I think I just finally figured out the reason Apple had to hack Time Machine to reject Airport Disk shares: if the connection is abruptly lost during backup, there's probably about a 33% chance that the backup DB itself becomes entirely corrupted. I had to wipe it out and start all over again on one of my three Macs when the Airport crashed after having unplugged my MacBook's ethernet cord.
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It might be good to know that a ton of the OS X-critical apps have been moved to /System/Library/CoreServices. In order to assign spaces for Screen Sharing Utility and Finder I had to browse out there. Pro-tip: manually set up Finder to appear on all spaces so that file-transfer progress doesn't disappear and trick you into thinking a transfer is done when it isn't.
Penny-arcade and the Big Ten College Football scoreboard at ESPN.com
Sullichin said:
Penny-arcade and the Big Ten College Football scoreboard at ESPN.com
Napoleonthechimp
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I want a mac so much it hurts... I must have new gadgets!
infiniteloop
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Juice said:
Yeah, that'll show iDisk on the desktop
Kung Fu Jedi
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Sullichin said:
I was creating one for a website that has great deals on outdoor gear, but only has one item at a time, and it changes rapidly. I thought it would be a great way to keep track of the latest deal, but it takes up a lot of space on my Dashboard, which already has several widgets running. So, I need to come up with a better way to approach it.
Edit: By the way, it might just be my imagination, but it seems like Safari is much faster. I've been running Safari 3 Beta, but this version with Leopard seems to be pretty fast.
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I'd rather have something I could make the most use out of like a macbook, the macbook pro's are way too expensive.f_elz said:
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Juice said:
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White Man said:
well that sums it up for me. I'll wait till maybe March of '08 or so when they announce some fixes for it. still looks cool but I'll hold off.
Alright. If you're using Time Machine over a network drive, Airport Disk or not, it's beginning to feel pretty much pre-alpha at this point. Any of the following situations have caused backups to become corrupted, disappear, or (worst!) trigger a second backup of the entire drive. I've got an iBook with 10GB of stuff on the drive whose Time Machine repo is like 80GB because Time Machine is failing to properly catalog differences in files and does a full backup every hour.
My brief experience with USB is fine. If you're planning on backing up over a network, don't even think of:
- Making the network disk unavailable during a backup
- Manually triggering a back-up of multiple machines on the same disk (the others will just hang forever while the first backs up, it seems)
- Hell: using the same disk for multiple machines at all.
- Doing it with an Airport
- Don't ever think of trying the "Browse other Time Machine disks..." feature, at least not if you're me. Not only does the UI make no sense (what directory am I looking at? etc.), but it's slow and choppy and managed to kill a third Mac in the middle of a backup on the same disk with a kernel panic
Apparently I'm just too much of a pro user for my own good.
My brief experience with USB is fine. If you're planning on backing up over a network, don't even think of:
- Making the network disk unavailable during a backup
- Manually triggering a back-up of multiple machines on the same disk (the others will just hang forever while the first backs up, it seems)
- Hell: using the same disk for multiple machines at all.
- Doing it with an Airport
- Don't ever think of trying the "Browse other Time Machine disks..." feature, at least not if you're me. Not only does the UI make no sense (what directory am I looking at? etc.), but it's slow and choppy and managed to kill a third Mac in the middle of a backup on the same disk with a kernel panic
Apparently I'm just too much of a pro user for my own good.
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ckohler said:
As I said in my post, which he was referring to, I was using Safari 3 Beta and now I'm using the version that ships with Leopard. Feels much faster. Of course, I used Safari 2 before all of that as well.
infiniteloop
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Yeah, Safari is great compared to 3beta on tiger (which wasn't bad to begin with)
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I'm taking a leaf out of Steve Jobs' book and using the National Geographic Photo of the Day. Also the Premier League table from the BBC Sport pages.Sullichin said:
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I just finished installing it on my Macbook with 2GB of memory.
It is so fucking fast.
It is so fucking fast.
For some reason my web clips aren't working. I can select something, and then when I click "Add" in Safari it brings up my dashboard and nothing happens.
Oh well, I guess it'll be ironed out eventually. I do like the idea of having the weather.com 36 hour forecast as a webclip though.
Oh well, I guess it'll be ironed out eventually. I do like the idea of having the weather.com 36 hour forecast as a webclip though.
Burger
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Installed it last night on my MBP, absolutely amazing.
The most polished, gorgeous and fastest operating system I've ever used. Using my mac is a pleasure, not an exercise in frustration like my old PC's.
My god I just looked at the new dictionary. Incredible. The wikipedia integration is phenomenal.
The most polished, gorgeous and fastest operating system I've ever used. Using my mac is a pleasure, not an exercise in frustration like my old PC's.
My god I just looked at the new dictionary. Incredible. The wikipedia integration is phenomenal.
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I really dig the "find" command within Safari webpages. The highlighting of each instance of the search terms as you scroll through the choices is REAL handy, makes it easier to find what you're looking for. Plus having them all shown at once (with the background page dimmed) is a VERY nice touch.
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I've been an avid user of PF since I got my Mac and I'm going to try the Leopard finder to see if it meets my needs. The enhanced sidebar helps a lot as do the breadcrumbs feature which I use a ton.
PF always felt like it lagged my system a little bit. Plus I didn't like how it tried to coexist with the regular Finder, I wish there is a way to just disable Finder and use Path Finder.
