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Official CES 2006 Thread (AGAIN)

Heian-kyo said:
IMO, the $499 price tag for the Toshiba HD-DVD player is nothing more than a flawed and idiotic last ditch effort to grab market share. The price is still too high to grab any worthwhile portion of the mainstream market, not to mention the serious lack of titles and shelf space it will have compared to Blu-Ray. And it's pointless to offer the lower price to the technophiles, who will buy the players at $1000 no questions asked.
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Pricing has always been the biggest strength of the HDDVD proposal, so its no wonder that they're going to ride it for all its worth. It has the potential to be successful if BD can't match that in short order (making no assumptions about PS3 pricing or availability at this time). While its true that the mainstream market isn't the target at this time, pricing like this paired with the fact that early HDDVD and BD libraries will not overlap 100% may help to assure that it's a "me too" purchase for most of the technophiles. That strategy may very well get it into enough homes alongside BD to keep it as viable.
 
Fingers crossed there is a decent player with the unified chip by the time I can afford an HDTV, access to everything is a definite must.
 
kaching said:
Pricing has always been the biggest strength of the HDDVD proposal, so its no wonder that they're going to ride it for all its worth.
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Even then its not much in the short term let alone long term. Overall they are even in this area. Besides movie production already is greater on Blu Ray which shows it means little to the movie companies. I dont think most people know whhere the HD-DVD price advanatge even is ;)

It has the potential to be successful if BD can't match that in short order (making no assumptions about PS3 pricing or availability at this time).
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Its chances of success over Blu Ray are over. They had plenty of time to improve or at least gain more support. They failed. Instead Blu Ray went strength to strength.

While its true that the mainstream market isn't the target at this time, pricing like this paired with the fact that early HDDVD and BD libraries will not overlap 100% may help to assure that it's a "me too" purchase for most of the technophiles. That strategy may very well get it into enough homes alongside BD to keep it as viable.
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New players will be announced all the time. This is a long term process that will last many years yet. Right now the movie side of things has only really just begun.

The first players will never really be that huge and even the Toshiba is coming in at a premium given what it does. Right now the electronic companies are focusing on leveraging and using HD as a sales driver for their products. Notice how Pioneer positoned their high end family of products.
 
Not only are HD-DVD players cheaper to manufacturer, but HD-DVD discs are supposed to be cheaper to make than Blu-Ray discs. Don't be surprised if HD-DVD movies are several bucks cheaper at retail...
 
Deg, I'm a well known proponent of BD around here but I just find your declarations of success far too unilateral for what we know at this time. Based on the suggested disparity in pricing we're seeing between BD and HDDVD hardware announced at this time (which is frankly larger than I expected it to be) I see no reason to completely rule out HDDVD's chances of getting a foothold. What happens after that remains to be seen.
 
Did anyone see this new pstwo special edition.. ffxii

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http://www.yamakiyo.org/press/index.php?/archives/15-PlayStation-2-FFXII-Pack.html
 
Blaster1X said:
I seen it on MSNBC CES coverage. The device is like a hub.. you connect your cellphone to it, which will give you WIFI in your home via cellphone high speed Internet access. They were saying that a lot of cellphones have fast connection now. This would be great for people who live in rural areas as well.
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My dad has something like that for his Verizon phone, in the form of a pcmia laptop card that uses the cellphone for broadband acess on the go, a little slow compared to regular broadband (I've only usd it once, so that could be an anomaly) and pretty expensive ($70 a month for unlimited service without the Verizon voice plan $60 with), but it's awesome being able to surf the internet on the road!
 
dskillzhtown said:
What do they make?
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From the PR (pardon the caps, too lazy to retype)...

DERAILED
TRANSAMERICA
MRS. HENDERSON PRESENTS
HOODWINKED
WOLF CREEK
THE MATADOR
LUCKY NUMBER SLEVIN
BREAKING AND ENTERING
DECAMERON
LAST LEGION
YOUNG HANNIBAL
SCARY MOVIE 4
SIN CITY 2
PULSE
PASSION OF THE CLERKS
KILLSHOT
AWAKE
SCHOOL FOR SCOUNDRELS
GRIND HOUSE

...so pretty much, just Miramax style properties.
 
dskillzhtown said:
What do they make?
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oscar winners..

no, really. Miramax was disney saying they wanted a studio to put out oscar winners (much like Dreamworks was intended) and they have done a good job with it. Judging by some of the already released Weinstein Company releases the trend seems to be going on over there.

