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[Spectral Glider]

It was just as ridiculous as the other movies in the series.

I've always been in the smaller camp that thinks T2 was hilariously awful. But given what was already established, I could half swallow the craziness. This movie, however, heaps a whole bunch of different crazy on us that doesn't mesh with the old at all IMO.

 

[XiaNaphryz]

I've always been in the smaller camp that thinks T2 was hilariously awful. But given what was already established, I could half swallow the craziness. This movie, however, heaps a whole bunch of different crazy on us that doesn't mesh with the old at all IMO.

Would you agree with my earlier nitpick?

So I haven't kept up with the thread at all, so this might already have been discussed. But it's pretty much the biggest freaking plothole of the whole movie for me:

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Why didn't Skynet just kill Kyle immediately after identifying him? And even if they wanted him as bait for drawing Connor in first (assuming killing Kyle immediately doesn't cause Connor to disappear BTTF style), they could've killed him in the cell immediately after Marcus sends Connor the coords.

 

[Spectral Glider]

It was hybrid Tech and much like the T-1000's, still really hard to create and its obvious that Marcus was specifically picked for this role for some reason, so there might be reasons he was the only one. The fact that the HK readout listed him as Marcus wright and not a unit model points to this being the truth.

The Bases, yeah that was kinda of really retarded considering the fact that the other movies, books, the TV series, etc state that the bases are all underground and well hidden. But remember that Kyle also stated in T1 that you could only move at night, while the opposite was stated here.

The radio thing is also really lame I'll admit, skynet is in charge of all military tech and satellites, so picking up on a transmission should be easy. Maybe Skynet isn't as advanced as we are lead to believe.

The T-600 wore clothing in an attempt to try to lure humans to them, remember that from a distance Marcus thought the T-600 was human.

OK, I can maybe buy that he was a one off and that skynet was lucky he worked. But I still think the idea of him makes the overall storyline needlessly clumsy and cluttered.

The T-600 luring humans with clothes, hmm, I suppose. But I mean after awhile you would think their lumbering characteristics would be easily spotted. I think it boils down to the art department just thinking it looks cools. And I suppose it does on some level, but it also comes across as goofy.

 

[ZeoVGM]

Would you agree with my earlier nitpick?

I have an answer for you actually, but it might be considered a spoiler.

Spoiler

Because then the movie would end.

 

[methos75]

Would you agree with my earlier nitpick?

Oh yes, I think that Skynet is just a tad bit unintelligent in reality. He is smart enough to think humans a threat, but he lacks the logic to actually see it through to its end.

 

[DemonSwordsman]

This movie once again proves that GAF does not know shit about movies and are just a bunch of miserable people and hate everything.

Great movie, and for people saying it doesn't live up or has plot holes. Please the first 2 terminators already mess up everything with time travel and what not. There is no point in trying to make sense of it.

 

[Chiggs]

this movie was pure shit, and i was embarrassed to be in the theater the entire time.

:lol

Glowing reviews like this make T4 the film to beat!

 

[Spectral Glider]

Would you agree with my earlier nitpick?

Yes! I turned to my friend and said that very thing as the Helena Hologram was giving the plot breakdown to Marcus. They could have killed him like three or four times by that point.

 

[methos75]

OK, I can maybe buy that he was a one off and that skynet was lucky he worked. But I still think the idea of him makes the overall storyline needlessly clumsy and cluttered.

The T-600 luring humans with clothes, hmm, I suppose. But I mean after awhile you would think their lumbering characteristics would be easily spotted. I think it boils down to the art department just thinking it looks cools. And I suppose it does on some level, but it also comes across as goofy.

In the novel of the original movie, kyle talks about the 600 series and how they quickly picked up on them not being human, but I guess the 600 series aren't able to change their tactics and Skynet cannot be bother with it.

 

[dLMN8R]

Whatever your thoughts might be on the actual movie, you can't deny that some of McG's direction in the wider-open outdoor action scenes were PHENOMENAL.

