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Official Apple WWDC 2008 Thread (3G iPhone and...more?)

Individual Plan:
* $59.99 – 450 minutes/200 SMS/5,000 night & weekends/0.45 per minute overage
* $79.99 – 900 minutes/200 SMS/unlimited n&w/0.40 overage
* $99.00 – 1,350 minutes/200 SMS/unlimited n&w/0.35 overage
* $119.99 – unlimited minutes/200 SMS/unlimited n&w/no overage
* $20.00 per month for unlimited SMS

Family Talk (up to five handsets):
* $89.99 – 700 shared minutes/200 SMS/unlimited n&w/0.45 overage
* $109.99 – 1,400 shared/200 SMS/unlimited n&w/0.40 overage
* $129.99 – 2,100 shared/200 SMS/unlimited n&w/0.35 overage
* $169.99 – 3,000 shared/200 SMS/unlimited n&w/0.25 overage
* $219.99 – 4,000 shared/200 SMS/unlimited n&w/0.25 overage
* $199.99 – unlimited shared/200 SMS/unlimited n&w/no overage
* $30.00 per month additional for unlimited SMS

Confirmed: Unlimited 3G data access is included in the above rate plans.
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That cant be right?!?!?!?!

I have the 450min plan now for my iPhone:

$39.99 plan
$20.00 Unlimited Data
$59.99 total plan
$10.00 1500 SMS messages

So I pay $69.99 plus all taxes and what not for my current plan. According to the new 3G plan, I would be paying the exact same price of $59.99

I just hope they didnt get rid of the $10 1500 SMS message option and moved it to the $20 unlimited plan...
 
Kung Fu Jedi said:
No. It's $199. Period. I already have an iPhone, and I'm in the middle of my AT&T contract, but can still walk in on July 11th and get an iPhone.
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$199 is a subsidized price with a 2 yr agreement. If you've found a link somewhere that proves you can waltz in with your current iphone contract and buy a new 3G iPhone for $199, please let us know where.
 
bionic77 said:
I thought AT&T made no differentiation for prices between 3G and Edge. I mean their 3G coverage is pretty pathetic anyways.

I already get unlimited data for $20 and I will ask AT&T not to increase my rates and see what they say. I can always threaten to go to Verizon and they might just cave, it has worked in the past.
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I'm trying to confirm, but AT&T's site is all sorts of not working right now. My phone data plan for 3G is currently 40 bucks a month, though. I know that much, although I can't get specific information from their site at the moment, so I don't know if unlimited edge is the same.

EDIT: My phone is a smartphone, and it looks like they have their own separate data plan prices.
 
Robobandit said:
$199 is a subsidized price with a 2 yr agreement. If you've found a link somewhere that proves you can waltz in with your current iphone contract and buy a new 3G iPhone for $199, please let us know where.
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An AT&T spokesperson told us that current iPhone customers will be able to buy the 3G iPhone for $199 (no jacked up prices for existing customers), although they will need a new two-year contract on top of their current contracts. He clarified to say that if you are already in the middle of a 2-year contract with AT&T, it will start over upon the purchase of the new iPhone, and not stack on top of itself (we are awaiting 100 percent sure confirmation on this from within AT&T). If you purchased the original iPhone on or after May 27 and want to swap it with the 3G iPhone, you will be able to do so without having to pay an additional handset charge.
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http://arstechnica.com/journals/appl...e-sharing-axed
 
Robobandit said:
$199 is a subsidized price with a 2 yr agreement. If you've found a link somewhere that proves you can waltz in with your current iphone contract and buy a new 3G iPhone for $199, please let us know where.
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Apologies if I misspoke, but when someone asks if this is with "new activation" that implies that you have to be a new customer to get the price. That sometimes happens where a deal is only available for someone new to the service and not even their existing customers can get it at that deal. That isn't the case here.

Of course, if you buy the iPhone for $199 and unlock it, you are in a sense, "waltzing". Buy it from an Apple store and no one is the wiser. I have a friend who has been using his iPhone on T-Mobile for months. The same thing will probably be true with the 3G once it gets unlocked, although there are some issues with it working on other 3G networks.
 
