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Official Football Thread 2006/2007 (Soccer)

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psycho_snake said:
I dont wtach any of the american league's, but Im curious toi know if freddy adu is all that he's made out to be. The british press are making it sound like he's the greatest american football player, but hardly anyone in england has actually seen him play.
Adu has been developing reasonably well, but he's not coming close to the totally overblown expectations that were created for him. I think he'll be a useful national team member in a few years. I'd hope for more from him, but he still needs more time in a program where he can get some minutes and develop his game. The situation at DC really wasn't working out for him - he and Nowak never saw eye to eye on things, and the MVP of the league was playing in his preferred position (A-mid.) I'll be curious to see if he tries to get out of Salt Lake and over to Europe this summer when he turns 18, or if he'll stick around for a while.
 
so the Curbishley appointment is only a matter of times, or so it seems.

Good for both parties, I think Curbishley is an excellent manager. I also find him sympathetic as a person, so I'd like to see him back in the Premiership.
 
hadareud said:
so the Curbishley appointment is only a matter of times, or so it seems.

Good for both parties, I think Curbishley is an excellent manager. I also find him sympathetic as a person, so I'd like to see him back in the Premiership.

I agree Curbishley is a great manager it would be great to see him back in the Premiership and with the new backing at the club and the money available he could really turn that team around into something really huge.

I was under the impression though that he left Charlton in the summer because he wanted to spend more time with his family or am I mistaken? Although I'm sure he wouldn't pass up a chance to manage the club he started at.
 
Wes said:
I agree Curbishley is a great manager it would be great to see him back in the Premiership and with the new backing at the club and the money available he could really turn that team around into something really huge.

I was under the impression though that he left Charlton in the summer because he wanted to spend more time with his family or am I mistaken? Although I'm sure he wouldn't pass up a chance to manage the club he started at.


He said on Sky Sports yesterday that he hasnt had to do christmas shopping with his wife for 10 years and he's desperate not to start now.


West Ham fanzine sites are saying its all been sorted today and he'll start thursday, giving him 48 hours to get ready for Man U at upton park, baptism of fire here we go!



p.s Hope you all got your money on yesterday before the bookies closed the books on it :D
 
psycho_snake said:
I dont wtach any of the american league's, but Im curious toi know if freddy adu is all that he's made out to be. The british press are making it sound like he's the greatest american football player, but hardly anyone in england has actually seen him play.
He's not all that he's made out to be. I don't know if it's too early to tell, but Red Bull New York's Josmer Altidore is a much better player than Adu and he's younger too. We'll just have to see how Altidore does when he plays for a whole season.
 
BBC said:
West Ham set to unveil Curbishley
Alan Curbishley
Curbishley was allegedly offered the West Ham job in 2001
West Ham will appoint Alan Curbishley as their new manager on Wednesday, BBC Sport understands.
that went quick. I have a hunch they may have started talking to Curbishley before Pardew got the sack. Anyway, good news for West Ham I think.


Wigan tonight, this could be a pain again. I hope Arsenal are going to show up tonight. I also hope that bloody Scharner doesn't score again, he has a habit of scoring in every game against Arsenal.
 
I wouldnt be supprised if Magnusson had a contingency in place (ie curbs) incase form didnt pick up when he took over.

BTW, Nigel Reo-Coker is having a boo-hoo

West Ham captain Nigel Reo-Coker claims that everybody blames him for the club's problems.

The England Under-21 man is certainly feeling sorry for himself after the exit of Alan Pardew, claiming he has been given a lot of "flak" that will only get worse now.

Reo-Coker's form has been poor this season after a last campaign that saw him touted for full England honours.

"Everybody keeps saying I should be sacked and it's all my fault we've been doing so bad," Reo-Coker told The Sun.

"Alan's departure was a shock to everyone. Alan is a really great bloke and I can't believe it has happened now.

"We had no idea he was going to get sacked. Half the team had left training when Pardew came out to tell everyone he was leaving.

"I called him later for a private chat and he thanked me for being a great captain. Unfortunately a lot of people don't feel the same way.

"I've really been getting it in the neck. I've had so much flak but no one knows what it is like behind the scenes and what has really been going on with the team.

