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[hirokazu]

Fuck, $199 (no strings attached? prolly not) is pretty damn hard to beat...

An Indian Vodafone rep called me about a month ago basically advertising the current deals they have on phones if I renewed my contract. I told him I would probably wait for the 3G iPhone and see what happens then, and he said the 3G iPhone would pretty much only be offered on the premium plans.

I can't vouch for how much he knew about Vodafone's plans for it, but even if he was taking a guess, I think he wouldn't be far off. I really doubt they'll offer it with no strings attached in Australia. The Apple site seems to confirm this, you can't buy the phone except from Optus or Vodafone retailers, with a plan, no doubt.

Unless they're omitting the fact that you can buy it from Apple Store when it opens, the only way to get it for $200/$300 is probably to import from America and unlock it.

It looks exactly like the black one from the front.

Yeah, that's why the white one is fucking shit :lol

 

[6.8]

Seems like MobileMe is really overpriced, especially if you are a heavy Google App user.

Some guy had worked told me it was free.... Then I read this thread. What a letdown.

 

[Matix]

So what iPhone speculations are spreading for next years inevitable upgrade. Wimax capabilities, 800x480 display, video conferencing or the possibility of a totally new revision?

 

[pizzaguysrevenge]

How much is it gonna be for unlimited text?

And when can I get one without having to camp out and/or fight for it?

 

[TheGreatDave]

That o2 deal is pretty tempting. I'm locked in with Orange for awhile but I think I may move over if they have unlimited internet at £35 a month.

 

[Darkflight]

O2 UK have unveiled their pricing structure: https://www.o2.co.uk/iphone

8GB is £99 on <£35 tariffs, and free on anything above.

The biggest deal is that O2 UK have it as 'Coming Soon to Pay & Go'

Pay as you Go? Oh, it is so mine.

 

[Ghost]

Wow this conference has got me really excited.

Spoiler

For Android.

 

[Kung Fu Jedi]

So what iPhone speculations are spreading for next years inevitable upgrade. Wimax capabilities, 800x480 display, video conferencing or the possibility of a totally new revision?

You can't be serious with this question right? The 3G isn't due out for a month, and you're asking what's going to come in a new version next year?? Really?? Already??

 

[Matix]

You can't be serious with this question right? The 3G isn't due out for a month, and you're asking what's going to come in a new version next year?? Really?? Already??

You can't be really surprised by this?

 

[kaching]

the problem (imho )is that early adopters bought a product that had inadequate features for a massive early adopter tax. The other issue I have is that the price is not cheaper, if you could buy an unlocked iPhone for the same 199 price then sure its cheaper. By tacking on 10 dollars a month to your bill they are making up any loss that the price reduction is giving you.

Are you one of the early adopters or are you just attempting to speak for us?

Name a product for which you won't be able to find somebody somewhere out there who will say it has "inadequate features" from there personal perspective. Just like other product on the market, the iPhone excels in some areas and is inadequate in others. It's all a matter of a person's particular use case for the product that determines whether the mix is appropriate for them. You're not in a position to speak for what makes a product overall inadequate to every possible user.

For my use case, I've gotten more use out of the iPhone in the 9 months I've had one than any previous cellphone or PDA. Dollar for dollar, it's money better spent on a mobile device than I'd say I've ever previously spent.

 

[Mr.Squirrel]

pff, @ 200 this thing is going to be the new standard. Who gives a crap about mms. And very few ppl are going to tell you the phone is a piece of shit for obvious reasons.

actually i had a chick (actually my current and former gf's too) LOL cuz my $400 phone cant send pics, but theyre free with contract phones can. this was before i jailbroke and installed swirly....now ima fuckin g!

 

[Shiggie]

actually i had a chick (actually my current and former gf's too) LOL cuz my $400 phone cant send pics, but theyre free with contract phones can. this was before i jailbroke and installed swirly....now ima fuckin g!

i don't understand what you're saying.

EDIT: if its mms thats the problem (I think) why not use email to do that?

 

[sw26]

Pay as you Go? Oh, it is so mine.

This. I don't use my phone enough at the moment to justify signing up to a contract, but if the new iPhone is available for a decent price on pay as you go my 4 year old rubbish mobile will be getting replaced at last.

 

[Danj]

Pay as you Go? Oh, it is so mine.