Marty Chinn said:
As a Sprint user, let me say:

Goodbye Sprint
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that's odd...as a sprint user I don't see any real reason to make the jump to AT&T over this, with the instinct out in 9 days.

better network speeds + mms + video recording + interchangable batteries and mem cards are enough to keep me where I am, plus I have a damn good corporate discount through sprint still.

I was hoping for some better features from the iphone, but it looks like ill be renewing with sprint again for the near future
 
Can we get an up or down answer on this real quick:

I'm not paying extra money for 3G because it's not consistently available anywhere near where I live. Can I maintain my previous data plan and just ignore the 3G bullshit, or does buying a 3G iPhone immediately translate into an extra $10 a month?
 
Canada: Any official word on when Rogers will have their support go live?

Their website still has that "something really big is coming July 11th", obviously coinciding with the 3G release date.
 
yayaba said:
You'd be better off buying a secondary phone and swapping the SIM card when you want to tether. At least that's what I do.
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Ah.

I already have a phone that will tether, so I guess I can keep it if I end up getting an iPhone at some point. Obviously I'd rather have just one phone in rotation, but its not that big of a deal. I'll just keep it in my laptop case.
 
KyanMehwulfe said:
Canada: Any official word on when Rogers will have their support go live?

Their website still has that "something really big is coming July 11th", obviously coinciding with the 3G release date.
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Apple says it's coming out on the 11th in canada.

According to apple.ca, it's both Rogers and Fido (though they're really the same thing)
 
Kung Fu Jedi said:
Cost would be a good excuse. They're trying to drop prices remember? 32 GB solid state storage is still pricey.
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But hardly more than an extra 100$, so why not offer that and let the customers decide?
They're just artificially trying to create a market for the iPod touch, which probably has higher profit margins. Maybe they're unable to fit another flash-chip on the PCB, as was the case with the previous iPhone.
I'm terribly disappointed in Apple and feel the urge to write an angry letter to someone. A 32geebee iPhone would have made the decision so easy for me personally.
 
Kung Fu Jedi said:
Apologies if I misspoke, but when someone asks if this is with "new activation" that implies that you have to be a new customer to get the price. That sometimes happens where a deal is only available for someone new to the service and not even their existing customers can get it at that deal. That isn't the case here.

Of course, if you buy the iPhone for $199 and unlock it, you are in a sense, "waltzing". Buy it from an Apple store and no one is the wiser. I have a friend who has been using his iPhone on T-Mobile for months. The same thing will probably be true with the 3G once it gets unlocked, although there are some issues with it working on other 3G networks.
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Sweet. I'm very glad to be wrong.

I'm happy with ATT, I just didn't want to be unable to buy the iPhone for the cheaper price because of my current contract.

Unfortunately the apple store route isn't an option for me since I don't have one close by.
 
I hope AT&T doesn't give me much of a problem. I'll be switching from an 8525 to an iPhone. I think I might be in some trouble because my current phone plan costs more than the iPhone plan would.
 
Manmademan said:
that's odd...as a sprint user I don't see any real reason to make the jump to AT&T over this, with the instinct out in 9 days.

better network speeds + mms + video recording + interchangable batteries and mem cards are enough to keep me where I am, plus I have a damn good corporate discount through sprint still.

I was hoping for some better features from the iphone, but it looks like ill be renewing with sprint again for the near future
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I like Sprint and all, but I've been waiting to jump on an iPhone since they first announced it. I also commited myself not to get the first revision as I knew there would be issues and better features that would make the 2nd revision much more worth while. Sure I know things change all the time but I rarely buy first generation of new technology.

I am aware of the new Samsung Instinct and have looked into it. Every video I've seen makes the interface look a bit sluggish. Every video I've seen doesn't show off the web browser except for a split second. It surely looks interesting and it really is the first phone in years that has caught my interest. Sprint phones sure have sucked the last few years. However, I really don't think the interface and usability is going to match up to the iPhone from what I've seen so far. Sure on paper it sounds good, but I think in actual practice I'll just find it lacking. I'm not 100% sold on the iPhone, but I'm pretty much ready to jump ship. Sprint is lucky that the Instinct is launching first so I can check it out, but I'm not holding my breath. I also know I'm going to be paying more money because I'm currently on a family plan that I will be splintering off from and now have to pay significantly more so that is how much it looks like its worth it to me.

