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For as much as I want to get hype, It sounds like WB is just gutting the film way too much. Its not about the PG13 rating, since it is true that allot of PG13 films can get away with so much more then previous and the worst I see that being is similar to Die Hard 4, where they cut out some of the swearing and remove some of blood.

Its the cutting down the time of the movie. It seems like after Watchmen bombed, they just don't have faith in this anymore. They want to make this as short as possible. =[
 
shintoki said:
For as much as I want to get hype, It sounds like WB is just gutting the film way too much. Its not about the PG13 rating, since it is true that allot of PG13 films can get away with so much more then previous and the worst I see that being is similar to Die Hard 4, where they cut out some of the swearing and remove some of blood.

Its the cutting down the time of the movie. It seems like after Watchmen bombed, they just don't have faith in this anymore. They want to make this as short as possible. =[
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Youd have a point if the movie was 90 minutes (lol fox)

Its only 10-15 minutes shorter than a runtime that was said 8 or so months ago...its not that big of a deal, and at 115 minute its still the 2nd longest Terminator movie.

I'll be pretty bummed if the movie sucks, but nothing that I have seen so far says to me that it is remotely bad.
 
OK that 4 minute clip is freakin' awesome and brought my excitement for this movie up a whole lot. Damn... I can't wait!
 
I have to say I'm really disappointed by the snippets of the score we got in that 4 minute preview. Also the shot that shows the T-800 slamming into the ground looked ridiculously fake - like it had no weight to it.

Otherwise looks like a fun action movie.
 
The new footage was pretty bad and anticlimatic. :\

The editing of the trailer was incredible, but this? Felt lke I watched the whole thing. I've got Die Hard 4.0 vibe too.

Hype down.
 
Scullibundo said:
I have to say I'm really disappointed by the snippets of the score we got in that 4 minute preview. Also the shot that shows the T-800 slamming into the ground looked ridiculously fake - like it had no weight to it.

Otherwise looks like a fun action movie.
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That's not the score. Elfman music is recognizable from a mile away.
 
Yes I can. Just don't kill me if you can't resist spoiler tags. Oh and Guzim, he liked it but was a bit picky about certain scenes including the first 5 minutes and the last 5 minutes. He gave it 6.5/10

NOTE: Major spoilers = Bold, Underlined and Italicized.

Hey guys. I wrote in a month ago about Bruno and figured I’d contribute again with an early Terminator review. Once again, I’ll do a “the good, the bad, and the rest” format since it made it easy for me to get my thoughts down last time. If you want my overall thoughts, just skip to the end.

The Good:

Sam Worthington. He was really cool. He’s getting promoted for this, what, barely at all? He’s pretty much the lead here, but he’s not as big of a name as Bale so he doesn’t get nearly as much press. But he’s good. I liked watching his performance. He pulls off the Han Solo “tough guy with a heart” act really well. It was fun.

The kid that played Kyle Reese. Not nearly as irritating as Eddie Furlong, if at all. He did a good job with this.

Some of the action scenes. There are some HUGE explosions that Michael Bay would be proud of.

Some good scare and thrill moments with the terminators.

MINOR SPOILER
--- Arnold. Fit perfectly, and not gratuitous at all. Really well done, and brought a smile to my face. ---
END SPOILER

FX were right on for the most part. They rarely looked cheesy or fake, and they were believable and extraordinary at the same time.

The Terminators themselves. Badass. Especially the big T-600 models.

Bryce Dallas Howard. She was in this very little, but I liked watching her. She had a very pleasant demeanor and a glow to her that somehow fit even in the chaos. She should have had more screen time.

The Bad:

This is definitely a PG-13 movie. More accurately, though, this was not a movie made for adults. Terminators 1 and 2 were “adult” movies. This had plenty of scenes in it that could have been found in Fast and Furious or a movie of that ilk. Here’s an example. MINOR SPOILER ---
Beautiful (but deadly) woman is all alone by a campfire in the middle of the desert after a full day’s journey. Beautiful woman is still gorgeous. Five hillbillies show up and make dirty aggressive jokes about how there “ain’t no man around to pertect ya.” Beautiful woman retorts with Hollywood version of “woman power,” a joke about breaking hillybilly’s face and then proceeding to take down two of them quickly before being knocked down and then saved by lead.
--- END MINOR SPOILER

Would we have seen that in a James Cameron movie? Perhaps. Would it have been shot like a scene from “Gone in 60 Seconds?” Not a goddamn chance. Now don’t get me wrong. This doesn’t ruin the movie, and these moments are few. But it is clearly aimed at teens and young adults more.

