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[Kung Fu Jedi]

Engadget is reporting that the Australian Apple Store posted a June 27th date for the launch of the App Store. Sweet if true. Early presents for all of us. I'll be in the middle of the mountains in Montana at that point though, so I'd have to wait to upgrade anyway.

 

[Panajev2001a]

I've been playing with "Save as Web Application" for a little while now and it's pretty damn neat.

I wonder how this will compete with Prism (Mozilla Labs) once they are both out and undr a nice 1.0 banner :

http://developer.mozilla.org/en/docs/Prism

They seem to have had the same idea.

 

[dallow_bg]

We're talking about Safari 4 for OS X, not Safari Mobile.

Ah, my mistake.

 

[Gowans]

OK pak code got and time to change my T-Mobile N95 into a O2 3G iPhone next month.

A few things, in the UK any details on the unlimited 3G plan? and the ability to use the iPhone as a modem for my laptop. (windows).

Also on my n95 my most used fave tool is a wifi podcast downloader, I can download my fave podcasts on the go on my iPhone too yeah?

 

[Worm_Buffet]

A few things, in the UK any details on the unlimited 3G plan? and the ability to use the iPhone as a modem for my laptop. (windows).

According to this post on 9to5mac, the new iPhone will support bluetooth tethering.

 

[Nameless]

Well since The iPhone is now subsidized it should fall under AT&T's insurance plan right?

 

[Phoenix]

Well since The iPhone is now subsidized it should fall under AT&T's insurance plan right?

Good question, \but I'm not sure it does. There aren't any AT&T people here - no show floor. They didn't cover Treos and other smartphones for a long time and still don't cover some.

 

[Phoenix]

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Turning a blind to this as hopefully the admins are, because you're violating the distribution agreement by doing this and making GAF an accomplice.

 

[Kung Fu Jedi]

According to this post on 9to5mac, the new iPhone will support bluetooth tethering.

Wow! If that's true, that actually increases my interest quite a bit. That would be really handy.

 

[Phoenix]

According to this post on 9to5mac, the new iPhone will support bluetooth tethering.

Not sure if saying that they received a blank stare is the same as saying that it would be supported. I know that there is no access to the bluetooth stack from the SDK, no bluetooth games, no non standard accessories and no modem profiles. Not sure who is rolling the profile.

 

[Smiles and Cries]

You may be disappointed if you think unlocked 1st gen iPhones will sell for 100 bucks. Remember that 1st gen iPhones are the only ones out there that are going to be unlocked. All the new 3G models will only be sold with in-store activation.

As long as there are folks out there who don't want to sign a new contract but still want an iPhone, unlocked 1st gen iPhone prices will be comparable to the new 3G model.

does in-store activation mean no need for iTunes and USB2?

 

[Worm_Buffet]

Not sure if saying that they received a blank stare is the same as saying that it would be supported. I know that there is no access to the bluetooth stack from the SDK, no bluetooth games, no non standard accessories and no modem profiles. Not sure who is rolling the profile.

The blank stare was the response to Wifi-tethering. That doesn't instill much confidence in the rep though.

Maybe the implementation will be proprietary, and Apple aren't allowing others access to the Bluetooth yet.

 

[Kung Fu Jedi]

does in-store activation mean no need for iTunes and USB2?

Seems like it, although iTunes and a USB connection would be necessary to sync, add music/videos/etc., update the phone.

 

[Epix]

"If you haven't watched the keynote, just watch the 60-second version, and then go play outside for 142 minutes."

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[Phoenix]

Can verify that there are AIM, iChat, Myspace, etc. applications in development. Should show up at the AppStore at launch.

 

[Killthee]

Can verify that there are AIM, iChat, Myspace, etc. applications in development. Should show up at the AppStore at launch.

:O

 

[SnakeXs]

Can verify that there are AIM, iChat, Myspace, etc. applications in development. Should show up at the AppStore at launch.

Awesome.

Turning a blind to this as hopefully the admins are, because you're violating the distribution agreement by doing this and making GAF an accomplice.

Sorry. Consider it removed.