The Daily Mail was reporting that it was going to be £269 on Pay as you Go, but O2 haven't actually announced PAYG pricing yet so it's just speculation.

 

[sw26]

£269 on Pay as you Go

Ok, maybe not then.

:lol

 

[Mr.Squirrel]

i don't understand what you're saying.

EDIT: if its mms thats the problem (I think) why not use email to do that?

Because e-mailing to an mms address has never worked right for me. Majority of the time the message never arrives, or if it does it's days or weeks later. Then I'd have to ask every single person I want to send a picture to, who their provider is and figure out what domain to send it to. Doesn't fit into the whole apple ease of use mantra that makes the iPhone what it is.

I'm still hoping with the app store and SDK video conferencing, mms, and video recording is possible. I mean damn my old ass razor could do 2 out of 3 of those.

 

[Phoenix]

Stfu douchebag apple fanboy. Don't try so hard to jizz all over Apple. This conference was shit. Investors realize it (myself included). Stock price falls. Nuff said.

Wow... I'm so surprised by the investors here on GAF. Tell you what, you measure the value of the stock going forward. If you aren't buying AAPL right now, that says a lot about how much you really know. Apple stock has always ALWAYS been a day trade opportunity for ALL of their shows. About mid show it ALWAYS goes down as day traders cash in. The value of the stock during the show has NEVER been an indication of how good the show was or predicted anything about the future of Apple stock.

 

[StrikerObi]

I was thinking about upgrading to the iPhone 3G but reading Daring Fireball I realized that Gruber is right. Apple is going to do this again next year. They'll upgrade the hardware every year. If I buy one now, it'll just be outdated again in a year. I've still got a year on my AT&T contract, I think I'm going to ride it out and get the 3rd generation iPhone when it comes out next year, after my contract expires. The 3G and GPS are very tempting though... those location aware apps look amazing. I wonder how well they'll work with iPhone EDGE's crummy location technology.

MobileMe looks hot. I'm going to ditch my $120/year web hosting in favor of it. The over-the-air snycing is awesome.

 

[Jill Sandwich]

Just out of interest, who uses MMS here, and how frequently?

 

[LCfiner]

I was thinking about upgrading to the iPhone 3G but reading Daring Fireball I realized that Gruber is right. Apple is going to do this again next year. They'll upgrade the hardware every year. If I buy one now, it'll just be outdated again in a year. I've still got a year on my AT&T contract, I think I'm going to ride it out and get the 3rd generation iPhone when it comes out next year, after my contract expires. The 3G and GPS are very tempting though... those location aware apps look amazing. I wonder how well they'll work with iPhone EDGE's crummy location technology.

MobileMe looks hot. I'm going to ditch my $120/year web hosting in favor of it. The over-the-air snycing is awesome.

Well, of course Apple is going to come out with a new phone next year. Guess what, they're gonna come out with a new one a year after that, TOO. and another one after that. Are you never gonna buy one (assuming you want one?)

Don't confuse outdated with obsolete. Just because a new model comes out does not mean the old model stops working or is a piece of crap. peoplecan still use and enjoy the model they already have.

If someone is really waiting for a video conferencing camera, then, sure, they could wait. or a smaller phone for 100 bucks, maybe. but if the phone does all that you want right now, pick one up.

 

[Phoenix]

- GPS looks tacked on based on the demo video. Pulsing dot is nice and all, but no voice instruction and the same interface really make it look more like a fix to the oft-buggy Core Location that we already have.

CoreLocation isn't buggy - cell tower triangulation is imprecise, but there aren't any bugs in CoreLocation - and you only have CoreLocation if you have a device in developer mode. CL didn't show up until firmware 2.0.

- Camera still sucks. I really wish video chat could have made it into a ridiculously expensive version. I'd have bought it.

For all AT&Ts talks about having a competent 3G network, millions of 3G video chats would have melted the towers into the ground. Expect it when they launch their next version around 2010.

Mobile Me looks the same as .Mac, meaning 90% of its functionality can be accomplished with free services online that also work on all these platforms.

Unless you have a Blackberry Enterprise server or Exchange, it can't as there is no cloud to have stuff push down to you. At best you can push and have all your devices sync.