As for how PF works in Leopard, I haven't really tried yet. I loaded it up once to see if it even worked and it does but then I closed it to wean myself away from it.
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Speaking of honour system (honor, fine), my friend is a big Apple fiend but he wants to test out Leopard on his Macbook before he grabs a copy. If I lent him my purchased copy and install it on his rig, is it going to screw with my installation (like some invisible activation scheme)?
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Dez said:
Thanks. My friend is going to go batshit now.
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Akia said:
Yes.
Sullichin said:
It creates a separate folder called Previous System with the original System folder contents, as well as having the option to preserve user accounts and network settings; thiss does take some extra HDD space though. Like I said on the previous page, it's under the Options button during the installation process (on the 2nd screen IIRC). You may have also missed the Customize option as well, which lets you scale back on some of the things that get installed (X11, Additional Language Support, Printer Drivers, etc), which can save a good chunk of space if you're sure you'll never use those features.
I just finally got Leopard myself and I'm stoked to run it through the paces.
Juice said:
Yeah, I did have that checked, it just took a while to show up. Indexing or something, maybe?
Still no dice on my Not Seeing Windows Machines issues. Going by the Apple support forums, this is apparently a somewhat common problem. Difficult to believe something so basic could slip by. The version of SMB this requires worked fine in 10.4, and it's not like SMB has changed at all. In like a decade.
But then again, all evidence shows this is likely not an SMB issue, but a problem with Finder (which means we may wait a while for a fix). I can still access my machines, I just can't see them.
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infiniteloop said:
It launches fairly quickly, but my GIF animation speeds seem to be slower. Anyone else have this issue?
Since my sister's laptop is acting up, she wants to borrow my MBP to take her finals on it. The only problem is that her school strongly advises against using Leopard until they've gotten a chance to properly test it with their test-taking software. If I install Leopard now and use Time Machine to back my stuff up, can I just reformat my computer and install Tiger from the 2 disks that came with the computer so she can take her finals and then reinstall Leopard and copy the files back over using Time Machine?
Yeah, are any of the "upgraders" having issues?Sullichin said:
Ironically, it seems that clean install or archive & install folks are having the most problems. I was going to do an archive & install, but now I may just go for a simple upgrade. Probably waiting for 10.5.1 though...
Is Web Clip working for anyone else?
It shows the "add" part in Safari and lets me pick my selection, and then it activates Dashboard, but the widget it was supposed to create just doesn't appear at all. I've tried this one two Macs now both the same result.
edit: works fine on iMac G5, not my Intel Macs...weird.
It shows the "add" part in Safari and lets me pick my selection, and then it activates Dashboard, but the widget it was supposed to create just doesn't appear at all. I've tried this one two Macs now both the same result.
edit: works fine on iMac G5, not my Intel Macs...weird.
Kung Fu Jedi
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Sean said:
Hmm... odd. Working fine on my MacBook.
Okay, is there any way I can set up a named server as a favorite or something, so it ALWAYS shows up in the lefthand pane of Finder, even if it OSX hasn't discovered it via its own volition? My other machines seem to be found find with the Go. . .command, so I can connect to them via that way. It's just a pain in the ass to do that every time I want to connect to them.
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Dude change your tag. It's much too long and I hate the huge blank spaces left in your messages.White Man said:
White Man said:
I made my three airport disks login items on the account pref pane. Two of them show up in the devices section of the left pane. Third one doesn't... *shrug*
This weekend has reminded me thoroughly how buggy Tiger was on day one.
Now I'm remembering that Tiger wasn't really stable until 10.4.6.
*sigh*
http://www.tuaw.com/2007/10/27/login-and-keychain-update-1-0/
Leopard users: first update! Apparently Apple forgot to include support of meaningful passwords longer than 8 characters (talk about UNIX certified!).
Leopard users: first update! Apparently Apple forgot to include support of meaningful passwords longer than 8 characters (talk about UNIX certified!).
Juice said:
Awesome. That will get the job done until things are patched. If I couldn't find a convenient solution for that, I would have probably just ended up praying for fast patches. Now I could at least get things set up.
Oh, maybe you would know this--has anyone begun to compile a list of apps that have issues, or work differently in Leopard? Like I saw the Quicksilver thing mentioned before (is Butler working fine? Butler > Quicksilver anyway, as long as you don't mind the fiddly configurationprocess). I am mainly worried about all my precious precious video encoding stuff, since a lot of that is made by OSS people that put off fixing things until the last possible moment and then waiting another 6 months. My Apple and Adobe stuff and the like should all be working well, I guess.
Anyway, cool, I feel much better knowing that I can start setting things up without fear of being able to have the MacBook Pro integrated into my network, even if the solution is a workaround for a pretty blatant problem. I'm going to hold off on installing Leopard on the Mac Pro for now, which means, well, not booting into Tiger since I am sure it will tell me my Boot Camp is expired and I use Windows plenty on that. Patch quickly, Apple!
Also, general speed is much faster in most things, which kind of surprised me. I mean, I'd heard of that with past new versions of OSX, but I kinda thought people were talking out of their ass.
I guess this whole thang just irked me a weeeeee bit because I didn't jump on 10.4 until the Intel launch, so I bet most of the major software issues had long since been ironed out by then.
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