As for Weinstein hating Disney... ummmmm... they made the W Brothers INSANELY rich.. rich enough to go on to form their own studio and take most of the miramax standards bearers with them. I don't know exactly what the W Brothers have to be pissed about.
 
kaching said:
Based on the suggested disparity in pricing we're seeing between BD and HDDVD hardware announced at this time (which is frankly larger than I expected it to be) I see no reason to completely rule out HDDVD's chances of getting a foothold. What happens after that remains to be seen.
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You do realise the reason of this pricing? Toshiba arent exactly in the strongest of positions. What do you think the reaction would have been if HD-DVD players cost the same or more than Blu Ray?

The HD movie market is still just getting started. There will be cheap Blu Ray players eventually. $500 for a player that cant do 1080p isnt exactly that great nor is that price cheap. Blu ray have PS3 which will do 1080p. Thats more than what they need. I suspect PS3 will get plenty of interest due to its Blu Ray player.

I will get a 1080p screen and a 1080p player but when the prices are more acceptable. PS3 could tide me over in the mean time.
 
Hmm, Goodfellas. I guess that's another "you know it's coming but we don't want to announce it yet" Warner Bros title ;)
 
Deg said:
The HD movie market is still just getting started. There will be cheap Blu Ray players eventually. $500 for a player that cant do 1080p isnt exactly that great nor is that price cheap. Blu ray have PS3 which will do 1080p. Thats more than what they need. I suspect PS3 will get plenty of interest due to its Blu Ray player.

I will get a 1080p screen and a 1080p player but when the prices are more acceptable. PS3 could tide me over in the mean time.
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99.99%+ (don't dispute my uber estimation capabilities!) of the HDTVs in the market (that people own, you know those that will be buying these movies) do not support 1080p. $500 for a player that outputs the HDTV resolutions supported by the overwhelming majority of this market is a very good deal, considering the alternatives.

Why isn't a $500 price point great for a player that supports 1080i/720p? Remember that the alternative is waiting for a PS3, which we still don't know how its feature-set will compare, and still why would someone who wants an HDTV movie player and has the capability to view them now wait for a 'cheap' bluray alternative. Remember that just as bluray players will drop in price, so will hddvd players, and the initial adoption rate is determined by early adopters (obviously.) This market doesn't care that in the future, as with all things, there will be cheaper and better alternatives.

And I don't care about the format bickering currently plaguing the forum, so don't misinterpret this post. If I owned an HDTV that supported 1080i/720p and had the option to buy a $500 player to play a library of HDTV movies that I wanted, I'd (as an early adopter) definitely chose it over a 1080p player that's significantly more expensive. Heck, the only thing stopping me from buying one is that my HDTV doesn't have HDMI inputs. Otherwise I'd go for it and wait for a 1080p player down the line when the 1080p displays went down in price.
 
IJoel said:
99.99%+ of the HDTVs in the market (that people own, you know those that will be buying these movies) do not support 1080p. $500 for a player that outputs the HDTV resolutions supported by the overwhelming majority of this market is a very good deal, considering the alternatives.
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Well, a lot of HDTVs out there are actually a higher res than 720p/1080i. You have funky native resolutions like 1366 x 768 etc. 1080p output scaled down to a res like that should look better than 720p scaled up..

IJoel said:
Why isn't a $500 price point great for a player that supports 1080i/720p? Remember that the alternative is waiting for a PS3, which we still don't know how its feature-set will compare
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We know it's 1080p, and in fact supports formats currently beyond even the BD spec (like 1080p/60).
 
IJoel said:
99.99%+ (don't dispute my uber estimation capabilities!) of the HDTVs in the market (that people own, you know those that will be buying these movies) do not support 1080p. $500 for a player that outputs the HDTV resolutions supported by the overwhelming majority of this market is a very good deal, considering the alternatives.

Why isn't a $500 price point great for a player that supports 1080i/720p? Remember that the alternative is waiting for a PS3, which we still don't know how its feature-set will compare, and still why would someone who wants an HDTV movie player and has the capability to view them now wait for a 'cheap' bluray alternative. Remember that just as bluray players will drop in price, so will hddvd players, and the initial adoption rate is determined by early adopters (obviously.) This market doesn't care that in the future, as with all things, there will be cheaper and better alternatives.

And I don't care about the format bickering currently plaguing the forum, so don't misinterpret this post. If I owned an HDTV that supported 1080i/720p and had the option to buy a $500 player to play a library of HDTV movies that I wanted, I'd (as an early adopter) definitely chose it over a 1080p player that's significantly more expensive. Heck, the only thing stopping me from buying one is that my HDTV doesn't have HDMI inputs. Otherwise I'd go for it and wait for a 1080p player down the line when the 1080p displays went down in price.
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As i said its very early days yet. By the time this thing gets anywhere near dvd it will be at least quite afew years. The first people always will pay a premium and a $500 player is hardly the answer to that. It will take time before people really buy in numbers. Right now the hardware companies are aiming at people who will not hesitate to spend several thousand on their new home kit.
 
