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[Ninja Scooter]

If that is the case, then more power to him. When the Astros shell out the money they did for Lee, why not go after Andy?

because Andy isn't that good of a pitcher anymore. He's gonna get destroyed (along with the hopes and dreams of Stankee fans) in the AL East next year. Even though they stupidly overpaid for Lee, its good to see a team not overpay and raise the market just because other GMs do.

 

[Triumph]

Braves don't know the meaning of an impact move. As a fan of theirs why should you?:lol

Seriously, I can't wait for the Mets to obliterate your team again.

Lolz. Whatever, man. I look at our team and there's no reason now for it not to be better in every aspect: hitting, fielding, starting and especially relief pitching. I look at your team and see that your two rotation anchors are over 40, Pedro's shoulder is the consistency of spaghetti, and you signed an injury risk (Alou) to take over for an injury risk (Floyd).

We should be better this year and you should be worse. Have fun losing many avatar bets to me. I'm going to make you wear leather bondage guys with Rocker's head photoshopped onto them all season.

 

[Matrix]

what the shit :lol
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/hotstove06/columns/story?columnist=stark_jayson&id=2691543

"Why? Good question. The buzz around baseball is that MLB officials -- particularly commissioner Bud Selig -- weren't happy with the Astros for giving $100 million over six years to free agent Carlos Lee. So owner Drayton McLane might be trying to placate MLB's hard-liners by attempting to hold down the rest of his payroll."

 

[Miguel]

what the shit :lol
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/hotstove06/columns/story?columnist=stark_jayson&id=2691543

"Why? Good question. The buzz around baseball is that MLB officials -- particularly commissioner Bud Selig -- weren't happy with the Astros for giving $100 million over six years to free agent Carlos Lee. So owner Drayton McLane might be trying to placate MLB's hard-liners by attempting to hold down the rest of his payroll."

WTF...? MLB trying to hold the brown man down.

 

[Y2Kev]

Braves don't know the meaning of an impact move. As a fan of theirs why should you?:lol

Seriously, I can't wait for the Mets to obliterate your team again.

So you have city Pavano and city Wright means you overpay for a possibly city Pettitte? Just because Meche got stupid money doesn't mean you give Andy stupid money. Heck, Andy saw the writing on the wall and was probably bailing out anyway. Why give him that much?

A)He improves the Yankees even if you want to frame him as a city shell of his former self, which he may or may not be (is not relevant)
B)He does not saddle us with a four, five, six, or seven year deal as Barry Zito would have
C)We have lots of money.
D)We did not have to give up prospects.

It's an excellent signing from every angle. The Yankees need to learn to use their one resource wisely and start using it to augment why we were so good during the dynasty. And I think Cashman gets that.

I think.

I mean, in the absolute worst case scenario, we can send city pavano to the Mets for Julio Franco, who can clean the toilets or something.

 

[siamesedreamer]

I'm going to make you wear leather bondage guys with Rocker's head photoshopped onto them all season.

TASTY

 

[Mashing]

what the shit :lol
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/hotstove06/columns/story?columnist=stark_jayson&id=2691543

"Why? Good question. The buzz around baseball is that MLB officials -- particularly commissioner Bud Selig -- weren't happy with the Astros for giving $100 million over six years to free agent Carlos Lee. So owner Drayton McLane might be trying to placate MLB's hard-liners by attempting to hold down the rest of his payroll."

What the **** is this shit? [/picard]

*sorry, I don't have the image saved.

 

[The Frankman]

Hey, I don't hate the move. Pettitte is one of the few Yanks I respect. But $16 million?? How does Otto von Steinbrenner justify not signing him before.

A)He improves the Yankees even if you want to frame him as a city shell of his former self, which he may or may not be (is not relevant)

For $16 mill it's VERY relevant. You paid that money for a guy who'll get you minimum 16 wins I'd think.

B)He does not saddle us with a four, five, six, or seven year deal as Barry Zito would have

True. But you also have young pitching and Igawa who could take his spot. Now what?

C)We have lots of money.

... I hate that line of reasoning. Money does not equal quality, but it's a good estimate.

D)We did not have to give up prospects.

See the first reason.

And city Pavano + Rick Peterson = 17-8. BELIEVE IT!!

We should be better this year and you should be worse. Have fun losing many avatar bets to me. I'm going to make you wear leather bondage guys with Rocker's head photoshopped onto them all season.

Why do you want to even GO there? I'll have you eating Japanese animation for breakfast, and flossing with DeGeneration Mets. I'm trying to help you out, pal. I want to see a strong Braves team so when the Mets destroy Atlanta in late July so I can taste the Atlanta fans despair. Captmcblack learned this, why won't you?