"Now Pardew has gone it's only going to get worse for me, with people pointing the finger."

*wah*


Hey Gunners you still want him? He's yours as far as im concerned, i dont believe half the crap thats getting written about him, but i think to be club Captain as 21 has put too much pressure on him (its fine when things are going well, ask Bobby Moore, but its too much responsiblity when things are going badly)...cant drop him as captain without his form getting even worse now so sell sell sell is the only option.
 
Ghost said:
I wouldnt be supprised if Magnusson had a contingency in place (ie curbs) incase form didnt pick up when he took over.

BTW, Nigel Reo-Coker is having a boo-hoo



*wah*


Hey Gunners you still want him? He's yours as far as im concerned, i dont believe half the crap thats getting written about him, but i think to be club Captain as 21 has put too much pressure on him (its fine when things are going well, ask Bobby Moore, but its too much responsiblity when things are going badly)...cant drop him as captain without his form getting even worse now so sell sell sell is the only option.

I don't want another Anelka, thanks for the offer.
 
I'll never understand the motivation of teams to make young players captains, just because they're the most talented on the squad. It's far too much responsibility far too soon.
 
I don't want another Englishman, thanks for the offer.

fixed ;)

Funny story in the paper today about Wenger warning the premier league that foreign investment will kill the english game. :lol.


Shinobi said:
I'll never understand the motivation of teams to make young players captains, just because they're the most talented on the squad. It's far too much responsibility far too soon.


Slim pickin's is the reason, our squad features cocaine addicts, rehab outpatients and violent offenders, it was Reo-coker or Gabbidon and no one can take a guy with a Welsh accent seriously.
 
Ghost said:
Funny story in the paper today about Wenger warning the premier league that foreign investment will kill the english game. :lol.
well he has a point though, regardless of what you may think about his transfer policies.

The problem is not that they're foreign however, it's also not that they invest their money - it's how it's being invested by certain individuals and something has to change about the rules in football.

It can't be good for football for clubs like Chelsea to be allowed to make 50, 75 or however many million pounds loss a year just to get the balance paid in their bank account by their "sponsor" at the end of the season. All clubs have to have a budget and adhere to it, or else they should not get a license for the premiership - meaning all the sponsor money and the money they receive from their investors has to be declared by the beginning of the season, or soon thereafter.

The way things are done at the moment is killing the competition - I am not saying that investors are bad per se, I think it's somewhat positive that they are interested in football (unless they are dodgy characters trying to wash their money or have some other agendas, not that I accuse any current investors of that. Maybe).

And I am not saying this because Arsenal does not have a rich Uncle from Tchernobyl or something. Of course no one would say no to a big chunk of money, but that's not the point. Basically what I am saying is that it's not the foreign investors killing the game, it's the rules that allow them to do so.
 
Wenger's been making this point for a while now...he believes that the teams should be English/British owned. He also said he doesn't have a problem with a multimillionaire buying into a club who lived in the area and was a fan before, because it means he has a connect of sorts with supporters. That's hardly the case with people like Glazer Doughnut and Mr Roman Mob dude.
 
If you're worried about English football then you should be worried about those playing and those managing, they define what english football is. Foreign money is the least of the threats to English football in that regard, Wenger himself is a far bigger threat to English football by those standards.

I see hadareuds point about Abramovic but thats a one off, he's the only one of the foreign investors plowing in money without any remote hope of getting it back, the rest are in it to make money, which means running the club efficiently and doing right by the fans.


For the record though i dont really have a view one way or another about Wengers selection policy, he's right that he can get equal/better talent abroad for less money and he's entitled to do so. I just think he has a ****ing cheek claiming that Foriegn money is a threat to English football when its the Foreign managers and players who keep the developing talent on the bench, not the money.
 
Well Arsenal's got books to balance, and they're doing that while paying off a brand new stadium AND fielding a competitive team. So they really can't afford to drop 18 mill on some holding midfielder like Carrick, or 24 mill on some small winger that sits on the bench 90% of the time. The defensive core that held out Chelsea's band of multimillionaires on Sunday cost maybe 4 million, if that much. You don't need to be an English or foreign Einstein to see the sense in that deal.
 
Wenger's transfer policy is also down to a couple of reasons that are not entirely down to him however.