 

[Phoenix]

I bet they'll charge extra for GPS... Verizon does it. Also, it's $40 + $30 for the data plan, + ~$10 of taxes, + more for text messages (200 isn't going to be enough for me)... = $80-100 per month. Yikes.

I hope they drop the price/update the Touch soon cause I'd rather just get one of those and keep using my $50/month cell phone. I can use VZ Navigator for $3/day for the few times a year I need it.

Verizon and Sprint charge more for GPS because they are rolling the cost of a service they provide on the phone into a service plan. Apple is not doing this, they are simply providing the hardware and leaving it to software OEMs to pay the NAVTEQ royalty. This is smart in that it keeps the device cost down, doesn't require you to pay more money for GPS on your carrier, and yet you can buy TOM TOM or similar and install it on the device and get GPS support. You're still PAYING - but it will be in the TOM TOM price as opposed to a monthly thing.

 

[Kung Fu Jedi]

I was thinking about upgrading to the iPhone 3G but reading Daring Fireball I realized that Gruber is right. Apple is going to do this again next year. They'll upgrade the hardware every year. If I buy one now, it'll just be outdated again in a year. I've still got a year on my AT&T contract, I think I'm going to ride it out and get the 3rd generation iPhone when it comes out next year, after my contract expires. The 3G and GPS are very tempting though... those location aware apps look amazing. I wonder how well they'll work with iPhone EDGE's crummy location technology.

MobileMe looks hot. I'm going to ditch my $120/year web hosting in favor of it. The over-the-air snycing is awesome.

This same strategy can be applied to pretty much any piece of technology, whether it's from Apple or not. There is always something new coming down the line and at some point you jut have to jump in, assuming you really want the device.

I have the firs gen iPhone and love it. Don't regret buying it one bit. But I'm not sure if the upgrades this time out are compelling enough to get me to upgrade. I may wait for the 3rd Gen version to do that, but my iPhone is getting a heck of a great upgrade in July as well, it's just not 3G and GPS.

 

[Worm_Buffet]

actually i had a chick (actually my current and former gf's too) LOL cuz my $400 phone cant send pics, but theyre free with contract phones can. this was before i jailbroke and installed swirly....now ima fuckin g!

Surely you can't hold it against the iPhone that it doesn't provide the functionality for flirting with 15-year old girls?

 

[dskillzhtown]

Just out of interest, who uses MMS here, and how frequently?

When I had a phone that had it, I used to use it all the time. Taking pics of stupid crap or a hot chick or something like that and sending it to friends. Nothing serious, but like Sunday when I bought my puppy, being able to send a pic to all my buddies phones would have been cool.

It is not super important, but things like youtube and other things on the iPhone aren't exactly important either. Not sure when sending a picture with MMS became such a problem to do.

 

[Phoenix]

i dont see any other way but to skip this one also. i dont get why apple is limiting themselves to at&T?

Their only other option in the US would be TMobile because they are NOT producing a non GSM phone, probably for another 3-5 years. GSM is simply more prevalent in the world so they will produce a single device that they can sell all over the planet as opposed to making 2 devices and having 2 fabs and cert/support structures. Its common sense from a business perspective. Personally I'd love them to use Verizon, and that was Apple's first choice apparently - but that would be a HUGE impediment to having a cheap phone because now they can mass produce the hell out of it and ship it globally with no worries. Same device - everywhere.

 

[Tchu-Espresso]

Just out of interest, who uses MMS here, and how frequently?

Often enough to warrant it being there.

 

[Mr.Squirrel]

Surely you can't hold it against the iPhone that it doesn't provide the functionality for flirting with 15-year old girls?

Spoiler

then how else am i supposed to see innocent bush?

 

[Phoenix]

Damn some apple fans are snappy today.

Im the type of person who often likes to use their camera phone spontaneously and to send mms'. I dont know anyone that emails photos from their phone, or has ever done it. I could understand the email feature if the camera was of a standard that sending an mms would compromise too much picture quality to fully appreciate it, but the camera is still the same poor one they threw in ages ago, and they still didnt implement the ability to capture video or make a video call? These are basic features for years now to the point where it even feels weird complaining about such things in this day and age.

