I dont understand why people feel like this. By using video technology to find out if someone dived or if someone handballed it could make a massive difference to some teams.
As hadareud pointed out, the problem is that people will interpret things differently. For instance some people have said that persie did dive whilst some think that he didnt, but in most cases you can clearly tell when someone has dived or not when looking at it from different anglkes. for instance when rooney dived against arsenal it looked like a proper foul when we first saw it, but after seeing it from different angles we saw that campbell made no contact. Imagine if video technology was used for that situation, it could have made a massive difference to arsenals season.
I'm not really prepared to let Sepp Blatter invent and implement any ideas about replay and cameras, unless you want the ref running around with some Al Franken-from-Weekend Update contraption on his head the whole game.
When I said video evidence for dives I meant for them to check the videos out after the game, much like it's already done with serious fouls that the ref didn't see.
Still I think if american pro sports can implement video evidence during the game, FIFA has to be able to do it as well. Just outsource to people who actually know what they are doing. And by that I don't mean some company that Sepp's nephew empties the trash bins for.
For American soccer fans, the US Open Cup final is on Fox Soccer Channel tonight at 8:00 EST. It's Chicago vs. LA and it's being hosted at Toyota Park.
I dont understand why people feel like this. By using video technology to find out if someone dived or if someone handballed it could make a massive difference to some teams.
If you mean after the matches to determine whether it was a blatant attempt to con the ref, then I do take your point, and it is useful I suppose. And even during games you can use that fourth official somehow for something other than going deaf from managers' tirades.
When I said video evidence for dives I meant for them to check the videos out after the game, much like it's already done with serious fouls that the ref didn't see.
Still I think if american pro sports can implement video evidence during the game, FIFA has to be able to do it as well. Just outsource to people who actually know what they are doing. And by that I don't mean some company that Sepp's nephew empties the trash bins for.
I hate Sepp Blatter with a passion, but on this stance he has a valid reason. Its very important that football remains essentially the same game played in every arena in the world, from world cup to league 3 to kickabouts in the local park - it has to remain true to its roots and that means a ref, his two linesmen and thats it. refs bad decisions are all part of the make up of the game and everyone is hurt by it at some point.
shinobi - stop being so petulant telling me to shut up and swearing and name-calling etc. behaving just like arsenal! its a football debate for crying out loud - chill out geeze. I'm trying to keep things civil here! I've posted videos of players behaving much worse than ronaldo - all you do is mouth off and say but ronaldo this and but ronaldo that. basing your entire argument on nothing but false imagery spawned by people who also hate him without much reason. i bet you hate tom cruise and brad pitt too. grow up or exit the debate. if you want to continue - please find extensive footage of ronaldo cheating, because there are only a handful of examples on youtube and so far your argument is totally without foundation. hate him fine, thats cos he is a great player, but he is not an outstanding cheat by any means.
lets get this straight, you are throwing accusations, I am defending. If you want that to stop, you stop throwing accusations around. why should I sit here listening to some arsenal fan call ronaldo a cheat and then get insulted when I respond (with evidence)?
Any Utd player who dives embarasses the club and are told in no uncertain terms to stop it. But you guys need to distinguish between going down to win the foul or going down to fabricate a foul. If you guys fail to make that distinction - you encourage players to highlight the foul by going down or making sure there is some kind of contact. i.e. shirt pulling, if he goes down he gets the freekick, if he doesnt, the ref ignores it and he loses the ball. I acknowledge ruud and becks cheating, but I wont brand rooney or ronaldo as cheats.
I actually play football so I understand what its like to be sprinting full speed and have some 6 foot defender tap or brush you - you do go flying and skidding along the surface and to try to save yourself from a painful landing your body naturally does what looks like a "superman". If you dont do that you end up getting your studs caught in the grass, breaking legs and ankles, twisting ligaments - or if you land on your wrist or hands etc - this is how Alan Smith injured himself - he tried to stay up!!
Its best to educate yourself before you leap into a debate on what is a dive and what isnt.
well thats what happens when people who dont try arguing with people who do. I hope you all go out and experience just what its like to be on the end of some of these innocent looking pulls and taps. They certainly dont feel like taps and its very easy to lose your footing on grass. Its just a fact, be ignorant if you want, not my loss.
I didnt. I'm basing my assumptions on the diving debate. Anyone who has experienced anything like those tackles on TV would not laugh it off as a theatrical dive - because they look like nothing on TV, but thats literally all it takes to send you sliding 6 feet along the grass on a wet day. The fact some people laugh at those incidents as dives etc just highlights their inexperience.
I understand not everyone plays at that kind of level or isnt a flying winger like ronaldo, but its always a good idea to try putting yourself in someone elses shoes and shw some understanding.
Gallas out so we're back with Hoyte - Toure - Djourou - Eboue
Hoyte has impressed me against Porto though, so I don't think it's too bad from that perspective. I would have liked to see him play with Toure and Gallas in centre in the Premiership, I think this would work quite well.