I loved the long, uncut take of Conner in the helicoptor,

Spoiler

getting in, taking off, nuke going off, crashing, rolling upside down, and falling

. Some other really impressive takes like that too.

 

[Chiggs]

Why send either of those back? They have a hybrid technology that creates a machine that has no clue it's a machine and thinks and acts exactly like a human. So instead they send emotionless screw ups back in time that aren't very effective and mostly just blow everything the fuck up. I hate the whole Marcus idea. I think it destroys the series entirely, especially the extremely lame part with him giving John his heart.

And it's laughable how "above ground" the main resistance bases are. Skynet can't find these bozos making as much noise as possible? Oh yeah, I forgot, Skynet instead wants to play mission impossible with some amazing scheme that lures John Conner right to them. Oh good grief.

Speaking of skynet, the robots can detect and immediately react to early 90s metal on the radio, but the John Conner Talk Show that all resistance pockets are tuned into for key pieces of information causes not one stir. Skynet should have created the FCC to shut him down!

And somebody please tell me why the older model Terminators are wearing bandannas and shit on their heads? What, the desert heat too much for them?

:lol :lol :lol

There is so much wrong with this film. It's a cornucopia of unintentional comedy. The bandana Terminator really made my night.

 

[shintoki]

Saw it, What everyone is waiting for
T1 > T2 > T3 > T4 :lol

I think the script re-writes ended up hurting it more. The thing most Modern action movies seem to lose is a sense of time. Its just jump from one major event to another. They pretty much gut out all transitional material. And turning Conner from a background character to a duel lead just seemed to hurt it more.

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I really would of enjoyed it more if it was just Marcus as the main only. Something like after Bale's first attack on the plant. They follow Marcus around instead of switching between the two. They can keep the BaleCast going with the radio.

They could've then made it more survival horror then too =[

 

[methos75]

:lol :lol :lol

There is so much wrong with this film. It's a cornucopia of unintentional comedy. The bandana Terminator made my night.

 

[Spectral Glider]

This movie once again proves that GAF does not know shit about movies and are just a bunch of miserable people and hate everything.

Great movie, and for people saying it doesn't live up or has plot holes. Please the first 2 terminators already mess up everything with time travel and what not. There is no point in trying to make sense of it.

Yeah, that's a famous reply. But then it doesn't explain why I can enjoy mindless crap like the first two Pirates movies, or the Hellboys, or the first Transporter or that Jaws still works even though they blow up the shark with a tank of air.

Just too much for me to swallow in this movie, especially when it wants to take itself so seriously. Which is too bad, because I think it's a visually cool movie. But it's pieces just don't work for me.

 

[Chiggs]

And now you've made my night!


:lol :lol :lol

 

[methos75]

This movie once again proves that GAF does not know shit about movies and are just a bunch of miserable people and hate everything.

Great movie, and for people saying it doesn't live up or has plot holes. Please the first 2 terminators already mess up everything with time travel and what not. There is no point in trying to make sense of it.

The thing here though is that many of us here like me are huge fans of the series, so its hard to get past the plot holes when they reneg the previous movies.

 

[Chiggs]

This movie once again proves that GAF does not know shit about movies and are just a bunch of miserable people and hate everything.

Huh?

Great movie, and for people saying it doesn't live up or has plot holes. Please the first 2 terminators already mess up everything with time travel and what not. There is no point in trying to make sense of it.

Great?! GREAT?!!!

 

[Count Dookkake]

Asked this in the Christianity thread, but haven't got a response:

What did you guys make of the Passion-in-a-blender plot for Marcus?

Previous entries in the series featured Connor as Christ, but in this one it is clearly Marcus, from the opening scene's Judas kiss and cruciform bed to, well, tons of stuff.

Spoiler

-hand wound
-torture and mockery in cruciform pose
-dies so that others may live
-woman he travels with watches his crucifixion
-resurrection
-wanders wilderness
-tempted by devil to rule earth

There is probably more, but that is off the top of my head.

 

[DemonSwordsman]

Huh?



Great?! GREAT?!!!