Well lets break it down quite simply because I have been an advocate of getting rid of both SMS and MMS since long before the iPhone age. You pay 0.10 to 0.25 cents per message to send out 255 characters for an SMS and a similar price for MMS. Or you could use publicly available network traffic to send out an nearly infinite (till you hit bandwidth cap) number of messages. Or with iPhone 2.0 you will use an instant messaging client written by someone with sense that can send messages to SMS services, send out pictures using the camera, receive messages via all the IM services, etc. You tell me which one makes more sense - it sure as hell isn't the SMS/MMS services unless you're a carrier raping your customer on fucking per-message charges because I tell you what, it sure as shit doesn't cost them even 0.01 to transmit a message across their network to your phone.

That has nothing to do with Apple, the iPhone or anything else. MMS and SMS are just stupid relics of an older age that need to be gotten rid of - period. Get a goddamn data plan and IM for your phone.

 

[Tobor]

This same strategy can be applied to pretty much any piece of technology, whether it's from Apple or not. There is always something new coming down the line and at some point you jut have to jump in, assuming you really want the device.

I have the firs gen iPhone and love it. Don't regret buying it one bit. But I'm not sure if the upgrades this time out are compelling enough to get me to upgrade. I may wait for the 3rd Gen version to do that, but my iPhone is getting a heck of a great upgrade in July as well, it's just not 3G and GPS.

The better reception from the plastic back is really compelling. I'd love to see some more confirmation of that beyond Gizmodo.

Keep this iPhone for another year, or jump? I have a month to chew it over.

 

[Phoenix]

Do any of yall think that the old iphone will still sell for anything jailbroke and unlocked on ebay?

For people in North Korea, China, and Russia I'm sure its a bargain

 

[Tobor]

Just to put things in perspective, the Blackberry Pearl doesnt do MMS either.

 

[StrikerObi]

Well, of course Apple is going to come out with a new phone next year. Guess what, they're gonna come out with a new one a year after that, TOO. and another one after that. Are you never gonna buy one (assuming you want one?)

Don't confuse outdated with obsolete. Just because a new model comes out does not mean the old model stops working or is a piece of crap. peoplecan still use and enjoy the model they already have.

If someone is really waiting for a video conferencing camera, then, sure, they could wait. or a smaller phone for 100 bucks, maybe. but if the phone does all that you want right now, pick one up.

This same strategy can be applied to pretty much any piece of technology, whether it's from Apple or not. There is always something new coming down the line and at some point you jut have to jump in, assuming you really want the device.

I have the firs gen iPhone and love it. Don't regret buying it one bit. But I'm not sure if the upgrades this time out are compelling enough to get me to upgrade. I may wait for the 3rd Gen version to do that, but my iPhone is getting a heck of a great upgrade in July as well, it's just not 3G and GPS.

You guys misunderstand me. I'm not regretting my iPhone EDGE purchase. I've had it since a week after launch and I love it. It's the best phone I've ever owned. It's certainly not a piece of crap, and it definitely looks nicer than the iPhone 3G (aluminum > plastic). The fact that the 3G model is the same processor-wise (and just packs in some more features) means my iPhone is hardly obsolete.

I agree with you Kung Fu Jedi, apart from the 3G and GPS, all the other upgrades are software, and I'm getting those. I'm on WiFi 80% of the time (at home and at the office) so the 3G support is nice but not a big deal to me. The GPS is really nice though, esp with those location aware apps like Loopt. To me it all comes down to how well the location-based apps work with Triangulation as opposed to GPS (or if they work at all), and how well MobileMe works over EDGE (I imagine it'll be fine). I think I'll be able to stick it out. I would much rather wait a year and get a brand new contract with AT&T than add two years on to my current one. I don't like the idea of being locked in for so long, would rather have the option to jump ship or re-sign in a year.

Just to put things in perspective, the Blackberry Pearl doesnt do MMS either.

True, but the Blackberry is a business phone, even if the Pearl does sort of straddle the business/consumer line. Business customers probably don't use MMS very much. I don't expect it to do MMS. The iPhone has clearly defined itself as the phone for the web 2.0 world and the people in that market want to send photos to each other.

Really, MMS and copy/paste not showing up at WWDC is kind of a shocker to me. Steve was talking about all these things people have been clamoring for since day 1 (3G, GPS, battery life, etc) and totally skipped over two of the biggest complaints, both of which should be very easy to solve!

Also, FairPlay DRM on Apps makes me a sad panda. I wonder if developers have the option to chose not to DRM their apps (at least the free ones, what's the point of DRM on those!?).