Christian Bale. Ok, he’s not bad, but I feel he missed the mark here. I’m a Bale fan, and it just doesn’t feel like he knew quite what to do with this character. It’s a one note piece, for sure, but so was Sam Worthington’s character and he hit the right note. Bale just seems a bit off.

The first five minutes. TERRIBLE. I think everyone in my row agreed that the first segment was awful. Really awful. It’s just a set-up scene, but the dialogue and scenario are done really poorly in my opinion. MINOR SPOILER –
“So that’s what death tastes like.” Who fucking wrote that? Christ.
END SPOILER - Thankfully the trend doesn’t continue past the intro.

The last five minutes. Almost as silly as the first five minutes. MAJOR SPOILER ---
We learn halfway through that Marcus (Sam Worthington’s character) is a hybrid terminator/human type thing, so he’s mostly machine but he has human organs. Well, John Connor is dying at the end of the film because he got all beat up and “his heart can’t take any more.” Whatever the fuck that means. So Marcus tells everyone that John can have HIS heart, because he wants to use this as his chance for redemption. Ok, I can buy that heart transplants are simple and effective a mere decade from now. But they’re in the fucking desert in a tent with no walls and it shows the two lying next to each other as we crossfade to the epilogue. Really? Are you fucking serious? A heart transplant in the middle of the open desert with a pregnant Bryce Dallas Howard supposedly doing the surgery? And this ends the movie? Right. ---
END SPOILER

Character development. There wasn’t much at all. Not much more to say about that.

The mute black kid. There’s no other way to put it. It (and I say “it” because I was certain it was a little girl but my friends kept saying it was a boy but really, what difference does it make) was a pointless character that screamed quite loudly, “Look! Hollywood has found the most minor of all minorities! It’s black, a child, AND has a speech impairment!” And of course, it never got hurt (even as all the rest of mankind got wiped out), it “sensed” danger before anyone else, and it ultimately and literally saved the day for all mankind. Way too gimmicky for my liking.

Transformers/Matrix. There were a few parts that seemed ripped straight out of Transformers. There were MANY parts that reminded me a lot of the last two Matrix movies. Try not to draw the same conclusions when they are - MINOR SPOILER –
being attacked by the various machines (especially the water terminators that look a lot like the squidies) or making their way to the machine city.
– END SPOILERS –

The rest:

The McG factor. This is the best McG film I have seen. An admission, though. It’s the only McG film I have ever seen. That said, I read a lot of the attacks on him and his credibility and “how can a guy named ‘McG’ do a Terminator movie justice” and all that bullshit and his retorts and so on, and I think this movie is pretty much the brighter side of exactly what a lot of people thought it would be. It’s big, it’s fun, it’s kinda goofy, but you can tell the guy’s trying to make it dark. It’s just that the gloss still shines through.

The Plot. It’s pretty simple hide and seek stuff the whole time. It is what it is.

Action. Can there be too much action? I want to say Terminator: Salvation speaks loudly about that, and what it’s saying is yes, there can. Some of the scenes are awesome and big, but some could have been dropped in favor of more character development, in which there is very little.

Overview:

I liked Terminator: Salvation as a popcorn movie. My expectations were mixed for this, so I think I was pretty levelheaded going in and not expecting too much or too little. There were plenty of cool scenes, a few lame scenes, and that really awful bookending of opening and closing shots. The middle chunk though is an enjoyable movie with some good thrills and fun sequences. As a side note, I stumbled upon T2 on cable last night while I was falling asleep, and was caught up again quickly in the greatness of that story and I thought about how well it has held up over almost two decades. Today, I walked out of TS smiling for sure, but there wasn’t a single feeling in my body that Terminator: Salvation was anything more than a “just good enough sequel” to spend a few hours beating the early summer heat with. I’ll give it a 6.5 out of 10. Once again, you can call me Clounshoo.
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Terminator has never been more than dumb popcorn action, so it sounds like Salvation is, at the very least, par for the course for the series. Which is much better than what most people (myself included) expected from McG.
 