- lack of own talent coming through the youth academy, although this may change over the next few years.
- the price of English players, as mentioned by Shinobi, is just ridiculous. There is no way that Arsenal can afford to pay the same price for a slightly above average young English player as they would for a grown world class player. We can't play that game, or at least not anymore.

Let's not forget that Wenger did try to get this overpriced players in and they were with very few exceptions disasters. Let's just talk about Franny Jeffers for instance, for the 10 million he cost we could have had an actual world class player instead. There is quite a few examples that went the same way, it's a high risk game.

West Ham for instance just have the luxury of an incredibly well run youth program, and they have to be congratulated for that.

Let's however just take some top clubs as an example, say Chelsea and Manu. Where is their homegrown talent, except for a very few players? Chelsea have Terry and a few others, but as you know best yourself the majority of their English players come from other clubs.

Manu of course had quite a few of them, but I can't think of many except for Richardson that are under 30 now. They are doing the exact same thing as Arsenal with their youth program, the players come from all over the world. The only reason they are able to field English players is that they are able to buy them for a shitload of money from elsewhere. Also, same deal. Few of them succeed in the long term.

There's plenty of other things to say about this, but I should really do a bit of work now :D
 
For every high profile fudge-up transfer of a young english player to a premiership theres at least three that are successful and go un-noticed, hell look at the entire Spurs squad, they paid pretty reasonable prices for virtually all their young English talent.

Lescott at Everton also springs to mind, Darren Bent to Charlton.

As i said im fine with Wenger going abroad, but to say the prices here mean theres no talent to get isn't true, its hit and miss yes, but so is Wengers foreign policy.
 
the problem is that Arsenal is playing with the big boys, no disrespect to Spurs but most of their team is simply not good enough for Arsenal. Of course there's a few players that most certainly are.

All that said I think we will see more English players at Arsenal in the next few years. I think it's not unrealistic to expect that there will be 3 or 4 in the starting formation come 2010, of course everyone would like to see more, but then again - it depends if you want 8 English players and play for the UEFA cup or 4 and play for the league.

Also, one thing to be considered is that there were quite a few young english players that Wenger got in alongside players from the rest of the world, but they simply weren't quite good enough for Arsenal and are now playing for other Premiership clubs. Such is life.
 
Ghost said:
Paul Robinson, Matt Dawson & Aaron Lennon not good enough for Arsenal?
like I said, there are a few that certainly are. But you also have to think that it easier for that kind of players to develop at a club like Spurs, where the expectations are lower.

Players like Bentley and Pennant for instance could have been starters had they remained at the club for a few more years, but it's frustrating for them not to play week in week out. Let's see if Justin Hoyte makes it through this period, I think he could be a good player in 2 or 3 years time, but at the moment there are stronger players in his position that will be picked ahead of him. Will he wait that long? Doubtful.
 
Its no surprise that curbishley is manager. As one website put it, curbishley being appointed as west ham, manager was as predictable as keiron dyer getting injured again. The appointment of curbishley is a good and a bad thing. Its good beause curbishley will be able to bring comfort and stability to west ham and with their current situation they certainly need that. Curbs has said that he's aiming for a top ten finish but currently his priority is to make sure that west ham dont drop any more points so that they avaoid having to get involved in a relegation battle.

The bad thing about curbs is that comfort and stability is the only thing that he can provide. He spent 15 years at charlton and during that time he didnt achieve anything. He couldnt get them into europe and he couldnt get them into a cup final. Charlton were always a mid table team under curbishley. If west ham are expecting big things from curbishley they're going to be disappointed because curbs has never been able to achieve anything spectacular.

As for the tedious arsenals lack of homnegrown talent arguement, it really doesnt matter if they dont have much homegrown talent. People seem to forget that Cole came through the arsenal academy, which is just as good as terry because the one world class player thats come up through their academy is terry. Cole and lampard were bought from west ham. Man United havent had much luck with homegrown talent either. We have not had any brilliant player come through the ranks since scholes, giggs, beckham and co.

Buying english players is also a big problem. Just look at carrick. He's a good player, but he's not worth £18 mil. Its the same with ferdinand. he cost us £30 mil, but he's certainly not worth that much. Why should teams like arsenal pay that sort of money when they can buy players like cesc and toure for less than £1?
 
