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Official European software charts for the week ending 24 June 2006

Shiggy said:
The original is even funnier than his copies. :lol
Yeah, he's funny in every thread but Media Create ones. In Media Create threads he's just repeating what he has said for weeks and months so he isn't funny at all. Maybe we'll read an original troll for Super Mario - I'm looking forward to it :).
 
Robinspain said:
SPAIN list:

1- Tourist Trophy PS2
2- Pro Evolution Soccer 5 PS2
3- DBZ Shin Budokai PSP
4- Animal Crossing NDS
5- Pro Evolution Soccer 5 PSP
6- Pack Buscando a Nemo GBA
7- Table Tennis XBOX 360
8- God of War (Platinum) PS2
9- Daxter PSP
10- Buzz: el gran reto PS2

Could you post a link and is this for the same week (till June 24/25)?
 
Monorojo said:
Is that why there is 5-8 PSP titles in the top 40 every week? PSP sotware has been selling great in the UK and all through out Europe since launch, this is a well known fact.

Let's see some numbers, pal.

Monorojo said:
DS software has only seen a recent boost due to DS Lite, and i believe this is the first (or 2nd week) since September 2005 that DS has more games in the top 40 than PSP in the UK.

Beginning of the end? How long will that "recent boost" last?

Monorojo said:
What you say is the sad truth. Things that shouldnt be purchased by any gamer (ala Enter the MAtrix, Brain Training) are being bought in boatloads and games that are true masterpieces (ala Psychonauts, Loco Roco) get ignored. Are you honestly trying to justify this?

I was just stating facts, actually, I wasn't trying to justify anything. But honestly, Enter the Matrix = Brain Training?? FFS. EtM is a poorly made piece of software. BT has good presentation and isn't a broken piece of shit. EtM fails to do what it sets out to, and BT succeeds. I'll agree that no one should buy EtM because it's such shite, but saying that BT shouldn't is a baseless statement.

Moreover, Loco Roco didn't get ignored. It made 25th place, didn't it?

Monorojo said:
I own Brain Age actually

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You can barely make it out to the left of my Gamecube, above the 2 Sopranos DVDs and Black & White 2. Anyone who owns the game can tell that is the case.

Its only game in the very loosest of terms. Its educational software, more comparable to more so to fisher price electronics than Metal Gear Solid or Loco Roco.

You need to define what educational software is. Brain Training only taught me that certain activities stimulate my brain, and that I'm really good at counting syllables quickly. Metal Gear Solid taught me all about nuclear coverups and international espionage, plus how to get wolves to stop harassing me. Both games taught me something, technically, so does that make both of them educational software?

Monorojo said:
The PSP is mixing in new IPs (Loco Roco, Exit, Gripshift) and old classics (Ridge Racer, Metal Gear Solid, Gran Turismo)

I couldnt be happier with it. On the other side of the spectrum, DS is bringing nothing new to the table. A bunch of franchise sequels they have been releasing since the early 90's with a mix of this touch generation crap, which in most cases arent even games.

Its rather obvious why i prefer PSP and its because im a gamer.

Im not trying to be mister negativety here, but if you cant see what im seeing you must be closing your eyes to the truth intentionally.

Well you said that you didn't like the direction of gaming. Now are you saying that the DS's trends constitute the entire state of gaming? Otherwise, the PSP (and all other consoles) would factor into the "direction of gaming" and the same trends found on DS aren't found on other systems. Case in point, Sega's Brain Training-esque offering on PSP, which didn't do quite as well as Nintendo's Brain Training on DS.

Unless you're saying that the DS's strength in the market is AFFECTING gamer purchases on ALL consoles and THAT'S why the PSP is being outpaced by the DS.
 
Oblivion said:
I pose this question everytime some Sony fan says something like this, and never get a response, but I'm feeling lucky today!
I'm not a Sony fan, so my responce will be nothing like what Mono's would have been but:
Do you honestly think that someone who loves GTA would suddenly opt out of buying it because something like Brain Training came along?
Yes, I do.