There have always been three factors that have been extremely important to me:

1) Visual Voice Mail
2) Real Internet Browser
3) Applications

Now the Instinct surprisingly has visual voice mail but we don't know to what extent the functionality will be. The browser I mentioned above. The applications I just highly doubt it's going to stack up to what is going on with the iPhone SDK. I don't care about texting so I clearly don't care about MMS. I don't care about video recording as I have a good digital camera that will take care of that if I want on the fly video taking. I do care about the battery so that's one plus. I also care about capacity and that is a problem with the Instinct. It maxes out at 8 gigs according to the site. I'm getting 16 gigs right off the bat with the iPhone. The Instinct is certainly interesting, but nothing about it is compelling enough for me to stay at this point.
 
White Man said:
EDIT: My phone is a smartphone, and it looks like they have their own separate data plan prices.
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I thought they reduced the rates from $40 to $20 a few months ago?

At least they did for me. I have a ghetto Nokia E61i and I only pay $20 for unlimited data. My SIM card also says 3G on it as well even though my phone doesn't actually support it.

Their plans are confusing though. It used to be $40 for smartphones and $20 for some other kind of phone that essentially did the exact same thing.
 
I just saw this on engadget. Not sure if it was posted in this thread, but I think this is cool.

http://www.engadget.com/2008/06/09/tomtom-already-has-iphone-navigation-software-ready-to-roll/

6-9-08-tomtom-iphone2.jpg


That sound you hear is the not-yet-released nüvifone trembling in fear, as TomTom has just announced that an iPhone-ready version of its famed navigation software is practically ready to rock 'n roll. More specifically, a TomTom spokesman was quoted as saying that its "navigation system runs on the iPhone already," and he made the statement hot on the heels of the iPhone 3G announcement. Sadly, he wouldn't disclose an estimated release date for the software, but it's safe to say that the TomTom touch could make Apple's darling a formidable nüvifone opponent.
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Individual Plan:
* $59.99 – 450 minutes/200 SMS/5,000 night & weekends/0.45 per minute overage
* $79.99 – 900 minutes/200 SMS/unlimited n&w/0.40 overage
* $99.00 – 1,350 minutes/200 SMS/unlimited n&w/0.35 overage
* $119.99 – unlimited minutes/200 SMS/unlimited n&w/no overage
* $20.00 per month for unlimited SMS

Family Talk (up to five handsets):
* $89.99 – 700 shared minutes/200 SMS/unlimited n&w/0.45 overage
* $109.99 – 1,400 shared/200 SMS/unlimited n&w/0.40 overage
* $129.99 – 2,100 shared/200 SMS/unlimited n&w/0.35 overage
* $169.99 – 3,000 shared/200 SMS/unlimited n&w/0.25 overage
* $219.99 – 4,000 shared/200 SMS/unlimited n&w/0.25 overage
* $199.99 – unlimited shared/200 SMS/unlimited n&w/no overage
* $30.00 per month additional for unlimited SMS

Confirmed: Unlimited 3G data access is included in the above rate plans.
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That cant be right?!?!?!?!

I have the 450min plan now for my iPhone:

$39.99 plan
$20.00 Unlimited Data
$59.99 total plan
$10.00 1500 SMS messages

So I pay $69.99 plus all taxes and what not for my current plan. According to the new 3G plan, I would be paying the exact same price of $59.99

I just hope they didnt get rid of the $10 1500 SMS message option and moved it to the $20 unlimited plan...


Anyone have any ideas????
 
claviertekky said:
So no iphone for pay as you go users?

If so, then :(.
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The lower class beggars don't deserve the Iphone. AT&T spits on you. You can always get an EDGE enabled sidekick with T-mobile though, on prepaid. :lol
 
aparisi2274 said:
That cant be right?!?!?!?!

I have the 450min plan now for my iPhone:

$39.99 plan
$20.00 Unlimited Data
$59.99 total plan
$10.00 1500 SMS messages

So I pay $69.99 plus all taxes and what not for my current plan. According to the new 3G plan, I would be paying the exact same price of $59.99

I just hope they didnt get rid of the $10 1500 SMS message option and moved it to the $20 unlimited plan...