I don't have too much problem with the investors coming into the game, despite Blackburn being a club highly unlikely to attract anyone unless they just happen to support us. Mainly because of our rubbish attendance, you'd just pick another club first.

I do knid of support the idea of a minimum number of English players in teams. I don't know if it's UEFA or FIFA who want 6, but that's ridiculous. Especially as it's English and not British. Personally I'd say a minimum of two English players have to start every Premiership game (though there should be a rule that in a serious injury/suspension crisis and a club can prove they really can't play an English player, they don't have to) and 40% of the squad should be English (or at leats eligible to play for England, like Hargreaves).

Of course, that leads to problems. You'd probably have to introduce a limit on squad sizes, otherwise the really rich clubs could just fullfil the 40% requirement by having a squad of 50 players and most of the English guys would never get a look in.

Oh I'd also force clubs to have 70% English kids in their youth system, at every level.

The main problem is I'm pretty sure this is all illegal, and if taken to court by clubs FIFA/UEFA would lose lose lose. Just because it's football doesn't mean you can change employment laws however you wish. Then again I think the transfer window could get destroyed if any clubs took a serious go at it in court, can you seriously restrict a person changing jobs to a few months a year if they really want to go? I doubt it. But that's still in place.
 
Arsenal head up north to face off against Wigan today. Henry, Gallas, and Rosicky aren't fit, but everyone else should be available. This is just the sort of game that Arsenal have to start winning, and hopefully they'll get the job done today.

The other match is Chelsea vs. Newcastle.

EDIT:
PS: The Guardian is having people write in with their favorite YouTube clips of goals and other sporting moments today. Linky.

There are some great ones already listed including:
Taylor's goal against Everton over the weekend
Trevor Sinclair's bicycle kick
 
Surprise result

Al Ahly 1 - 2 Internacional


Next game

December 14, 2006
19:20 (Japan time)
Club América Mexico v Spain Barcelona


Should be a VERY good game. Last they they played, score ended at 4-4.


Also today
The final of the Copa Sudamericana

21:30 Colo Colo ? - ? Pachuca
 
1:0, what a close game. We were maybe even a bit lucky, but who gives a ****. Second half was a really good game, Walcott was excellent again. He's getting better from game to game, even though he obviously still makes quite a few mistakes.

I am relieved.
 
Leave it to Fabregas to save our ass...came on as a sub 15 minutes from time, delivered a hard but (seemingly) clean tackle to win possession, and found Abedayor from just inside his own half with a terrific pass. Now we're back in third place...woohoo!! Best of the rest baby!!

Meanwhile Chelsea beat Newcastle 1-0 thanks to a Drogba goal from Shevchenko, cutting Man U's lead at the top of the prem to five points.
 
Baptista played very well second half, I like him. I think he should start more games. He still has to adjust to the speed of the Premiership but the more games he gets the easier it will be for him.
 
hadareud said:
Baptista played very well second half, I like him. I think he should start more games. He still has to adjust to the speed of the Premiership but the more games he gets the easier it will be for him.
Good to hear. That's what other people were saying online, as well: he has flashes of classy play, but he's going to need some more time to adjust.
 
Speaking of player performances, Adebayor nearly made me cry tonight.

He works extremely hard, but sometimes you just want to punch him. It goes from great passing to horrible, and from mistiming the most vital things to scoring a goal with a brilliant finish. He's a player I really like because of his work ethic and he has great attributes, but he has to sort himself out a bit. I hope he can.
 
It turns out that Toronto FC has sold out the south end of their stadium which is the supporters group section.

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It seats 3000, but only 2600 are available as season tickets so that there can be single day tickets available. The total season tickets sold is around 5,800 which puts Toronto FC near the top of the league in season ticket sales. The amount of support shown for the club months before they even kick a ball is amazing. Is there a buzz around the soccer community Shinobi?
 
Osorio said:
It turns out that Toronto FC has sold out the south end of their stadium which is the supporters group section.

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It seats 3000, but only 2600 are available as season tickets so that there can be single day tickets available. The total season tickets sold is around 5,800 which puts Toronto FC near the top of the league in season ticket sales. The amount of support shown for the club months before they even kick a ball is amazing. Is there a buzz around the soccer community Shinobi?