GTA's success isn't based on it being the best game, having the most realistic/beautiful graphics, having the tightest controls, or the most enjoyable game around. The serie's success is largely based on it's hype and trends. People buy it because its the game to have, the one everyone is talking about, everyone is playing it, etc... So if something else comes along and steals that attention and hype, I could see many people who opt out of GTA in favor of something like Brain Age. It wouldn't be the first time something like that occured in this industry.

In fact, I'd say that BA has a better chance of doing that than any GTA-clone ever would.


That's not to say that I think GTA will become completely irrelevent any time soon.
 
Dragona Akehi said:
Apparently Monorojo hasn't learned anything since his last ban.

cvxfreak: it's only because he hasn't repeated this ad nauseum yet.
:lol that was fast.
 
Robinspain said:
Spain is maybe the european country where PSP is favored better

Perhaps you didn't read it... it would be interesting to know the source of the top 10 you posted (and if they are about the timeframe this thread is about).

Jarrod said:
No... but your source most likely was. :P

Well, in the top 10 chart for May* I see no hint for something remotely close to PSP domination over DS. In fact it looks like DS probably outsold PSP in May.

*http://www.adese.es/web/top.asp?cod_tipo=8
 
My god.... I can't say anytihing in this forum.....
I didn't say PSP "dominated" . I only said Spain is maybe the european country where PSP is having the "bests" results (in terms of population). Sony Spain is doing a GREAT job with this portable here. Hardware is sellin nicely and software is doing well (not amazingly well).Software numbers are very balanced
Of cousrse Animal Crossing, Nintendogs and Brain Training are doing very very very well. DS hardware is also selling very well. (now you are happy???). But take note that the rest of the software (except Metroid Prime, Ice Age2, which are selling nice) is selling horribly.
 
Robinspain said:
My god.... I can't say anytihing in this forum.....
I didn't say PSP "dominated" . I only said Spain is maybe the european country where PSP is having the "bests" results (in terms of population). Sony Spain is doing a GREAT job with this portable here. Hardware is sellin nicely and software is doing well (not amazingly well).Software numbers are very balanced
Of cousrse Animal Crossing, Nintendogs and Brain Training are doing very very very well. DS hardware is also selling very well. (now you are happy???). But take note that the rest of the software (except Metroid Prime, Ice Age2, which are selling nice) is selling horribly.

Don't let them get to you. If nothing else, just throw up an O RLY? owl and move on to the next thread. =P
 
Robinspain said:
My god.... I can't say anytihing in this forum.....
I didn't say PSP "dominated" . I only said Spain is maybe the european country where PSP is having the "bests" results (in terms of population). Sony Spain is doing a GREAT job with this portable here. Hardware is sellin nicely and software is doing well (not amazingly well).Software numbers are very balanced
Of cousrse Animal Crossing, Nintendogs and Brain Training are doing very very very well. DS hardware is also selling very well. (now you are happy???). But take note that the rest of the software (except Metroid Prime, Ice Age2, which are selling nice) is selling horribly.

No. Apologize for defending Sony, then we'll talk.
 
Robinspain said:
My god.... I can't say anytihing in this forum.....
I didn't say PSP "dominated" . I only said Spain is maybe the european country where PSP is having the "bests" results (in terms of population). Sony Spain is doing a GREAT job with this portable here. Hardware is sellin nicely and software is doing well (not amazingly well).Software numbers are very balanced
Of cousrse Animal Crossing, Nintendogs and Brain Training are doing very very very well. DS hardware is also selling very well. (now you are happy???). But take note that the rest of the software (except Metroid Prime, Ice Age2, which are selling nice) is selling horribly.

Of course you can't... you're Pro-PSP.

Unacceptable!
 
DemDereNads said:
Of course you can't... you're Pro-PSP.

Unacceptable!
Well, it is when he posts misleading information under the guise of games media. He's basically the Fox News of gaming.
 
Danthrax said:
....

Unless you're saying that the DS's strength in the market is AFFECTING gamer purchases on ALL consoles and THAT'S why the PSP is being outpaced by the DS.