Anyone have any ideas????
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Wait, that chart you posted, are you telling me that my net cost for me and my wife on a family plan with two iPhones is $89.99 + tax?
 
10.6 has Full Exchange 2007 support, which is fascinating as posted earlier in this thread. I can now make public my belief that Office 2008 will be the last one made for the Mac.
 
Moneyhats2k5 said:
The lower class beggars don't deserve the Iphone. AT&T spits on you. You can always get an EDGE enabled sidekick with T-mobile though, on prepaid. :lol
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Gah... if only I could use the Sprint Sero plan ($30/month with voice and unlimited data @ 3G) with an iPhone, but too bad Sprint has their phones locked to CDMA. Although some of their phones come with both CDMA and GSM, the GSM feature has no SIM card since it's used when business people travel abroad.
 
Moneyhats2k5 said:
The lower class beggars don't deserve the Iphone. AT&T spits on you. You can always get an EDGE enabled sidekick with T-mobile though, on prepaid. :lol
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a friend of a friend of mine actually went back to a sidekick after getting an iphone, she said it was .. and i quote "wack"

complained about no IM and no KB
 
bionic77 said:
I thought they reduced the rates from $40 to $20 a few months ago?

At least they did for me. I have a ghetto Nokia E61i and I only pay $20 for unlimited data. My SIM card also says 3G on it as well even though my phone doesn't actually support it.

Their plans are confusing though. It used to be $40 for smartphones and $20 for some other kind of phone that essentially did the exact same thing.
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If they did, it didn't happen for me. Looking at the website, it's impossible to find any information that appears to make any sense. I also signed up for it with a promotion, so it's possible I am locked into a price or whatever. Like I said, I am using a PDA/Smartphone, so that might also have me in a pricier package.
 
Confirm no new features in OSX 10.6, but this is misleading because of brand new stack. But they will add direct exchange to mail iCal and contacts. Exchange server 2007. Snow ships in 2009.

The stack changes are enormous. Performance implications are very significant. All of the stuff that people were talking about with PhysX and all of those other APIs are coming to the entire OS through an API OpenCL. This is a very significant change that will hit the ObjectiveC language, the OS runtime, and also some of the other tools in the chain. I can say that it makes multicore programming stupidly easy on the surface.

More on that later, but the short of it is apple will master coding on multicore in a way Sony failed.
 
Marty Chinn said:
I am aware of the new Samsung Instinct and have looked into it. Every video I've seen makes the interface look a bit sluggish. Every video I've seen doesn't show off the web browser except for a split second. It surely looks interesting and it really is the first phone in years that has caught my interest.
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the only video that exists of the instinct so far are from beta units circa april or so. the hardware was far from final. that being said I most certainly will test some units out before making the plunge.

Sprint phones sure have sucked the last few years.
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in general this is true but I've been pretty
impressed with both the PPC-6700 (which I own and am using now) as well as the HTC mogul, which my roomie bought after seeing my unit. as long as the instinct compares favorably to those two ill be happy :)

There have always been three factors that have been extremely important to me:

1) Visual Voice Mail
2) Real Internet Browser
3) Applications

Now the Instinct surprisingly has visual voice mail but we don't know to what extent the functionality will be. The browser I mentioned above. The applications I just highly doubt it's going to stack up to what is going on with the iPhone SDK. I don't care about texting so I clearly don't care about MMS. I don't care about video recording as I have a good digital camera that will take care of that if I want on the fly video taking. I do care about the battery so that's one plus. I also care about capacity and that is a problem with the Instinct. It maxes out at 8 gigs according to the site. I'm getting 16 gigs right off the bat with the iPhone. The Instinct is certainly interesting, but nothing about it is compelling enough for me to stay at this point.
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the visual voicemail aspect is impressive and I'm looking forward to it. my primary concern is data speed and as far as I've been able to determine,AT&Ts implementation of 3G is going to be slower than the EVDO revision A that the instinct is using...hell it might even be inferior to the speeds I'm getting out of the 6700 right now.

as for the memory card..yes it maxes at 8 gigs, but I can always grab additional or higher capacity cards when they're available. I have an 8 gig ipod at the moment and struggle to fill it so I don't see this being an issue anytime soon.
 