60 bucks for a good single seat ticket?

What a ripoff.
 
Yeah, very good buzz. They were doing a pub crawl at the most popular soccer spots for a month or two, where the coach Mo Johnson and one of the players was there to just talk with the fans (I talked to Jim Bremnan at one of these). I think there's a lot of genuine excitement amongst the soccer fans I've talked to...people either plan to attend the games, grab a season ticket, or own a season ticket already. I was hoping to get one of the $200 seats, but I might just go the single game route instead.
 
Im going to sleep, but once again a quick reminder for those of you who will be awake when the game airs


CF America from Mexico vs Barcelona of Spain
at
19:20 Japan time.

It is currently 14:37 in Japan.

So in less than 5 hours.
 
hadareud said:
Speaking of player performances, Adebayor nearly made me cry tonight.

He works extremely hard, but sometimes you just want to punch him. It goes from great passing to horrible, and from mistiming the most vital things to scoring a goal with a brilliant finish. He's a player I really like because of his work ethic and he has great attributes, but he has to sort himself out a bit. I hope he can.
Thats the same way I feel about darren fletcher. I dont question his commitment and his work ethic, he seems to be a player who puts in his best, but half the time he's shit. He has had his good moments. He's scored 2 goals this seaosna nd he's also put in some great performances, but he's just far too inconsistant. one game he's great, then the next game he's shite.
 
The Barça match is being incredible... but well, I doubt that the america would even be on the 2nd division of the Spanish league...
 
Complete domination. Barca just toyed with America and didn't even break a sweat. Dinho was fantastic.

Not much else to say. Barca is out of this world when they're in sync.
 
About "English football" and the Premiership.

It comes down to:

- do you want the premiership to be a showcase for the best football and the best footballers in the world?
- or do you want the premiership to be a showcase of domestic talent and be prepared to sacrifice seeing the best league football in the world?

I don't give a shit how many foreign players are in a team. They should not force clubs to field a certain number of domestic players despite them not being as good as their foreign counterparts. It will only serve to lower the quality of football in the premiership.

When you play football in the premiership, you play by the rules and standards that are part of the english game. You don't need to force english nationals into the premiership in order to keep "english football" alive or to help produce better players in England.

If they want to introduce a spending cap linked to revenue in order to prevent ridiculous and excessive spending by top, billionaire-owned, super-clubs then I'm all for it...but ****ing with the nationalities of the players in the league itself is stupid.

edit:

Not sure if this has been posted yet, but possible tabloid trouble for Sunderland. There is a video on the internet of Sunderland keeper Ben Alnwick (19), winger Liam Lawrence (24), and striker Chris Brown (21) taking part in an orgy where they "roast" a female fan.
 
The problem is, it's not a matter of giving worst English players the chance over better foreign players. It's giving equally good, but expensive English players the chance over equally good but cheap foreign players.

I mean, it's not like it's these English players fault that they're more expensive. All they've done is worked their socks off to get to the top of their game in their country....only to find that their own domestic league, the richest league in the world (so it's not like any other country is going to swoop for them), has decided they cost too much and they can get the same quality from abroad for less. And then they end up playing for a lesser Premiership club or even in a lower league.

Now ideally the price of English players would come down, but I just don't see how that's going to happen. So instead, there might be a need to force clubs to buy English, despite the price.

The figures I suggested above are hardly excessive though. Especially on the first team front, with two English players each, Arsenal are probably the only team in the league who'd have any problems filling it. Wait, let me check...

Arsenal: Walcott, Hoyte
Aston Villa: Barry, Agbonlahor
Blackburn Rovers: Bentley, Roberts
Bolton Wanderers: Nolan, Davies
Charlton Athletic: Bent, Young
Chelsea: Terry, Lampard
Everton: Neville, Johnson
Fulham: Knight, Pearce
Liverpool: Gerrard, Carragher
Manchester City: Barton, Vassell
Manchester United: Scholes, Ferdinand
Middlesbrough: Woodgate, Downing
Newcastle United: Parker, Bramble
Portsmouth: James, Campbell
Reading: Sidwell, Shorey
Sheffield United: Jagielka, Morgan
Tottenham Hotspur: King, Dawson
Watford: Young, Francis
West Ham United: Ferdinand, Reo-Coker
Wigan: Heskey, Kirkland

Arsenal can just about do it, but it's hardly ideal for them.

