seriously... that Prince guy looked like a little girl on that play where he ran away from bron.. GET DUNKED on .. dont run...

going to nyc to see this at the espn zone, i can only imagine the bron love out there tonight..
 
Malleymal said:
yea seriously... that Prince guy looked like a little girl on that play where he ran away from bron.. GET DUNKED on .. dont run...

going to nyc to see this at the espn zone, i can only imagine the bron love out there tonight..

Because Lebron is signing with the Knicks in 2011, amirite?

(:lol)
 
I'm surprised I haven't heard much from Webber in this series, I remember reading during game six of the Bulls/Pistons series, he said "ya'll aint taking my championship away from me" to the bulls bench, or something to that effect.

Cat caught his tongue? You're never gonna win a championship Webber, EVER.
 
Benjamin1981 said:
Look what i just found. I totally forgot i got this jersey when i was in LA that year when he played for the Lakers. The great Cedric Ceballos is even representin' here in Germany :lol


Somebody get this person a Nick Van Exel jersey. He can really rep the shitty Lakers teams of the 90s in Germany then!
 
Kak.efes said:
I'm surprised I haven't heard much from Webber in this series, I remember reading during game six of the Bulls/Pistons series, he said "ya'll aint taking my championship away from me" to the bulls bench, or something to that effect.

Cat caught his tongue? You're never gonna win a championship Webber, EVER.

How can you be surprised?

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Kak.efes said:
I'm surprised I haven't heard much from Webber in this series, I remember reading during game six of the Bulls/Pistons series, he said "ya'll aint taking my championship away from me" to the bulls bench, or something to that effect.

Cat caught his tongue? You're never gonna win a championship Webber, EVER.
ummmm . . . Might want to read this.
 
Second, I have learned that Oden's vertical leap was an impressive 12 feet, 2 inches. Blazers general manager Kevin Pritchard was astounded by this number. I asked him to put that into perspective and compare it to the Blazers other center, 7-foot-1 Joel Przybilla. He guessed that Joel would have a vertical of around 11 feet, 6 inches.

"Think about that. That means that standing on the ground, he can jump up and touch over the white square of the backboard,'' Pritchard said of Oden.

Or more precisely, think of a guy coming in for a dunk. Oden will be able to jump eight inches higher to block it than Przybilla, who in his own right is one of the toughest in the NBA to dunk on.


And speaking of right knee injuries, it may officially be time to start worrying (or rejoicing, depending on how you feel about the guy) about the availability of Darius Miles next season. It has been nearly seven months since his Nov. 14, 2006 microfracture surgery and he still hasn't been cleared to run. Let me say that again. It's been nearly seven months since his surgery and he still hasn't been cleared to run.

And despite the efforts of the team, which has hired the personal trainer who worked with other microfracture patients Jason Kidd and Amare Stoudemire, reports are that Miles is still badly out of shape.

http://blog.oregonlive.com/behindblazersbeat/2007/06/greg_oden_is_not_7feet.html

PARTY AT MY HOUSE AT 8 O'CLOCK! WOOOOOOOHH!!!!!
 
the nve lakers won a playoff series -- the kobe lakers haven't managed that yet. and they were a lot more fun to watch. i actually think those are some of my favorite laker teams -- i was too young to appreciate showtime, the early shaq teams made frustrating playoff exits, and i wasn't living in la for the shaq/kobe championships.
 
Important part of the article on C-Webb:

They are so self-assured because they have been in precisely this situation before. They have come back to win a series when down, 3-2, in each of the past four seasons, and they faced this exact situation against the Cavaliers last year in the second round of the playoffs.

"It's like deja vu right now," Pistons guard Chauncey Billups said.

Also Charles Barkley has said Pistons are fragile and will blame everyone else but themselves if they lose. He just said they'll get run out of the building.

All Detroit has to do is NOT FREAKING PANIC and actually play like they did in years past. And if Lebron is feeling froggy, hammer his @ss.
 
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