Well maybe I shoudl have said. "Gaf doesn't know shit about rating movies."

Yeah, well if you have a problem with great then it was a good movie at least.

 

[Spectral Glider]

In the novel of the original movie, kyle talks about the 600 series and how they quickly picked up on them not being human, but I guess the 600 series aren't able to change their tactics and Skynet cannot be bother with it.

I think it'd be great if there was a scene of a group of 600s gathered round a TV watching old pirate movies and that's where the bandana idea came from. :lol

 

[methos75]

I noticed it also, the most glaring was by far the cross shaped bed IMO.

 

[ZeoVGM]

Great?! GREAT?!!!

Nothing wrong with that statement.

Great action flick. Which is what I expected. Because it's a Terminator movie.

 

[SCULLIBUNDO]

So guys now there is a rumour that almost all the action scenes were done by the second unit team because McG wanted to concentrate on the character-building emotional scenes.

 

[Dead]

And now you've made my night!


:lol :lol :lol

What exactly is so funny about it?

T-600s are low end infiltrators, they are clothed for that reason. It was just a T-600 that had parts of its skin and clothes blasted away

 

[methos75]

What exactly is so funny about it?

T-600s are low end infiltrators, they are clothed for that reason. It was just a T-600 that had parts of its skin and clothes blasted away

Arrrrr Maties, I be Terminator Jack.

 

[dem]

So guys now there is a rumour that almost all the action scenes were done by the second unit team because McG wanted to concentrate on the character-building emotional scenes.

?
Must have missed those.

 

[deadbeef]

Why do Terminators need displays viewable inside their eyes? It seems like it they were machines, the eye would function only as an input device, not an input/output device.

 

[Marty Chinn]

It was hybrid Tech and much like the T-1000's, still really hard to create and its obvious that Marcus was specifically picked for this role for some reason, so there might be reasons he was the only one. The fact that the HK readout listed him as Marcus wright and not a unit model points to this being the truth.

The Bases, yeah that was kinda of really retarded considering the fact that the other movies, books, the TV series, etc state that the bases are all underground and well hidden. But remember that Kyle also stated in T1 that you could only move at night, while the opposite was stated here.

The radio thing is also really lame I'll admit, skynet is in charge of all military tech and satellites, so picking up on a transmission should be easy. Maybe Skynet isn't as advanced as we are lead to believe.

The T-600 wore clothing in an attempt to try to lure humans to them, remember that from a distance Marcus thought the T-600 was human.

Let's also not forget that this is only 2018, and Judgement Day takes place after 2003 in this timeline. Previously Judgement Day was 1997 and Kyle Reese came back from like 2027 or somethng like that. This is still the early days of Skynet so things aren't as advance, and the machines clearly haven't made as much ground yet.

If I recall, the T-800s is when Skynet really started crushing the resistance because they could infiltrate so easily. That's when things started hurting and this is all pretty much pre-T-800s.

 

[Marty Chinn]

OK, I can maybe buy that he was a one off and that skynet was lucky he worked. But I still think the idea of him makes the overall storyline needlessly clumsy and cluttered.

The T-600 luring humans with clothes, hmm, I suppose. But I mean after awhile you would think their lumbering characteristics would be easily spotted. I think it boils down to the art department just thinking it looks cools. And I suppose it does on some level, but it also comes across as goofy.

You don't remember the dialog in T1 from Kyle where he explains how the Terminators tried to look human before the T-800s accomplished it? They clearly were trying and from a distance they probably would trick you much more easily than a robot standing out there. It makes sense why they would dress them up even if they were a bit bulky and not as realistic looking.

 

[Chiggs]

I'm watching Terminator 3 right now, and I forgot all about this little gem of a line:

"There's enough C4 here to blow up TEN super-computers!"

 

[SCULLIBUNDO]

I'm watching Terminator 3 right now, and I forgot all about this little gem of a line:

"There's enough C4 here to blow up TEN super-computers!"

"Wait your turn honey"

"There a problem officer?" *TX makes her breasts expand*

Lets not forget that stupid fucking song Marco Beltrami kept incorporating every time somebody said 'talk to the hand'.