So you know, 9 of every team could still be foreign players. And if they really are the best foreign players in the world, they're going to be guys likely to get into the first team anyway. The real changes for the English game I would hope to come from the percentage of the squad and youth players.
 
BatiGOOOOOOL said:
Complete domination. Barca just toyed with America and didn't even break a sweat. Dinho was fantastic.

Not much else to say. Barca is out of this world when they're in sync.

I was surprised by the result. Over the summer, America had a 3-1 lead on Barça before that game ended at 4-4.

I cant wait to watch the highlights tonight

Anyway, tommorow:

Fifth place play-off
December 15, 2006
19:20
Auckland City New Zealand – South Korea Jeonbuk Hyundai Motors


The big game is sunday
December 17, 2006
19:20
Internacional Brazil – Spain Barcelona
 
Draw for the next round of European competitions is tomorrow (though the next games aren't until mid-February).

CL is the big one, of course, and it looks like this:

Group winners:

AC Milan (Ita)
Arsenal (Eng)
Bayern Munich (Ger)
Chelsea (Eng)
Liverpool (Eng)
Lyon (Fra)
Man Utd (Eng)
Valencia (Spa)

Runners up:

Barcelona (Spa)
Celtic (Sco)
Inter Milan (Ita)
Lille (Fra)
FC Porto (Por)
PSV Eindhoven (Ned)
Real Madrid (Spa)
Roma (Ita)

Can't be drawn against your own country, or from the same group you qualified from.

Barca, Real and Inter are certainly the stand out "try not to draw these 3" runners up....and I don't really know who you'd want to get from the winners. Milan are having a bad time domestically, same with Valencia and kind of Bayern/Liverpool (not doing badly, just below the norm), so I gues those 4. No real stand out weak team though.

It's easier doing it this way round than the other way, with the strong runner ups, so we could see some classic ties drawn:

Barca: AC Milan, Arsenal, Bayern Munich, Liverpool, Lyon or Man Utd

Inter: Arsenal, Chelsea, Liverpool, Lyon, Man Utd or Valencia

Real: AC Milan, Arsenal, Chelsea, Bayern Munich, Liverpool or Man Utd

I don't know who has it harder, Barca or Real. Lyon and Chelsea are both horrible teams to draw, so I guess it's about even.

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The UEFA Cup isn't actually done with its dumbass group stage just yet, that'll be over tonight, but we can fill in most teams.

Basically if you topped the group you play third place from another group, if you came second in the group you play the third place CL teams. Can't play teams from the same country again.

CL 3rd place:

AEK Athens (Gre)
Benfica (Por)
Bordeaux (Fra)
CSKA Moscow (Rus)
Shakhtar (Ukr)
Spartak Moscow (Rus)
Steaua Bucharest (Rom)
Werder Bremen (Ger)

vs.

UEFA 2nd place:

Ajax (Ned)
Celta Vigo (Spa)
Maccabi Haifa (Isr)
Nancy (Fra)
PSG (Fra)

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UEFA 1st place:

Blackburn (Eng)
Espanyol (Spa)
Newcastle (Eng)
Panathinaikos (Gre)
Parma (Ita)

vs.

UEFA 3rd place:

Fenerbahçe (Tur)
Feyenoord (Ned)
H. Tel-Aviv (Isr)
Zulte Waregem (Bel)

With Rangers and Spurs having every chance of topping their groups too and certainly qualified...go Britain all round.

...well, except West Ham. You have to ruin everything!
 
:lol @Liverpool's Christmas Party

Gerrard
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Zenden
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Garcia
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Kuyt
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Dudek
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Crouch
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Carragher
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Agger
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Pennant
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Fowler
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I think Carragher made that costume himself an hour before leaving for the party.
 
though probably not many Gooners would agree with me, I would love it Arsenal got Barcelona next round.

I don't think they are unbeatable at all if we have two good days, so the sooner we kick them out the better :D

pictures are great btw :lol
 
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