 

[dallow_bg]

Can verify that there are AIM, iChat, Myspace, etc. applications in development. Should show up at the AppStore at launch.

 

[SuperPac]

Can verify that there are AIM, iChat, Myspace, etc. applications in development. Should show up at the AppStore at launch.

Rockin'. I wonder if the Facebook app will include anything like the Loopt WWDC demo did. If it does, and you're able to see where your friends are (but hide from people you've only given limited profile access to), that would be way cool.

 

[Yamaha98]

Well since The iPhone is now subsidized it should fall under AT&T's insurance plan right?

AT&T (via Asurian Insurance) now offers handset insurance for all their models; including PDA/ Smartphones. It is still $4.99 a month for the coverage, but the deductible is separated by two tiers. Tier I = $50 (normal handsets/ Samsung BlackJack II is the only WM6 PDA in this category). New Tier II = $125 (for the higher end models that include Blackberry's, Palm's, HTC's, Pantech, etc).

This new policy was effective this month & is only eligible for phones purchased from during this period. As always, you have 30 days from the time of purchase to add the Handset Insurance coverage to your account.

 

[Macam]

Can verify that there are AIM, iChat, Myspace, etc. applications in development. Should show up at the AppStore at launch.

Just to add, I can verify that the MySpace app looks better than the actual MySpace page.

 

[Epix]

Can verify that there are AIM, iChat, Myspace, etc. applications in development. Should show up at the AppStore at launch.

How would iChat work with a rear facing camera? Would the iPhone just be able to watch a feed?

 

[Macam]

How would iChat work with a rear facing camera? Would the iPhone just be able to watch a feed?

I actually don't know offhand what Phoenix is referring to, but I can pretty much assure you that iChat != video conferencing.

 

[border]

Craigslist dude. Who uses eBay for such things?

People that don't live in major cities, or don't want to troll Craigslist on a daily basis looking for stuff. My Craigslist still has people asking well over $250, FWIW.

 

[Epix]

Rumor: iPhone App Store due on June 27th.

If you can stand to watch the soporific Keynote address for WWDC 2008—if not, go here—listen for the date the App Store will open. You will hear Steve Jobs say iPhone 2.0, SDK, and Enterprise stuff will be available in "early July"—but not the App Store.

A number of sites, including AppleInsider, are reporting on a rumor about the App Store opening on June 27. The source for this rumor was Apple itself: a short-lived graphic on the iPod Touch webpage for Apple Australia. The date listed there was June 27 (as you see pictured here). Further, according to Jacqui Cheng and Clint Ecker on the "floor" at WWDC, "multiple devs have told us that they were instructed (by Apple) to have apps ready by June 16."

While we know the iPhone 3G will go on sale on July 11, 25 days seems like a long time to wait to launch products that require no physical manufacturing. Not surprisingly, the offending webpage has been stricken from Apple Australia. That was to be expected, but without explicit confirmation of a date for the App Store and, presumably, an iPhone 2.0 update, it makes you wonder.

http://www.appleinsider.com/articles/08/06/11/apple_site_claims_app_store_launch_on_june_27.html

 

[Phoenix]

Rumor: iPhone App Store due on June 27th.

http://www.appleinsider.com/articles/08/06/11/apple_site_claims_app_store_launch_on_june_27.html

That would be kinda stupid since you need firmware 2.0 to actually use the apps, so unless FW2.0 is launching before the phone - not sure that makes a lot of sense.

 

[Kung Fu Jedi]

Are they really going to drop chat apps before the push server is available in September? I guess they just have it not function in the background until the server tech hits.

Also, Gizmodo explains how video chat is going to work, thanks to this awesome add-on from Apple! :lol

http://gizmodo.com/5015395/apple-introduces-iphone-3g-videoconferencing-kit-zomg

 

[Epix]

That would be kinda stupid since you need firmware 2.0 to actually use the apps, so unless FW2.0 is launching before the phone - not sure that makes a lot of sense.

Agreed. Still hoping for an early release of FW2.0 and iPhone 3G.

