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Wellington said:
I agree that Hester is neither the fastest nor the most agile player in the NFL. He is a terrific player and one of the best at returning.
I believe he got that rating as a cop out. I truly believe that the Madden team had no other way to showcase his ability but to jack up his speed. I believe they should have showcased the Colts blocking and improve the way you control the person by adding subtle faking to get players off balance.
Who cares what they did the year before last. This prior season they did nothing. And im pretty sure the team is 99% the same as it was last year. So whats so different? You guys are healthy now? Every team gets injured. DeAngelo is now the featured back? Um..so? He is like Foster #2
Edit: Dont be mad because your JGar was a man named Chris Weinke
Edit: Dont be mad because your JGar was a man named Chris Weinke
soulja224466
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i wish the panthers would just go on and trade us kris jenkins for a 3rd and be done with it
I don't know how to feel yet about the Jenkins trade talk. His health was a concern going into the year, but I think they should let him stay for another year to see if he can maintain his Pro Bowl form. If they should be shopping anybody around, it'd be Dan Morgan.
As far as Delhomme goes, it's basically his job to lose now compared to last season when he didn't have somebody breathing down his neck. If he comes anywhere close to the inconsistent stuff he did last year, it's David Carr all the way.
As far as Delhomme goes, it's basically his job to lose now compared to last season when he didn't have somebody breathing down his neck. If he comes anywhere close to the inconsistent stuff he did last year, it's David Carr all the way.
Wow...great way to ignore the question. I'm guessing your an Eagles fan. You're a fan of the team who couldn't do shit with the most overrated QB in the NFL. Instead, you actually do something with a supposedly washed up backup QB.ColdBlooded33 said:
Every team gets injured, but not every team has their entire O-Line injured at some point or another. Williams has potential to be one of the best backs in the NFL. He had a hell of a rookie season. He flew under the radar and had a very solid season. He'll do even better this year with a possible Pro Bowl experience.
But yeah, you ignore the Panthers and continue to worship your Eagles that choked not one, not two, not even three but four years in a row and could not win a championship despite all of the chances.
Yeah so lets do this point by point
Most overrated QB? i shouldnt even have to address this. but lets go for it. Year after year he puts up pro bowl numbers with absolute shit around him. One of the highest winning %s for any QB in NFL History. 2 to 1 TD to INT Ratio. Tied with Steve Young for only QB's in NFL HISTORY to pull it off. And this is with teams knowing we're passing.
Now, Talking about JGar. We started winning because we actually ran the ball, not trusting JGar's arm. Very smart move that we should have had made earlier. Id say that falls under shitty play calling from Andy Reid. According to you, thats a valid excuse, so we'll move on.
DeAngelo Had an OK season. 4 yard average. I guess Correll Buckhalter is well on his way to a pro-bowl also then...
So what if we havent won yet. all it takes is one to erase that. Look at Peyton.
All that said we have a much better chance of going much further. We have a better team in a weaker division. Have fun watching Drew Brees Carve up your defense and watching the Carr era debut in Carolina
Most overrated QB? i shouldnt even have to address this. but lets go for it. Year after year he puts up pro bowl numbers with absolute shit around him. One of the highest winning %s for any QB in NFL History. 2 to 1 TD to INT Ratio. Tied with Steve Young for only QB's in NFL HISTORY to pull it off. And this is with teams knowing we're passing.
Now, Talking about JGar. We started winning because we actually ran the ball, not trusting JGar's arm. Very smart move that we should have had made earlier. Id say that falls under shitty play calling from Andy Reid. According to you, thats a valid excuse, so we'll move on.
DeAngelo Had an OK season. 4 yard average. I guess Correll Buckhalter is well on his way to a pro-bowl also then...
So what if we havent won yet. all it takes is one to erase that. Look at Peyton.