Now, we still don't know if Djourou might be out for a game or two as well, so we'd probably have to go with Song and Toure in centre. Or with Hoyte and Toure and play Flamini on the left, I don't know how well that would work. Hoyte did play centre back for Sunderland last season though.
It's such a shame, yesterdays Arsenal defensive display was the best I have seen in years. I don't think we'll miss Cole alot to be honest. Gallas seems to play very well together with Toure and Clichy will be a great player once he's back from injury.
edit: btw, I am confident that in 3 years time everyone will be raving about Alexandre Song. He'll be our main man in defensive midfield then. He'll be a star.
Bookmark this post. I'll have told you so. Also we'll be playing 4-3-3 in 2009 and we'll buy a little Russian guy that looks a bit like an owl. And Cesc will be the skipper.
I'm not at all worried long-term, just for now, but we should bury Charlton at the weekend even with Wenger at leftback.
My preferred line is Clichy-Gallas-Toure-Eboue as I think Gallas is one of the three best central defenders in the world. It's also murder on the flanks. Clichy will be quite good, and he's in the same mould as Cole, though not as good obviously.
If you mean after the matches to determine whether it was a blatant attempt to con the ref, then I do take your point, and it is useful I suppose. And even during games you can use that fourth official somehow for something other than going deaf from managers' tirades.
Using the fourth official to look at a replay of an incident and then tell the referee what decision should be taken seems to be the best way of introducing football. It makes perfect sense. It'll make sure that referee can make the right decisions and it also gives those foruth officials something to do. Ive never felt bad for them, I just think that they are kind of pointless.
Using the fourth official to look at a replay of an incident and then tell the referee what decision should be taken seems to be the best way of introducing football. It makes perfect sense. It'll make sure that referee can make the right decisions and it also gives those foruth officials something to do. Ive never felt bad for them, I just think that they are kind of pointless.
I'm not really in favor of that. To be honest, by and large I think dodgy decisions are a part of football and even out over a season. You've got to treat a bad referee like a bad pitch, just a poor set of circumstances with which you've got to deal that day. But with more and more money at stake with each result I'm sure we'll see its introduction very soon.
I have lost a bit my enthusiasm these days. Barça isn't playing with the intensity of the first days...they are a bit sleepy. Last day against Valencia I wasn't pleased at all.
Arsenal vice-chairman David Dein has promised Arsene Wenger a job for life as he celebrates his 10th anniversary as manager of the Gunners.
Dein said: "We want him for the rest of his career. If he wanted to give up the tracksuit he'd be invaluable in the boardroom in a technical role."
Wenger, 57, insists he has no thoughts of retiring, saying: "We have a young team and want to continue developing.
"Reaching the Champions League final last season gave us belief."
During his time with Arsenal, Wenger has won the Premiership three times and lifted the FA Cup on four occasions - including two Doubles.
He has also seen the club move to their new 60,000-capacity Emirates Stadium.
Wenger added: "I listened to Tony Blair on the television and when he said that '10 years ago we started' I thought for a moment he was talking about me!
"He talked about how the world had changed in that time and our world has changed here too. The stadium is a concrete sign that we are going in the right direction."
I'm not really in favor of that. To be honest, by and large I think dodgy decisions are a part of football and even out over a season. You've got to treat a bad referee like a bad pitch, just a poor set of circumstances with which you've got to deal that day. But with more and more money at stake with each result I'm sure we'll see its introduction very soon.
well referees are making teams lose a lot of money. A dodgy decisioon can be the difference between winning the title and coming second or staying up and getting relegated. I dont believe that decisions even themselves out at all. John terry handballed the ball so many times and got away with them but the bad decisions never seemed to go against chelsea.
damn, it really sucks that we (Werder) received that last minute goal by messi. overall we played better, except the last 20 minutes barca managed to apply some pressure, but our defense with mertesacker seems to be quite stable - at least in comparison to the past. but messi is always a player to reckon with, especially because he alomost always comes into play as a sub, totally fresh and kicking. i guess we deserved to win, but sometimes we're just lacking that little ounce of luck in the end.
I should've made myself more clear about the replay thing...someone checks the game video after the final whistle has blown, and sees if anyone made a dive that a referee might've missed. If he sees one, that player is suspended. No interuption with the flow of play, yet divers are no longer given the free reign they've had for the last five or ten years. Believe me, they'd wise up in a hurry.
brooklyngooner said:
And even during games you can use that fourth official somehow for something other than going deaf from managers' tirades.
I don't...he probably has the time of his life when he's standing between two managers who hate each other's guts, hearing them using every expletive in every available language as they try to out shit talk each other. If I got to hear the banter between Wenger and Ferguson up close, I'd be rolling on the floor with laughter.