Blader5489 said:
Terminator has never been more than dumb popcorn action, so it sounds like Salvation is, at the very least, par for the course for the series. Which is much better than what most people (myself included) expected from McG.
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Yeah, but they were made by James Cameron. That makes them better than everything. Because James Cameron made them. God, his action movies totally transcend popcorn flicks. Because James Cameron made them.









James Cameron
 
Insane Metal said:
6.5? :lol

That's not exactly what a 'good popcorn movie" sounds like... :lol
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http://www.totalfilm.com/features/11-things-we-love-about-terminator-salvation

Even Devin from Chud liked it, how much so, who knows.

The review posted earlier is pretty much the most negative out of all the ones posted online so far. Im expecting a solid 7-8 out of ten movie hopefully.

Though the one common thread in all of the reviews posted online so far is that Worthington >>>> Bale
 
Clevinger said:
Yeah, but they were made by James Cameron. That makes them better than everything. Because James Cameron made them. God, his action movies totally transcend popcorn flicks. Because James Cameron made them.









James Cameron
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:lol :lol
 
Blader5489 said:
Terminator has never been more than dumb popcorn action, so it sounds like Salvation is, at the very least, par for the course for the series. Which is much better than what most people (myself included) expected from McG.
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:x
 
PG13 or not I don't care but that 4 minute youtube clip was pretty fantastic. I'm much more hopeful after watching that.
 
I'm totally hyped at the moment. I'm getting some real big-budget-Mad-Max-with-killer-robots vibes from these tv spots.

Blader5489 said:
Terminator has never been more than dumb popcorn action, so it sounds like Salvation is, at the very least, par for the course for the series. Which is much better than what most people (myself included) expected from McG.
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You called Aliens a dumb popcorn action flick the other day as well... *head explodes*
 
Blader5489 said:
Terminator has never been more than dumb popcorn action, so it sounds like Salvation is, at the very least, par for the course for the series. Which is much better than what most people (myself included) expected from McG.
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smh.
 
Spotless Mind said:
You called Aliens a dumb popcorn action flick the other day as well... *head explodes*
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Well...it is. Though I don't think I've said that recently. :lol

Although, in regards to my last post, I will say that T3 is far below the bar set by T1/2 and probably 4. T1 and 2 at least have that kind of 80s campiness to it. T3 is just awful.
 
Blader5489 said:
Terminator has never been more than dumb popcorn action, so it sounds like Salvation is, at the very least, par for the course for the series. Which is much better than what most people (myself included) expected from McG.
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No you.
 
I'm sure I'm late to this, but I just saw the last trailer in front of Star Trek last night and a split second into it I was just like "fucking NIN". What a badass choice for a trailer song.

Oh, and the movie looks really good.
 
Halycon said:
Disappointing. I was hoping for a worthy Terminator film. At least it seems to be a passable action film, which is more than can be said for the film-which-must-not-be-named.
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I think it's a bit silly to write it off based on an AICN review. Rotten Watch tells all.
 
omg rite said:
I think it's a bit silly to write it off based on an AICN review. Rotten Watch tells all.
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I'm not saying it's going to suck for sure, but I'm now definitely lowering my expectations and avoiding hype. Some of the things that the review describes, if not total fabrications, are buzz-kills.
Matrix-style machine city? Transformers as an inspiration? Really? I hope not.

Is it too early for predictions? I predict a Fresh Rating of about 70%.
 
Halycon said:
I'm not saying it's going to suck for sure, but I'm now definitely lowering my expectations and avoiding hype. Some of the things that the review describes, if not total fabrications, are buzz-kills.
Matrix-style machine city? Transformers as an inspiration? Really? I hope not.

Is it too early for predictions? I predict a Fresh Rating of about 70%.
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Eh, I guess. I'm just not as attached to the series I guess. It's been years and years since I've seen T2. I should rewatch it before T4.
 
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