 

[Matix]

Maybe I missed this earlier, but will the firmware 2.0 update launch simultaneously with the iPhone-3G (possibly pre-installed on the new devices)?

 

[Danj]

Ok, maybe not then.

:lol

I said that's what the Daily Mail are reporting. O2 haven't officially announced a PAYG price yet, but you can be sure it'll be a heck of a lot more than £99.

 

[Duane Cunningham]

Hey guys, I've skimmed through the last few pages, but I need a clarification: do we know for sure that the 3G iPhone will be sold contract-only in the US, or is that just speculation?

 

[Kung Fu Jedi]

The better reception from the plastic back is really compelling. I'd love to see some more confirmation of that beyond Gizmodo.

Keep this iPhone for another year, or jump? I have a month to chew it over.

I agree on the possibility of better reception and better audio as well. Those have my attention and it'll be interesting to see how they play out in the real world. If they are significantly better, it may get me to re-think at some point. I'm not all that hyped for July 11th at this point though. Except for the firmware upgrade!

Phoenix: Careful! You may get Nick upset if you keep posting at this high rate.

 

[Phoenix]

Fun thread, a few thoughts:
The iPhone's only been out for one year. Outside of one or two major enhancements I wasn't expecting much, I don't know what the hell you lot were expecting. The thing about Apple: Never believe the rumors; that ship is locked up as tight as Nintendo. If something true escapes, there's a very good chance it was because Apple wanted you to know.

There are the occasional leaks by people who have key information who should know better, but Apple has gotten pretty good and hunting those people down. Their legal department has people JUST for that task.

Also: Jesus, people. It's WWDC. The "D" is for "Developer." If you thought the keynote was boring, well, to paraphrase Penny Arcade: "It wasn't for you."

EXACTLY. I'm a developer... well, I still write code - the keynote was VERY interesting and exciting for me s it was to the audience that was there who were - DEVELOPERS. Its amazing why people listen to a developer keynote if they don't know what they hell they are listening to. Its insanity!

Enterprise support: I suppose this is cool for people who want or need to be tethered to work 24/7. The Me functionality is honestly more intriguing. It's like IMAP for my life.

The one thing that people missed in the 'boring' parts of the keynote is that there are enterprise developers making all sorts of business solutions on the iPhone. The medical applications are just the beginning. By being tethered to a corporate VPN people can write real business applications for the phone such as POS, inventory, sales, etc. systems. The fact that many of these developers were in the audience should clearly illustrate to people just how far the phone is about to go. Apple is going to exceed their expectations in terms of applications penetration in the enterprise.

A killer app for this platform? Mobile iChat. Here's hoping for next year.

Nope, you'll see it in a few weeks. It may not be called iChat but it will be everything you expect it to be.

 

[hirokazu]

The better reception from the plastic back is really compelling. I'd love to see some more confirmation of that beyond Gizmodo.

Keep this iPhone for another year, or jump? I have a month to chew it over.

What do you mean? Steve Jobs said plastic back himself at the keynote if that's the confirmation you want.

Maybe I missed this earlier, but will the firmware 2.0 update launch simultaneously with the iPhone-3G (possibly pre-installed on the new devices)?

Yeah, all 3G iPhones will come with firmware 2.0 installed, obviously (what version did you expect it to have? ). 2.0 will probably be released for old iPhones around the same time.

 

[Tobor]

I agree on the possibility of better reception and better audio as well. Those have my attention and it'll be interesting to see how they play out in the real world. If they are significantly better, it may get me to re-think at some point. I'm not all that hyped for July 11th at this point though. Except for the firmware upgrade!

Phoenix: Careful! You may get Nick upset if you keep posting at this high rate.

You know what's going to happen though. Even if we hold out, some amazing app will release that runs like dog on Edge, or not at all. That will force my hand, I'm sure.

 

[Kung Fu Jedi]

You guys misunderstand me. I'm not regretting my iPhone EDGE purchase. I've had it since a week after launch and I love it. It's the best phone I've ever owned. It's certainly not a piece of crap, and it definitely looks nicer than the iPhone 3G (aluminum > plastic). The fact that the 3G model is the same processor-wise (and just packs in some more features) means my iPhone is hardly obsolete.