Deg said:
As i said its very early days yet. By the time this thing gets anywhere near dvd it will be at least quite afew years. The first people always will pay a premium and a $500 player is hardly the answer to that. It will take time before people really buy in numbers. Right now the hardware companies are aiming at people who will not hesitate to spend several thousand on their new home kit.
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$500 for a brand new HDTV player seems to me like a great price, considering it's brand new technology and the alternatives are significantly more expensive. Just as the price for the PS3 will seem to me as well (assuming it's sub $500.)

Oh, and I know the PS3 will support 1080p/60. I meant how will it compare to a full featured player. As for the difference in scaling from 1080p or 1080i/720p to any other odd resolution, I guess it'd theoretically be better, but I wonder if it'd be perceptible enough. I'd have to see an example of this. For instance, I don't see a significant difference between 1080i and 720p.
 
ManaByte said:
Dunno if these were posted yet or not:
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What the FUCK?

Seriosuly did the Blu-Ray booth hire some local schoolkids to put together their showcase of movies? Between that strange confetti mess and the slapdash "stick-em-to-the-wall" display it looks like that was the case.
 
Flo_Evans said:
more TVs!!!!

JVC announces new 1080p LCoS displays

The 1080p lineup includes the 56-inch HD-56FN97 ($3,499 street), the 61-inch HD-61FN97 ($3,799), and the 70-inch HD-70FN97 ($5,499).

http://www.cnet.com/4831-11405_1-6413966.html?tag=ltstimg

looks like 1080p is here to stay! (and finnaly cost less that a freakin' car!)
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From the article:
One thing that remains the same, however, is that none of the new JVC LCoS sets can accept 1080p sources via HDMI.
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WTF
 
IJoel said:
From the article:


WTF
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WTF indeed I missed that part >_<

edit: well at least the new samsung LED DLPs can take 1080p. Looks like they are at the top of my list for TVs now.

http://www.cnet.com/4831-11405_1-6413134.html?tag=ltstimg

here is the link if anyone missed it with all the HD-DVD/Blu-ray banter :P

$2,899 for a 50" with not one, but two 1080p HDMI inputs? Count me in!

an aside, I wonder what this will do to prices of 720p sets?
 
Is it just me or do the new cases for BluRay and HD-DVD look awful? I really hate the big rounded tops on them, and the color blue that they picked for the BR cases looks really stupid imo. They also won't be able to fit into a lot of DVD cases/shelves now either...

I was hoping they'd be the same size and shape as regular DVD cases, just with a different color box (like Xbox/X360's green cases).
 
kaching said:
Yes, Deg, I did mention that in my initial response to Heain.
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Cool. :)

Is it just me or do the new cases for BluRay and HD-DVD look awful?
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They are likely to change later once one of the formats loses grip ;) . Right now they want attention so i am sure requirements are strict and point is to make them stand out.
 
As long as there isn't intense light on the BluRay cases, they look decent. I would have liked to see a darker 'blu' though. Blue is actually my favorite color, but in this case - I think the HD-DVD cases are HOT! The BluRay ones kind of look like plasticky toys (just like X-box cases IMO), while the HD-DVD cases look more like they are made from gems.



Anyway ... about SED!!

I REALLY hope Toshiba or cannon experiment with a 6 color pixel for future SED displays. As long as nothing unforeseen happens, SED appears to be 'the future' of non-projection TV's - at least in terms of picture quality.

I would really love to see that amazing contrast ratio and refresh be coupled with some extended color. I'm a little too lazy to look it up, but Texas Instruments has been experimenting with 6-color color wheels for one of their DLP designs (can’t recall the name … TruColor maybe?). Basically, instead of just using the 3 primary colors, they also use the 3 secondary colors coupled with an interpolation/extrapolation algorithm to artificially increase the color depth.

While I’m normally against the generation of information that doesn’t exist in the original recording (be it audio or video), when done correctly … it can be amazing. In the case of TI, I’ve heard nothing but great things from the demos thus far.
 
Hmm, I wonder...

What if the formats were reversed, and Sony and company were the creators of HD-DVD and Toshiba and Co. (including MS) were the creators of Blu-Ray, would HD-DVD be the better format? :lol

Imagine MS announcing a Blu-Ray addon for the X360...

Anyways, I'll stick with my standard DVD format.
 
The Blu-Ray cases aren't that bad.

The neon green XBox cases are much tackier. The "transparent" blue is kinda cool actually, but a bit overdone. If they toned the "border" down a bit it'd be cool.

From PS3 on out, I will be buying all new releases on the Blu-Ray format rather than DVD.
 
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