All that said we have a much better chance of going much further. We have a better team in a weaker division. Have fun watching Drew Brees Carve up your defense and watching the Carr era debut in Carolina
storybook77
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Triumph Dolomite 1300cc said:
He is the Bishoptl of the NFL! :lol
andthebeatgoeson
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A little too much for Pacman since he has no convictions? NFLPA won't stand for it. I agree you need a stronger policy but it has to be based on convictions, right? What are Pacman's convictions?
andthebeatgoeson
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Still, he just lost a year of pay w/o a conviction. He's a derelict but if this is the precedent they want to set, where just being involved in a legal process w/o a conviction, the rest of the players are prime targets. Just for being around. No company in the world could fire you w/o a conviction unless it hurts your performance or you are a public figure.Slo said:
Pacman seems to be dumb not for his legal troubles but because he needs better lawyers. Goodall just wants to make a point. I've been searching and I don't see a single conviction against Pacman. Yeah, he's a derelict and we need a stronger program. But, hell, Tank got convicted and he's not being suspended, right? Am I missing something?
andthebeatgoeson
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Tamanon said:
For a year? It seems more like Goodall just wants to make an example of this.
What's wrong with a 3 strike rule. A felony conviction is one strike. 2 misdemeanors equal a felony or something. Not every conviction is equal. Or something. I'm not a lawyer but the NFL has plenty. Each strike gets you a game suspension. 3 gets you a year or half a year. Trust me, half a year suspension is enough to get their attention. I even haven't looked at Chris Henry but I remember he had some convictions.
I guess my question is without a conviction, could a player get suspended for a year, just by being in the wrong place at the wrong time? They are marked men. Women have sex with them, then claim rape. Plenty of other derelicts harrass them just because they are celebrities.
andthebeatgoeson
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Ok, I thought about that but really, public figures more or less just lose endorsments. Still, if you were a player and 10 women falsly claimed you raped them, then this policy would seemingly lead them to suspend you. I'm just saying, I would be severly disappointed if the NFLPA didn't challenge this. Yes, I think Pacman is a douche but I think NFL players get the shit end of the stick. At some point, the NFLPA has to recognize that the players are the product, they are placed under higher scrutiny, don't have the guaranteed contracts afforded to baseball and basketball players and now are facing a harsher policy that can take away the entire year w/o any convictions.Tamanon said:
Will the NFLPA grow some balls? If they don't, does this lend more credence to Bryant Gumble's comments that the head of the NFLPA was the lap dog to Paul Tags?
skinnyrattler said:
A FELONY is only 1 strike?! :lol
Seriously, the way it should be, in any sport, is that any criminal activity by a player is instant suspension, with further penalties including lifetime ban from the sport if the player continues committing crimes. Pacman Jones, conviction or not, deserves what he's getting. These guys need a wake up call. The NFL lets a lot of shit go unnoticed (or tries to help cover it up) already...the commish is probably just doing this to make the NFL look good, but as I said, Pacman deserves it and hopefully it will have the right kind of deterrence some players need.
andthebeatgoeson
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Funny, I would love this policy implimented in the regular work place. One arrest and no conviction would be enough to give you a two week break with no pay. I wonder how you would feel about that.LiveWire said:
And yes, a felony should be one strike. Maybe murder and capital offenses would be more but seriously, I see a lot of people frustrated with the situation and wanting to just suspend everybody. Chris Henry got arrested for driving w/o a license. Is that enough to suspend anyone? Is that really causing a problem. I think the NFL and everybody needs to have a strong and fair policy about behavior. Not every conviction is equal. Drunk driving should cause a reaction. Hitting a woman should cause a reaction and suspension. Driving w/o a license or suspended license should not cause a suspension. I think people are misdirecting their anger onto Pacman. Chris Henry has a few suspensions but Pacman does not. Does it make sense Pacman gets a year sentence? No. When was the last time any player in any of the 4 professional sports got a year suspension. All the other sports have more games, so when was the last player to get suspended for 41 NBA games or 81 baseball games? And what were they suspended for? Fighting with fans? Trying to break a players neck with a cheap shot? Do multiple charges w/o a conviction rise to that level? Are we gonna just forget innocent til proven guilty in this country because the games are played on Monday night? I thought the constitution applied to everybody in this country.