Phoenix said:
Confirm no new features but this is misleading because of brand new stack. But they will add direct exchange to mail iCal and contacts. Exchange server 2007. Snow ships in 2009.
The stack changes are enormous.

Opencl in particular. More on that later, but the short of it is apple will master coding on multicore in a way Sony failed.
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So nothing different from the Press Release? Did they show it at all? Any GUI changes?
Did they give out betas?
 
GamePnoy74 said:
I found this AT&T iPhone 3G service pricing info on ZDNet, is this correct?

http://blogs.zdnet.com/Apple/?p=1843

If so, I'm considering to do the iPhone 3G 700-minute $90/month Family Talk plan for my wife and I.
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How can this be? ATT's cheapest family talk plan now is 109.99. Going to 89.99 with voice and 3g (even for meager amount of minutes) would be a great deal. And those don't happen in real life!
 
infiniteloop said:
So nothing different from the Press Release? Did they show it at all? Any GUI changes?
Did they give out betas?
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Beta is available at the show. No known visual changes and not many expected because they are going for no new features on that release. Its really about security and plumbing just like the rumors say.
 
Manmademan said:
the only video that exists of the instinct so far are from beta units circa april or so. the hardware was far from final. that being said I most certainly will test some units out before making the plunge.
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Ya, they were from April and I understand they weren't final units, but I would have thought if the thing is launching in June, that the hardware is pretty final and that it was more of a software issue if anything. Even then, being that close to release, I would have hoped it would have at least looked more responsive. I still acknowledge that it wasn't final, and that anything could change. I'm just more hesitant.

the visual voicemail aspect is impressive and I'm looking forward to it. my primary concern is data speed and as far as I've been able to determine,AT&Ts implementation of 3G is going to be slower than the EVDO revision A that the instinct is using...hell it might even be inferior to the speeds I'm getting out of the 6700 right now.

as for the memory card..yes it maxes at 8 gigs, but I can always grab additional or higher capacity cards when they're available. I have an 8 gig ipod at the moment and struggle to fill it so I don't see this being an issue anytime soon.
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I just hope Sprint's visual voice mail is comparable to the functionality of the iPhone. Visual Voice Mail has always been a huge priority for me. As for net speed, since I don't have net on my phone, anything that's decent is going to be good for me. It's much faster than Edge and that's good.

On the memory card front, I honestly don't want to have to deal with swapping flash cards. I don't do it on my PSP, I don't want to do it on my phone. I like being able to upgrade it, but when its in, I don't want to constantly swap. I've got a 40 gig iPod and while its nowhere near filled, it is definitely over the 8 gig limit. I was hoping for a 32 gig iPhone but I think I can live with 16 gig. Plus you have to factor my iPod was only music. Now with the iPhone I have the addition of video and applications. Applications I bet will be a significant space consumer. So I don't see 8 gigs as cutting it.
 
Next sessions are largely NDA'd so GAF I'm afraid that I won't be getting you anything else. I will respect that NDA as you know :)
 
So, I'm growing more and more confused on this front: after these announcements, which of them are applicable to the iPod Touch? I've always kind of thought that the Touch was just an iPhone without the phone, but is this changing that in any ways? I have no use for the phone, really, and with the student iPod rebate deal am considering a touch more carefully. On top of that, as well, is the question of whether there will have to be at least some sort of price drop on the Touch, although that seems unlikely until the student rebate is over, and will likely come with upgrades in September (Probably dumping the 8GB touch in favour of 16 at the lower price).

Any help would be appreciated, this potential purchase just keeps getting more complicated.
 
Does iPhone 3G have an SD expansion slot so I can at least try to make up for the missing 16GB that should fucking be there?
 
Cool, my wife gets a nice monthly rate discount.

Right now we get 1400 family/n&w/unlimited SMS and 750 rollover minutes a month for 119$. (currently have almost 5K rollover minutes, I work as a contractor, so my phone usage can vary from 1000-2000 minutes a month alone, not including the wife's)

I would so jump on that: $109.99 – 1,400 shared/200 SMS/unlimited n&w/0.40 overage.
Add in my wife's discounts, and unlimited SMS and it should be around 100$ as well.

Nice, time to get an iPhone.
 
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