 

[GhaleonEB]

This is probably the best approach to take. Just watch the first two. Just like Alien and Aliens. Why even bother going further? It's all downhill from there.

Just skimming through the thread, but that's actually approach to these movies. The first two Alien movies are among my favorite ever. The second two were shit.

Likewise, I love the two Cameron Terminator movies. Never saw #3, and not jumping to see this one either. I think the story that needed to be told was told, and I haven't seen anything in my reading on this one that makes me think it's adding anything to the series; it looks like a cash-in.

That said, I'll probably watch it on DVD out of curiosity, and for Bale.

 

[layzie1989]

One thing I will say about this movie and the franchise: Those terminators are fucking scary. When john fought that terminator torso it scared the shit out of me, and the scenes in skynet also had me really freaked out. A lot of it had to do with the sound design which for the robots and the environment was excellent.

edit: ill repeat what i said earlier and ask a question. Does anyone see the john connor character from t2 and t3 in this john connor? To me they're completely separate people, and the writing for the character this go around is completely different. The only thing I liked was the part where he played the music through the boom box.

 

[Count Dookkake]

The T-800 is as smart a design choice as the lightsaber. So simple, but iconic.

 

[Chiggs]

"Wait your turn honey"

"There a problem officer?" *TX makes her breasts expand*

Lets not forget that stupid fucking song Marco Beltrami kept incorporating every time somebody said 'talk to the hand'.

Oh yeah, what the hell was he thinking?

 

[ZeoVGM]

One thing I will say about this movie and the franchise: Those terminators are fucking scary. When john fought that terminator torso it scared the shit out of me, and the scenes in skynet also had me really freaked out. A lot of it had to do with the sound design which for the robots and the environment was excellent.

This. One of the guys I saw it with said the same thing to me. That they managed to make them pretty scary looking.

 

[SephCast]

For anyone who thinks T3 is better than T4, rewatch it. Dear God. The movie is like a parody. The only redeeming quality is the ending. I don't get how people can fault T4 for feeling pointless when T3 made the events of T1 and T2 absolutely pointless. Get it through your thick skulls, gaf, T3 is horrible.

 

[SCULLIBUNDO]

You know what else I love about T3?

At one moment Arnold is struggling to hold up the blast door. Then he uses one hand to grab the TX and pull her back and the other to get his shitty fusion cell to jam it in her mouth. It reminds me of the first futurama episode where Bender re-attaches his arms.

 

[Dan]

It was far from intelligent sci-fi, but it was infinitely better than Star Trek and Wolverine. Maybe the plot doesn't make a whole lot of sense when you break it down but the action scenes generally kicked ass and the protagonists actually faced some real challenges.

I loved the production design, too.

 

[Dead]

For anyone who thinks T3 is better than T4, rewatch it. Dear God. The movie is like a parody. The only redeeming quality is the ending. I don't get how people can fault T4 for feeling pointless when T3 made the events of T1 and T2 absolutely pointless. Get it through your thick skulls, gaf, T3 is horrible.

They should have had a 5 minute opening montage of Judgement Day rather than just a text scroll in Salvation

Then T3 would be 100% purely worthless

 

[methos75]

One thing I will say about this movie and the franchise: Those terminators are fucking scary. When john fought that terminator torso it scared the shit out of me, and the scenes in skynet also had me really freaked out. A lot of it had to do with the sound design which for the robots and the environment was excellent.

edit: ill repeat what i said earlier and ask a question. Does anyone see the john connor character from t2 and t3 in this john connor? To me they're completely separate people, and the writing for the character this go around is completely different. The only thing I liked was the part where he played the music through the boom box.

The sound of the Harvester is fucking freaky as hell

 

[Kevtones]

Dumb movie. Great action. I genuinely enjoyed the film because I could certify the film as silly after the atrocious credits sequence. In turn, this let me turn the brain off for 100+ minutes and soak in the weaponry and destroyed beauty look (that I think worked great). Sure the aesthetic is getting old but I'm a sucker for the design of terminators and I thought the robots felt like properly weighted elements of the world, something that made the action some of the most visceral I've seen in awhile.