 

[kaching]

That would be kinda stupid since you need firmware 2.0 to actually use the apps, so unless FW2.0 is launching before the phone - not sure that makes a lot of sense.

Why not launch the firmware before the new model? FW 2.0 still has to run on existing models, so it's not explicitly tied to 3G iphone.

 

[SnakeXs]

I'm guessing they're gonna want 2.0 ready to ship the 3G iPhones with maybe?

Was that confirmed at all?

 

[gofreak]

Just a q, but what will stuff like MySpace apps do that access to the site itself via the browser wouldn't provide?

 

[kaching]

nevermind, straight from horse's mouth, FW 2.0 still on for July 11:

http://news.cnet.com/8301-13579_3-9966086-37.html?part=rss&subj=news&tag=2547-1_3-0-20

 

[GashPrex]

okay, i know this has been covered but can someone just summarize my options as an existing 8 GB, At&T iPhone owner to get a 3G iPhone? IE, price/contract/data plan costs

 

[Kung Fu Jedi]

okay, i know this has been covered but can someone just summarize my options as an existing 8 GB, At&T iPhone owner to get a 3G iPhone? IE, price/contract/data plan costs

Same as everyone else looking to buy. $199 for phone, new 2 year contract, plans are the same as now + $10 for 3G.

 

[Epix]

okay, i know this has been covered but can someone just summarize my options as an existing 8 GB, At&T iPhone owner to get a 3G iPhone? IE, price/contract/data plan costs

You can move to the new 3G iPhone and start a new 2yr contract fresh. The price for the new device is $199 for the 8GB and $299 for the 16GB (white or black). The data plan's are the same as the 2G iPhone + an additional $10 for 3G service.

 

[StrikerObi]

Just a q, but what will stuff like MySpace apps do that access to the site itself via the browser wouldn't provide?

Site specific interface without the need for tons of coding for Safari Mobile. Also, push notification for events such as getting a new message or friend request.

 

[border]

Is running a chat application in the background such a hindrance to performance and stability that they need to set up this whole separate "push server" situation? Doesn't every other phone get along without one?

 

[Macam]

Is running a chat application in the background such a hindrance to performance and stability that they need to set up this whole separate "push server" situation? Doesn't every other phone get along without one?

Short answer: Yes.

 

[mrkgoo]

Is running a chat application in the background such a hindrance to performance and stability that they need to set up this whole separate "push server" situation? Doesn't every other phone get along without one?

One App, perhaps not so much. But if you allow one app to do so, why not others? Essentially, Apple's push notification technology allows one connection to signal all your apps that may want to receive info. I think it's a really elegant solution.

During the keynote, Apple showed Windows mobile as a platform, and having to kill apps to regain performance, asking, "Is this what you want out of your mobile platform?".

 

[guise]

OK pak code got and time to change my T-Mobile N95 into a O2 3G iPhone next month.

A few things, in the UK any details on the unlimited 3G plan? and the ability to use the iPhone as a modem for my laptop. (windows).

Also on my n95 my most used fave tool is a wifi podcast downloader, I can download my fave podcasts on the go on my iPhone too yeah?

According to the o2/CPW sites all tariffs have unlimited data transfer + free wifi at cloud hotspots.

I dont think you can use the iPhone as a modem out of the box... i think there were some custom apps available for jailbroken phones which would let you do this though (although from what i saw it looked pretty convoluted)... who knows maybe theyll add something official on the app store.

Again with the podcasts - out of the box there is no functionality. The iTunes store only lets you download music not podcasts. Some sites will let you stream podcasts (e.g. bbc.co.uk/podcasts) but the easiest way again seems to be jailbreak then download the mobilecast app which lets you grab podcasts without iTunes syncing. Hopefully theyll update the iTunes store or add something to the appStore which will let you do it properly

 

[border]

But if you allow one app to do so, why not others?

Because you have utter control over the platform, and don't have to answer to anyone?

Why not let apps run in the background when suitable (text-chat), but refuse to do so when not suitable (Office and multimedia apps)?

 

[mrkgoo]

Because you have utter control over the platform, and don't have to answer to anyone?