 

[Y2Kev]

16 million is not relevant. We could pay him 40 million. Who gives a shit? You're in the NL...what do you care?

 

[The Frankman]

16 million is not relevant. We could pay him 40 million. Who gives a shit? You're in the NL...what do you care?

One team overspending can have a cascade effect. Several kills a system. Next thing you know Zito thinks he's a $100 million guy. And I would hate to see the Yankee masses turn on Pettitte when they find out he isn't 2002 Pettitte.

 

[Joe]

HOUSTON.....WE HAVE A PROBLEM

 

[Eminem]

because Andy isn't that good of a pitcher anymore. He's gonna get destroyed (along with the hopes and dreams of Stankee fans) in the AL East next year. Even though they stupidly overpaid for Lee, its good to see a team not overpay and raise the market just because other GMs do.

But he was the best pitcher available. Barring a trade, he was the best option. I mean christ, should the Yanks have spent $5 mil less to get Gil ****ing Meche?
In this market, this is a great signing. I mean, Zito would command the same price, but he wants 4-5 years. I'm not sure what you expect out of the Yankees in this situation. This ridiculous market makes this signing even better.





oh, and this:

The White Sox and right-handed pitcher Mike MacDougal agreed to terms on a three-year, $6.45 million contract with a club option for 2010 on Friday, successfully avoiding arbitration.

Very good deal

 

[The Frankman]

But he was the best pitcher available. Barring a trade, he was the best option. I mean christ, should the Yanks have spent $5 mil less to get Gil ****ing Meche?
In this market, this is a great signing. I mean, Zito would command the same price, but he wants 4-5 years. I'm not sure what you expect out of the Yankees in this situation. This ridiculous market makes this signing even better.

I think Yanks could've made do with Igawa and Pavano. I mean Pavano HAS to pitch well sometime, right? Why pay a ton for a 11-13 win pitcher w/ a 4.5 ERA (projected numbers)?

 

[Eminem]

I think Yanks could've made do with Igawa and Pavano. I mean Pavano HAS to pitch well sometime, right? Why pay a ton for a 11-13 win pitcher w/ a 4.5 ERA (projected numbers)?

Pavano injured his hand looking up rumors on the internet



e: oh, and Igawa is basically supposed to be a complete junkballer. He's a 4 or 5 starter in the league according to the people that scouted him. Andy is at least better than that, and again it's only one year where Igawa is gonna get probably 3, and if he's a bust they're stuck with him.

One team overspending can have a cascade effect. Several kills a system. Next thing you know Zito thinks he's a $100 million guy.

:lol I didn't see this before, but Zito will get close to 100. If I had to guess in this market, I'd say someone will give him 5/85
If he stays in the AL, that is gonna be so great

 

[The Frankman]

Pavano injured his hand looking up rumors on the internet

e: oh, and Igawa is basically supposed to be a complete junkballer. He's a 4 or 5 starter in the league according to the people that scouted him. Andy is at least better than that, and again it's only one year where Igawa is gonna get probably 3, and if he's a bust they're stuck with him.

Aww, I bet Igawa will be fine. The Mets have had so many Japanese pitchers, and watching them over the years they always give a pro effort. He throes harder than Masato Yoshii and he's lefty. BONUS.

:lol I didn't see this before, but Zito will get close to 100. If I had to guess in this market, I'd say someone will give him 5/85
If he stays in the AL, that is gonna be so great

...

Randolph: "YOU TOLD ME THE BRAINWASHING WOULD WORK!!!"
Peterson: "Goddamnit, operate Plan B . . . B for beat the shizz out of Boras."

 

[pollo]

Baseball season can't come soon enough

 

[Eminem]

Aww, I bet Igawa will be fine. The Mets have had so many Japanese pitchers, and watching them over the years they always give a pro effort. He throes harder than Masato Yoshii and he's lefty. BONUS.

Oh don't get me wrong, having a junkballing lefty that no batter has seen before as your fourth or fifth starter is pretty great.
But Andy can handle the NY media and he he's a much smaller risk. Even if he does get hurt, it's only this one year.
Igawa is gonna be there for a few years. He has the potential to be the anti-Wang. Not saying he will be or anything, only that he's more likely to be a waste of money than Andy.


This is pretty astounding:

The clubs proved once and for all that they are responsible for all the money spent on players, that it is their fault the sport keeps bobbing and weaving through this fiscal crisis and that anyone who still thinks this is the players' fault is simply choosing to be a fool.

Put another way, if the Bonds deal is done, 23 teams will have combined to sign 68 free agents to 154 years worth of service time for $1,156,770,000.