That said, the film has SOOOO many pieces of jumbled logic and nonsensical plot devices that my brain had to snuff itself from laughing in the theater... WHY WOULD THE TERMINATOR TOSS THE GUN ASIDE WHEN IT COULD KILL THE PINNED HUMAN IN ONE SHOT BUT NO IT PREFERS STRANGULATION.


Also, I liked the shout out to EUGENE when they were mentioning resistances - half the theater I was in yelled out :lol


Overall, I liked it and enjoyed it as much as I did Star Trek.

 

[Insane Metal]

Transforminators http://video.ign.com/dor/articles/9...ideos/black20_prt_transforminators_52109.html

:lol

Nobody saw it?? I gotta quote it, sorry. It's so good.

"They're eating all of our sand" :lol

 

[Barrett2]

Well, I know I am going to see this, but I also know that nothing McG touches can be anything other than embarrassing mouthbreathing crap. Hopefully the sweet explosions and Bale tirade memories can compensate for the McG'ness.

It's a cornucopia of unintentional comedy. The bandana Terminator really made my night.

This better not mean what I think it means...

*scrolls through thread - sees pics*

Sweet merciful Jebus...

 

[Doubledex]

Have I missed something? SONY owns the Terminator-license now? Or Warner?
I heard Warnes has the rights for the US and SONY for the International stuff.... but, who owns the IP/license overall?

 

[beelzebozo]

nothing about this was worthwhile at all. everything that should have been established was not (i apologize if this seems vague, but i seriously mean everything--settings, characters, the importance of actions, EVERYTHING), the action scenes some seem to be noting as pluses of the movie had no gravity whatsoever because (a) the cgi made everything seem weightless and without consequence or danger, and (b) none of the characters acted like any hypothetically dangerous situation they were about to approach should be done with caution or hesitation. it rushed from major plot point to major plot point without any set up that could be considered competent. didn't you at least flinch at the way

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ironside just suddenly was like, "ok connor, you got them codes!" a minute after we got the information that the code existed, and after almost no meaningful arguing or consideration from either side?

that's the whole movie in microcosm, though: things done purely to advance the plot and not because they seemed the right things to do in given scenarios.

it was SHIT SHIT SHIT. how can anyone excuse this?

and as cheebs said: BANDANA TERMINATOR!?

 

[Anton Sugar]

One thing I will say about this movie and the franchise: Those terminators are fucking scary. When john fought that terminator torso it scared the shit out of me, and the scenes in skynet also had me really freaked out. A lot of it had to do with the sound design which for the robots and the environment was excellent.

Sound design was GREAT, especially for the T600's. Reminded me of HL2.

 

[Tyrone Slothrop]

Have I missed something? SONY owns the Terminator-license now? Or Warner?
I heard Warnes has the rights for the US and SONY for the International stuff.... but, who owns the IP/license overall?

the rights are really messy. T3 was pretty much an independent film because of it, and arnold himself had to pitch in on finances

but i think WB primarily owns it now

 

[Cheebs]

One thing the movie did I liked was it was the first movie since T1 where I was creeped out by Terminators. It brought the scary aspect back, although NOWHERE near the level of T1. But it was there and I liked it. T2 (in a good way) and T3 (in a bad way)'s Terminators were all kinda goofy and funny even the bad ones.


Oh and it doesn't matter who owns it. I doubt we will get another one for a long while. It disappointed on thursday and friday. It's entire 5 day weekend will fall at least 10 mil short of what star trek did in just a 3 day weekend and for memorial day weekend, one of the biggest movie going times of the year where EVERYTHING gets a sizable boost that is very bad. It won't hit 150 mil in the end.

 

[bafflewaffle]

Ebert has been obsolete for a while now, nevermind his review of this movie (which I havent read)

no he still good, only problem if you expect him to be some dividing rod of good or bad movies. he just one critic of many critic type people