As for you kaizoku, I'm not keen on wasting my time being civil with someone who wants to act like a blind, delusional, accusatory idiot while bringing in completely useless pieces of information that mean nothing to the debate (Alan Smith? Who gives a **** about him. You play football? Congratulations!). Just remember that you came after me with your "DON'T PICK ON UNITED YOU BIG BULLY, CAUSE ARSENAL ARE EVEN WORSER!!!11" nonsense, when neither team was mentioned or part of the discussion till that point.
As for video evidence...hey, you've got it. This dive here was just pathetic.
Here's the worst dive in history...he doesn't even grab the correct leg! :lol Also note the way he looks at the ref in midair, as if he's hoping to get a real time score of his performance.
50 bucks says he takes all these links super seriously.
BTW, can Crouch finally get some ****ing credit now? That second goal he scored yesterday was about as good as I've seen all year. Of course it makes his T&T miss all the more embarassing, but whatever. Crouch is clearly a player who thrives when he's confident...the more he has, the better he does. That strike was proof of that. That game was fun as hell to watch BTW...looked like the Reds were gonna blow 'em out, only for the draw to look like a real possibility in the closing stages.
Gotta give props to Drogba as well...Schivenko's presence has clearly pushed him to new heights.
Inter Milan's in deep trouble...0 points in two games. Three wins and a draw is the least they can afford to get from their last four games. This game was violent as hell though...Bayren and Inter really went at each other hard. Wouldn't surprise me if it was residue from the Germany/Italy semi-final clash.
Magpies fan here... just dropping in so that if by some miracle Newcastle wins at Man U on Sunday I can come back and laugh in your face!! WOOOO.
Ok, I'm done here.
Ummm on a side note, I find it very hard to read about soccer on the internet. I'm American, and quite frankly all these British websites (even ESPN) just don't make a lick of sense to me.
Newcastle striker Obafemi Martins announced himself on Tyneside with a first-class double to fire the club into the UEFA Cup group stage.
Ummm on a side note, I find it very hard to read about soccer on the internet. I'm American, and quite frankly all these British websites (even ESPN) just don't make a lick of sense to me.
What the hell does that MEAN? It's like trying to decipher a code.
I think its trying to say that he made an impression at St. James Park by scoring 2 top-class goals to put Newcastle United into the UEFA Cup Group stages.
So it seems i can go back to bashing Pardew again, 7 defeats on the trot means i dont have to pretend to like him anymore (ok i wasnt pretending, im just fickle). TBH i dont totally blame Pardew, a lot of the players that looked so great last season have been shit, namely, Gabbidon, Reo-Coker & Harewood...wouldnt be so bad though if Pardew was prepared to drop any of them. Also the whole Argentine thing has now made him abandon 4-4-2 for 4-3-3 so Macherano can play deep in midfield and Tevez can play a Rooney (ie do nothing for 6 months then score 1 goal and have everyone call him god).
Good news is i had a fiver on West Ham going down this season, so i could be up £60 come may, I already won £40 from betting on West Ham to lose this season, I'll get another £20 if we **** up against reading...I could pay off a PS3 purchase by march, that would ease the pain of championship football...a bit.
Oh also on the We suck front, the Israeli apparently funding the buyout has admitted he's only interested because he can sell the land upton park is on for £millions....just what every shareholder wants to hear.
Do it every year, its like a security blanket, whenever we lose or whatever i can say "at least i won £££'s" that is of course with the exception of the Cup Final where i placed my bet on Liverpool but failed to read the small print saying it was the score at 90 minutes that counted, not the final result. :'(
Theres plenty of people i assume are hoolgans at upton park every week, they were the ones shouting '**** off tumor boy' at Glen Roeder the other week.
That reminds me i saw Ian Dowie in London yesterday, damn he's BUILT, i was gonna yell something but i thought he could probably run me down...then pummel me into a weak paste..he looked mad too.
Theres plenty of people i assume are hoolgans at upton park every week, they were the ones shouting '**** off tumor boy' at Glen Roeder the other week.
That reminds me i saw Ian Dowie in London yesterday, damn he's BUILT, i was gonna yell something but i thought he could probably run me down...then pummel me into a weak paste..he looked mad too.
The film. Ha ha ha no I didn't mean have you ever seen a hooligan before. I was just curious whether those shots from the movie were actually around Newham or a decent approximation.
Iain Dowie's neck is larger around than my rib cage. I think he can snap a fireplug in half. Either that or eat it for breakfast.
Ive never been someone who likes to see players in jured, but Im more than happy to hear that the potato headed muppet silvestre will be out for a while. If only this could happen to richardson too.
As for other news, scott parker has got picked for the england squad. He desevres it, he's been playing well and deserves the chance to play for england. beckham didnt get a call up, which is wierd because Richardson has still got a place in the team even though he has been shit.
It's over. 2-0 with goals from Speed and Campo. However, I don't like that 58/42 possession statistic. Good to see Anelka really trying hard, but he needs to hit one in the back of the net.