I think this is what he's saying. Which is funny, because he keeps saying that the PSP is doing okay and that the DS fad will stop pushing it eventually. He simultaneously bitches about the inevitability of the spread of the DS trend, and the impossibility of PSP being soundly beaten, all while ignoring the many quality real games on DS and Wii.

edit: oh wait hes banned LOL
 
Thnaks jarrod. But I think in all my posts I have respect . In my posts I only try to give you information (psp information of course) and I never wanted to start a system wars (which in the case of psp and nds is completely ridiculous). I've never lied or critizied the NDS. Some times I'm too quick in posting and I got wrong, (forgive me) but get assured that when I post anything about the PSP (specially Spain, where thanks to my "misleading information" I have a job) I only want to share with you the news I received or found.
I still don't get why some people get irritated when psp gets good news......
 
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OH COME ON!!! I was getting him into a debate for the greater entertainment good of all GAFdom! Give the guy A DAY to be unbanned.
 
JJConrad said:
GTA's success isn't based on it being the best game, having the most realistic/beautiful graphics, having the tightest controls, or the most enjoyable game around. The serie's success is largely based on it's hype and trends. People buy it because its the game to have, the one everyone is talking about, everyone is playing it, etc... So if something else comes along and steals that attention and hype, I could see many people who opt out of GTA in favor of something like Brain Age. It wouldn't be the first time something like that occured in this industry.

In fact, I'd say that BA has a better chance of doing that than any GTA-clone ever would.

I think you're on to something here. Whether we like it or not, the games industry is very hype and trend based. You never know where the next 'big hit' is coming from. Who could have predicted that the little PC game of GTA would become a monster franchise in its third incarnation? Who would have thought that games like Nintendogs and Brain Age would become monsters as well?

Even though we laugh at Monorojo weeping because of these cursed DS 'non-games' outselling the 'traditional games', this is eerily what was said ten years ago when games moved away from the arcade style and more towards a cinematic style. Games such as GTA 3, the later Final Fantasies, and the Metal Gear Solids were seen by today's lapsed gamers (who we call old-school gamers) as 'non-games' as well. They never accepted the 3d gaming revolution with cinematic style.

It's clear to me that a shift in the definition of gaming is presently occurring. Those 'non-games' could very well become the new standard definition of gaming. Those 'cinematic style' games may be increasingly abandoned due to their skyrocketing cost and limited sales numbers for this 'new trend' of games which have much lower costs and sells much better both in overall units and over a longer period of time. Publishers just might follow the money and the 'non-games' will double within the next year and double again within the next, until that is what is mostly done.
 
Lapsed said:
I think you're on to something here. Whether we like it or not, the games industry is very hype and trend based. You never know where the next 'big hit' is coming from. Who could have predicted that the little PC game of GTA would become a monster franchise in its third incarnation? Who would have thought that games like Nintendogs and Brain Age would become monsters as well?

Even though we laugh at Monorojo weeping because of these cursed DS 'non-games' outselling the 'traditional games', this is eerily what was said ten years ago when games moved away from the arcade style and more towards a cinematic style. Games such as GTA 3, the later Final Fantasies, and the Metal Gear Solids were seen by today's lapsed gamers (who we call old-school gamers) as 'non-games' as well. They never accepted the 3d gaming revolution with cinematic style.

It's clear to me that a shift in the definition of gaming is presently occurring. Those 'non-games' could very well become the new standard definition of gaming. Those 'cinematic style' games may be increasingly abandoned due to their skyrocketing cost and limited sales numbers for this 'new trend' of games which have much lower costs and sells much better both in overall units and over a longer period of time. Publishers just might follow the money and the 'non-games' will double within the next year and double again within the next, until that is what is mostly done.

I like your analysis, but I think DS has a A LOT to prove before we can call it the vangaurd of new gaming. Its success in Japan is remarkable, but its effect has been rather muted elsewhere.

If your predictions do come to pass, the DS probably won't deserve the credit. Keep a close eye on the PS3. How it performs will offer better insight into where gamers' hearts are right now. It seems just as likely to me that publishers pursue the Hollywood model to their graves and we see some real contraction in this industry this time around.
 