 

[Y2Kev]

The only people who hate this deal are Mets fans who are jealous they aren't allowed to sign Andy because he isn't Latino, and Astros fans for understandable reasons.

 

[Eminem]

The only people who hate this deal are Mets fans who are jealous they aren't allowed to sign Andy because he isn't Latino

:lol :lol



In todays NY Post George King speculates the yankees could be interested in Mientkiewicz for 1B and RHRP Dustin Hermanson if his medical reports look ok.

I actually wish we resigned Hermanson with an incentive deal. For being an aged pitcher, he still can get a lot of people out.

 

[Eminem]

Espn.com is reporting that the Cubs have actually signed Marquis to that 3-year deal. Confliting reports between $20 million and $28 million.


Jesus wow. I can't say I'm not a bit jealous(edit: not about Marquis, but the Trib Co. going balls to the wall this offseason). About time Trib Co. you dicks.

 

[siamesedreamer]

OMG

A Met fan complaining about a FA signing........sheesh.

 

[The Frankman]

OMG

A Met fan complaining about a FA signing........sheesh.

Name a ridiculous signing where it wasn't understood why they paid a FA in the last 4 years. Don't even say C-Belt, because he laid the foundation for Delgado and other FAs. And the fact he nearly won a MVP by facing the Braves this season.

 

[Eminem]

Name a ridiculous signing where it wasn't understood why they paid a FA in the last 4 years.

Carlos Be - oh shit

Beltre comes to mind (lol contract year)

edit: Sexson to a lesser extent

 

[Y2Kev]

Carlos Be - oh shit

Beltre comes to mind (lol contract year)

edit: Sexson to a lesser extent

[gammons]DARREN DREIFORT GOT 55 MILLION DOLLARS FOR 9 WINS. DID YOU HEAR ABOUT THIS? DID YOU KNOW THIS? DID YOU? WELL HE DID. YEP, 55 MILLION FOR NINE WINS. HE DID. THAT'S LIKE 6 MILLION PER WIN. DID YOU HEAR ABOUT THAT? DID YOU? WELL HE GOT 55 MILLION.[/gammons]

 

[The Frankman]

uum, a FA METS signing?

 

[Y2Kev]

Are you calling him C-Belt now?

Jesus Christ.

 

[Triumph]

uum, a FA METS signing?

"Wassup my tenderoni?"

 

[The Frankman]

Are you calling him C-Belt now?

Jesus Christ.

Okay, I'll suggest some new nicks:

The Belt Parkway Bomber
Fat Elvis' Worst Nightmare
SUPERTRAAAANNN
SmoltzKiller4Life
Rico Suave
Carlos No.1

"Wassup my tenderoni?"

I said FOUR YEARS!!! *checks calendar*

Dammit, I should've said 3 years...

 

[Eminem]

uum, a FA METS signing?

Sorry, you didn't articulate that very well, and I guess I diidn't catch onto the context

 

[The Frankman]

Yeah, my bad. It's so strange to word posts without using some animated

Spoiler

Japanese anime

image or .gif. But no one's aggroing me so there's no real point in bringing out the heavy artillery.

give me a reason, people!!

EDIT: Tigers sign Brandon Inge to a 4 yr, $24 extension. There's a good deal.

 

[Eminem]

EDIT: Tigers sign Brandon Inge to a 4 yr, $24 extension. There's a good deal.

Oh man Crede is gonna get so much next year =(


I love you Joe

 

[siamesedreamer]

The Pedro and Wagner deals have been SOOOOOOOOOOOOOO bad.........

 

[The Frankman]

The Pedro and Wagner deals have been SOOOOOOOOOOOOOO bad.........

... I nearly brought the ammunition until I saw the wink. Pedro helped take pressure off the rest of the staff and I honestly believe his philosophies have helped the other Mets pitchers. His deal is about the future more than baseball.

Wagner. HAVE YOU NOT LISTENED TO US FANS ALL YEAR??

"Billy is $$$

WOOOOOOOOO"

 

[Meier]

The Red Sox are no longer interested in closer Eric Gagne, but sources close to the negotiations said the Cleveland Indians and Texas Rangers have made offers of one year for close to $6 million.

Gagne rejected the Dodgers' offer of $4 million with performance incentives that could raise the total to $10 million.

This guy is a flat out cock. You owe everything to the Dodgers dude.. and you just got 10 million a year to sit on your ass. Not happy with him to say the least.

 

[Matrix]

HOUSTON.....WE HAVE A PROBLEM

Pleassssssse never type this again.