Why not let apps run in the background when suitable (text-chat), but refuse to do so when not suitable (Office and multimedia apps)?

You're right, of course, but I think that's Apple's philosophy.

They want simplicity from their device. They don't want users to have a huge manual on how to 'maintain' performance. It's the way Apple has always worked - keeping it simple means more users find it more accessible.

On the flipside, and perhaps a more valid reason to do things the way they have, is that it benefits Apple. THEY control the device more. Less stuff running in the background, except what they let it, means not having to optimise for more than they know it can handle. It means less opportunity for apps to use features of the iPhone that could possibly impede security (I believe they don't allow apps to access certain channels in the OS or something).

In the end, if the effect of a push notification service is the same (for example, receiving notification of a reply in a chat app), does it matter to most users? I'm guessing no. For sure, it will mean loss of control to people who are more power users, but arguably, Apple is not seeing these people as a major audience - they want everyone else involved.

 

[ckohler]

Are they really going to drop chat apps before the push server is available in September? I guess they just have it not function in the background until the server tech hits.

Jobs said in the keynote that a few key developers will be beta testing the push service before they release it to all devs in September. In other words, AOL and eBay will get to use the service it when the App Store launches before everyone else.

 

[Macam]

You're right, of course, but I think that's Apple's philosophy.

They want simplicity from their device. They don't want users to have a huge manual on how to 'maintain' performance. It's the way Apple has always worked - keeping it simple means more users find it more accessible.

-snip-

In the end, if the effect of a push notification service is the same (for example, receiving notification of a reply in a chat app), does it matter to most users? I'm guessing no. For sure, it will mean loss of control to people who are more power users, but arguably, Apple is not seeing these people as a major audience - they want everyone else involved.

Basically, this (on top of being a better design to begin with). Beyond that, it's also a simple matter of keeping performance, especially with limited memory, and battery life up. You can't just apply the usual way of doing things from a desktop application way of thinking to a mobile device.

 

[The Chef]

I surprised my wife and I for our anniversary by getting us both 8gig iPhones 3 months ago and payed around $850.

I have never felt so nauseous seeing that the same phone "Twice as amazing Half the price" bullshit.

Thanks Apple.
You royally f'ed me

 

[drknite]

I surprised my wife and I for our anniversary by getting us both 8gig iPhones 3 months ago and payed around $850.

I have never felt so nauseous seeing that the same phone "Twice as amazing Half the price" bullshit.

Thanks Apple.
You royally f'ed me

You could see the new 3G iPhone models coming from the end of last year. Plus the whole event in March...

 

[The Faceless Master]

I surprised my wife and I for our anniversary by getting us both 8gig iPhones 3 months ago and payed around $850.

I have never felt so nauseous seeing that the same phone "Twice as amazing Half the price" bullshit.

Thanks Apple.
You royally f'ed me

3 months ago and you didn't hear any buzz about the upcoming 3G iphones?

 

[Liu Kang Baking A Pie]

I surprised my wife and I for our anniversary by getting us both 8gig iPhones 3 months ago and payed around $850.

I have never felt so nauseous seeing that the same phone "Twice as amazing Half the price" bullshit.

Thanks Apple.
You royally f'ed me

LOL!

It really isn't their fault that you're this dumb. Besides, you paid what you thought the device was worth... suddenly it's not worth it because technology moves forward at a predictable pace? Grow up.

 

[Draft]

I surprised my wife and I for our anniversary by getting us both 8gig iPhones 3 months ago and payed around $850.

I have never felt so nauseous seeing that the same phone "Twice as amazing Half the price" bullshit.

Thanks Apple.
You royally f'ed me

And don't forget, Steve Jobs is so rich, he won't wipe his ass with anything less than $1,000.

that $850? Not even good enough to wipe Steve Job's ass.

edit: Hahaha, look how the macfriends laugh at you. You'll find no sympathy here.

 

[Liu Kang Baking A Pie]

edit: Hahaha, look how the macfriends laugh at you. You'll find no sympathy here.

This has nothing to do with being a macfriend and everything to do with him being dense. Don't pull out the childish fanboy card to justify another's sad victim play.