I agree with you Kung Fu Jedi, apart from the 3G and GPS, all the other upgrades are software, and I'm getting those. I'm on WiFi 80% of the time (at home and at the office) so the 3G support is nice but not a big deal to me. The GPS is really nice though, esp with those location aware apps like Loopt. To me it all comes down to how well the location-based apps work with Triangulation as opposed to GPS (or if they work at all), and how well MobileMe works over EDGE (I imagine it'll be fine). I think I'll be able to stick it out. I would much rather wait a year and get a brand new contract with AT&T than add two years on to my current one. I don't like the idea of being locked in for so long, would rather have the option to jump ship or re-sign in a year.

Ahh... yeah. I did misunderstand. I was thinking you were saying you skipped the first gen one as well, and were waiting for this one, and now you're waiting again, as the upgrade cycle will only continue.

In this case, I agree with you. There are some cool new things for the 3G iPhone, but not sure if they're enough to get me to bite right now. I may wait for the 3rd Gen version, as I'm perfectly happy with my current iPhone and the 2.0 update is going to be great.

 

[Phoenix]

Hey guys, I've skimmed through the last few pages, but I need a clarification: do we know for sure that the 3G iPhone will be sold contract-only in the US, or is that just speculation?

I can confirm that one for you - yes, you will need to go into the store and yes you will need to either get a contract or extend the one you're on to leave the store with it.

 

[Matix]

Yeah, all 3G iPhones will come with firmware 2.0 installed, obviously (what version did you expect it to have? ). 2.0 will probably be released for old iPhones around the same time.

Cool, wasn't exactly sure before since there was no specific date announced iPhone 2.0 official release (besides being available sometime in July).

 

[StrikerObi]

Maybe I missed this earlier, but will the firmware 2.0 update launch simultaneously with the iPhone-3G (possibly pre-installed on the new devices)?

They said 2.0 will be out in "early July". I take it this means that it will be out on or slightly before July 11. It will definitely be pre-installed on iPhone 3G.

Hey guys, I've skimmed through the last few pages, but I need a clarification: do we know for sure that the 3G iPhone will be sold contract-only in the US, or is that just speculation?

Contract only, and you have to activate in-store (10-12 minutes). Blame subsidies and re-sellers.

 

[VictimOfGrief]

Just out of interest, who uses MMS here, and how frequently?

Used to, I just email now w/ attachments. It's free.

 

[Phoenix]

I agree on the possibility of better reception and better audio as well. Those have my attention and it'll be interesting to see how they play out in the real world. If they are significantly better, it may get me to re-think at some point. I'm not all that hyped for July 11th at this point though. Except for the firmware upgrade!

Phoenix: Careful! You may get Nick upset if you keep posting at this high rate.

:lol, well I'm just catching up from yesterday and about to head out to the show so I wanted to get my "work" done before I get in another line for session

 

[sw26]

I said that's what the Daily Mail are reporting. O2 haven't officially announced a PAYG price yet, but you can be sure it'll be a heck of a lot more than £99.

Yeah I know it's not confirmed, I'm just saying I would have to really think about it if it turned out to be that price. £200 and I would have been there day one.

 

[Tobor]

What do you mean? Steve Jobs said plastic back himself at the keynote if that's the confirmation you want.


Yeah, all 3G iPhones will come with firmware 2.0 installed, obviously (what version did you expect it to have? ). 2.0 will probably be released for old iPhones around the same time.

Confirmation of better reception because of the plastic back. Gizmodo is the only one Ive seem mention it so far.

 

[artredis1980]

Notes

+GPS
+199
+299
+More free Software
- No Flash Support
- No Firefox Support
- Not as Revolutionary as Iphone 1.0
- everything in iPhone 2 already exists on other non-apple brand phones

 

[StrikerObi]

Notes

+GPS
+199
+299
+More free Software
- No Flash Support
- No Firefox Support
- Not as Revolutionary as Iphone 1.0
- everything in iPhone 2 already exists on other non-apple brand phones

Did you expect Apple to make a FireFox browser for iPhone? That's Mozilla's job...

I agree with everything else though, except for your last point. All of the things iPhone does existed before iPhone. The point is that no other device out there comes even close to matching the iPhone in ease of use, elegance, UI design, and the integration of all the parts (hardware and software) into the whole.