It's ridiculous to me.
andthebeatgoeson
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Funny, if you were in Pacman's shoes, your company wouldn't fire you until you were convicted and you would have a great case to argue if your company did prematurely fire you.SonnyBoy said:
nearly everybody knows I'm a huge Bengals fan, but I don't disagree with this new policy at all even though it takes out the guy who's like the Bengals' version of Randy Moss during the Cris Carter/Randy Moss era in Minnesota.
The old policy was retarded. You got treated the same for being .01 over the limit and getting a DUI as you did for selling crack, and they only took into account the number of offenses you had. Now if you do a really serious crime you get smacked down by it, hard, while if you do a lesser offense you'll get a weaker penalty. Now it's a lot more like equal punishment for equal crimes.
I'm just hoping something similar happens to Tank Johnson too, not because of any ill will towards Bears fans, but I don't want to see them ignoring a player's crimes just because they were on a playoff team.
The old policy was retarded. You got treated the same for being .01 over the limit and getting a DUI as you did for selling crack, and they only took into account the number of offenses you had. Now if you do a really serious crime you get smacked down by it, hard, while if you do a lesser offense you'll get a weaker penalty. Now it's a lot more like equal punishment for equal crimes.
I'm just hoping something similar happens to Tank Johnson too, not because of any ill will towards Bears fans, but I don't want to see them ignoring a player's crimes just because they were on a playoff team.
skinnyrattler said:
Doesn't matter if he's convicted or not. It's CONDUCT. That's what matters. NFLPA has signed off on the new policy as well. They're quite behind it. If ESPN is to be believed (yeah, I know) it was said that 80% of the players wanted Pacman outfight banned from the league. This is looking like, 1 strike and you could be done. That's just fine for me. Good for them.
These players in all of the leagues are living out DREAMS. There shouldn't be one thought, not ONE thought of ****ing it all up.
skinnyrattler said:
unless every major sports outlet is incorrect, you're dead wrong. Not only does the NFLPA not oppose it, it's widely believe that they support and Gene Upshaw even pushed for the 1 year ban. Most players feel these guys are tarnishing their image, and want them to be harshly punished for it.
soulja224466
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ouch, one year without pay?
seems a little harsh considering he hasn't been convicted of anything yet.
seems a little harsh considering he hasn't been convicted of anything yet.
soulja224466
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Kintaro said:
im not trying to defend him by any means. i dont know the extent of his past legal troubles, but it just seems excessive to me since hes never actually been convicted. at least wait until he is before handing out punishment.
Ninja Scooter
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soulja224466 said:
it it walks like a duck and talks like a duck...you can only play the 'wrong place at the wrong time' card once, maybe twice. Pacman's just a ****ing moron.
Yeah, I don't really get why people are acting shocked or siding with the players on this. It's not like it was ONE incident that prompted the Rog's action on either player; both have a pretty well established history of ****ing up and running afoul of the law. They got what they deserved.
Tank Johnson should also be suspended for at least half a season.
Tank Johnson should also be suspended for at least half a season.
andthebeatgoeson
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What about Joey Porter? It sounds like he was a pussy. I say if he attacks another NFL player, he should get a one game suspension. Nothing like a pussy who needs 6 people just to fight to make me pissed. He needs a suspension. **** it, let's keep rolling down the line. Who else?Nerevar said:
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keep your strippers out of my American football
Tamanon said:Well considering he was trying to take the money back after the rain, I think it's better if he doesn't try it again. He clearly doesn't get the concept.
That is the dumbest part of the story. I would love to hear Pacman's explanation for that.
Tank needs to get suspended as well. There is no way he shouldn't.
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