 

[rc213]

This guy is a flat out cock. You owe everything to the Dodgers dude.. and you just got 10 million a year to sit on your ass. Not happy with him to say the least.

What an asshat!!! I've got my batteries ready for when he comes to town!

 

[Joe]

andy's contract is actually 2 years. the 2nd year is a PLAYER option, also for $16 million.

 

[Matrix]

andy's contract is actually 2 years. the 2nd year is a PLAYER option, also for $16 million.

Yea thats why the Astros didnt sign him.

 

[siamesedreamer]

Billy is $$$

WOOOOOOOOO[/B]"

Except when it really counts. :lol

 

[Miguel]

Yea thats why the Astros didnt sign him.

:lol Matrix, did you see that the Hendricks bros were trying to make the Astros look bad?

Saying that they offered the Astros 14 mil a year, 2y, with the 2nd year being a player option, but that "Andy wouldn't take the 2nd year if he was injured"

Bullshiiiiit.

Astros didn't want to give a 2nd year. I think they would have given andy the 14 mil for 1 year if he would have taken it.

 

[Joe]

Yea thats why the Astros didnt sign him.

"We understand that Drayton McLane must be embarrassed, frustrated and disappointed by his failure in this transaction. Unlike the Yankees, he chose not to go the extra distance for his fans in Houston."

 

[NomarTyme]

The Red Sox are no longer interested in closer Eric Gagne, but sources close to the negotiations said the Cleveland Indians and Texas Rangers have made offers of one year for close to $6 million.

Gagne rejected the Dodgers' offer of $4 million with performance incentives that could raise the total to $10 million

F you! Gagne F you! thanks for f'ing us.

 

[Poody]

F you! Gagne F you! thanks for f'ing us.

The Dodgers gave Gagne 10 million including incentives and possibly an extension which is not bad at all. But I think Gagne knows he can't earn the 10 million because even though he says his injury is behind him and he feels healthier then he's been these past two years, he knows his injury hasn't fully healed and is not the same Gagne of old. Scott Boras knows this and probably told Gagne to sit back and collect your money from another team instead of earning it from the Dodgers.

But from a business standpoint, Boras knows the Dodgers would be the best place for Gagne to play- big market, and Game Over will make him loads of money from the Dodgers. I'm not upset as I should be but in the end baseball is a business.

 

[choc_cake]

Espn.com is reporting that the Cubs have actually signed Marquis to that 3-year deal. Confliting reports between $20 million and $28 million.


Jesus wow. I can't say I'm not a bit jealous(edit: not about Marquis, but the Trib Co. going balls to the wall this offseason). About time Trib Co. you dicks.

Jason Marquis is garbage and notice how he didn't pitch in the post season at all, there is a reason for that. That means the Cards should win more games now.

 

[The Frankman]

Jason Marquis is garbage and notice how he didn't pitch in the post season at all, there is a reason for that. That means the Cards should win more games now.

I actually agree with this man. Addition by subtraction.

 

[carlos]

Jason Marquis is garbage and notice how he didn't pitch in the post season at all, there is a reason for that. That means the Cards should win more games now.

Still, that garbage worked out well for the cards, I doubt they wouldve made it into the playoffs without the wins he compiled...

Anyways, you guys still got the best part of the deal; Marquis AND Wainwright for that no good bum JD Drew... wtf was Atlanta thinking....

 

[Matrix]

:lol Matrix, did you see that the Hendricks bros were trying to make the Astros look bad?

Saying that they offered the Astros 14 mil a year, 2y, with the 2nd year being a player option, but that "Andy wouldn't take the 2nd year if he was injured"

Bullshiiiiit.

Astros didn't want to give a 2nd year. I think they would have given andy the 14 mil for 1 year if he would have taken it.

Yea I saw that shit :lol

Andy's all about the money.

"It shocked me that (the Astros) would not continue to go up, when the Yankees continued to push and push and pursue and they (the Astros) really didn't do much," he said"

Injury prone,only pitches well for a half a season now and he's shocked we wouldnt get in a bidding war for him.

 

[Joe]

new gammons. and its not insider

the first half of the article is some good ol' fashioned yankee jerkin...
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/columns/story?id=2692259&lpos=spotlight&lid=tab1pos2

unless this was already posted?

 

[Y2Kev]

So, who wants Queen Pavano?

I'm pretty sure he'll be gone.

 

[siamesedreamer]

Pssstt.....

Giles might be non-tendered Tuesday.

Rumors have been circulating he's having "personal demons" problems (aka drinking) and nobody wants to give the Braves any talent for him. Appearently, he's fallen out of favor with Bobby as well.

The Baldelli rumors are still there, but nothing is imminent.