Robinspain said:
My god.... I can't say anytihing in this forum.....
I didn't say PSP "dominated" . I only said Spain is maybe the european country where PSP is having the "bests" results (in terms of population). Sony Spain is doing a GREAT job with this portable here. Hardware is sellin nicely and software is doing well (not amazingly well).Software numbers are very balanced
Of cousrse Animal Crossing, Nintendogs and Brain Training are doing very very very well. DS hardware is also selling very well. (now you are happy???). But take note that the rest of the software (except Metroid Prime, Ice Age2, which are selling nice) is selling horribly.

...I guess that means that you won't share the source of the top 10 list with me (us)?
 
Viral marketers usually don't say they took absolutely random information ;).
These charts definately are not from this week, as DS Lite was released and even if the Spanish market was the worst for Nintendo, I think it's totally unrealistic that there was only one game for the DS in the Top Ten. This chart would also mean, that Brain Training flopped. There are two possible explanations imo, first being it's a chart for a few weeks ago and second being that robinspain made it up.

PS: I hope you don't unban monorojo ever again. He won't change, that's for sure. Although I would've liked to see his spin on NSMB ^^.
 
jesusraz said:
I can't get onto the site because of work filters, but: http://www.eurogamer.net/article.php?article_id=65753

Eurogamer reports 35,000 DS Lites sold...

There's some more quite interesting information in that article too:
The DS Lite is proving pretty popular with UK gamers, it seems - more than 35,000 units have been shifted since the redesigned handheld launched here on Friday.

The original DS did a bit better when it launched, with 87,000 units sold in the first two days - and the Lite has not sold out, with plenty of stock available across the country. But that's still not a bad start, especially since everyone's too busy watching the football to go down the shops.

"It didn't set the world on fire, but I don't think we were expecting it to," ChartTrack's Dorian Bloch told our sister site, GamesIndustry.biz.

"You can call it good as they've managed to sell 35,000 even though the football's on. I tend to think it doesn't make much difference to what the year total will be, because those who haven't bought it yet will buy it as soon as their attention has moved on from something else."

ChartTrack confirmed that sales of the White and Black models were split 50/50 while, significantly, Lite's appearance didn't affect sales of either the original DS or the PSP.

"Original DS sold through the same as it did the previous week. Who's buying it? The answer is in the pink one - DS Pink made up half of original DS sales last week, bundled with Nintendogs Daschund," Bloch said.

"PSP sales are actually up - week 25 was actually up quite a lot anyway in terms of software and hardware, because we've gone past the really, really low point now. We're not going to have a week as low as the past couple of weeks. But that's the traditional low point anyway, which hasn't been helped by the football."

The launch of the Lite also boosted DS software sales, with eight DS-exclusive titles in the all-formats top 40 this week - the same number as at the launch of the original system.

Around 1.3 million original DS units have now been sold in the UK. It retails for £89.99, while the Lite is £99.99. A massive 2.2 million Lites have been sold in Japan since the handheld launched there on March 2nd, and more than 136,000 were sold in the first two days after it launched in the US on June 11th.
 
Mmmkay said:
There's some more quite interesting information in that article too:

Thanks Mmmkay! Any chance you could post the whole article for those that can't access the site, please? :)

I'd also heard that the Pink DS was selling extremely well. No wonder the Japanese are going to get a Pink DS Lite in July!
 
Heh, I never saw a pink DS before, but this weekend I was playing mario kart with two friends at the terras of a bar, and two kids asked if they could join. They both had (their sisters) pink DS's. They apologised (one saying he had a normal "grey" ds, the other one that he had a PSP but never took it with him).

We ended up playing five player mario kart.
 
About LocoRoco ranking so low, wasn't there an official bundle? Official bundle = game sale not counted.
 
As I've mentioned elsewhere, LocoRoco was pushed as much as the DS Lite last week in the large GAME in central Manchester and it even had large stands containing the PSP game stood right next to the DS Lite promotional material and all the DS games.

If it can't sell too well with that sort of retail pushing, it's bound to only go up if the price drops...
 
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