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Official Terminator 4 Thread of Potential Suckage

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quadriplegicjon said:
his heart is a normal human heart. its just very strong.. but most of the issues with the whole saving him thing has to do with the editing.. if they had included the love scene and some of the other stuff, it would have been more believable. blame the studios for this one.
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That's bullshit :lol


Plus the love scene? They would've made THAT unbelievable as well, but ya I would've like to seen Moon's boinkers.
 
gantz85 said:
That's bullshit :lol


Plus the love scene? They would've made THAT unbelievable as well, but ya I would've like to seen Moon's boinkers.
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why would it be so unbelievable?

people like to fuck. especially two good looking people hanging out.
 
quadriplegicjon said:
why would it be so unbelievable?

people like to fuck. especially two good looking people hanging out.
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Sure, whatever you say chum.

Would like to see how she handles teh robot sausage.
 
Tyrone Slothrop said:
i know i said it a hundred times but i'll say it again. the first two movies are completely different from this. if you think it's a shitty movie with glaring plot holes, that's fine. but all this comparison to how it falls short of T1 and T2 is like criticizing a shark for not having feathers. the premise is completely different, people

*bangs bloodied head on wall
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Why are you banging your head on the wall on a point that everyone already knew? I don't see anyone comparing it to T1 or T2 as in "it has to be the same," but rather in its quality, which is the most valid criticism possible for a sequel to anything.
 
D4Danger said:
do you mean foreign? worldwide is US + Foreign (3 weeks. May 21st it started)
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He meant the foreign intake of 90+ million was only its first week intake. Basically he's saying that it's too early to call bomb because it's obvious non-US countries will be carrying this film.
 
omg rite said:
Yes, I mean foreign.

http://www.variety.com/article/VR1118004619.html?categoryId=19&cs=1

It did very well over there so far. It's officially not a bomb. A disappointment overall, perhaps, but not a bomb. The sequel is in talks now.
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right, sorry. my mistake.

It's doing really well in the rest of the world then. I do hope the foreign markets save it and we get T5.

I don't think the US numbers are very impressive for what should've been a massive summer blockbuster. Maybe timing was a problem? Star Trek has done $225m (came out 2 weeks before T:S).
 
i just saw this movie last night (going through a back catalog of movies ive somewhat wanted to see since january but havent been able to due to law school) and was glad this one was still in theaters. it wasn't THAT bad, it was by no means good, it wasn't even a 'decent' action film...it had some cool scenes, but a lot of the time i'd turn to my gf and go wtf? some cute little homages to the older films, and every time Bale spoke I heard his batman gruffy voice, like he was trying too hard.

anyways, couldve been better.
 
I love this part:
Besides setting the literary community abuzz, Salinger's decision to come out of seclusion has allowed scholars access to his massive archive of unpublished work for the first time. So far, critics have examined three never-before-seen novels, eight novellas, and more than two dozen short stories—all of which appear to be Terminator fan fiction.

"But make no mistake," said Salinger expert Professor Duane Hartworth of nearby Dartmouth College, "this is without a doubt the most personal and affecting body of Terminator fan fiction ever discovered."
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I read that article a few days ago; it captured Salinger perfectly :lol

"I admit I was worried about it as first," Salinger explained to enthralled reporters. "The decision to go with McG as the new director seemed like a bad mistake—I mean, he made the Charlie's Angels movies for chrissakes—but boy oh boy was I worried for nothing. T4 may well be more awesome than the first three goddamn films combined, if you can believe that."

Added Salinger, "Those hydrobots are scary as shit."
 
wow late bump but i finally saw this the other day and i thought it was good... way better than 3, which i did like but i thought 4 was tense and entertaining but flawed

i read a review and they said it was souless, they should have fleshed out the love story or kyle more but oh well a dvd release might fix these.... and they said that their was no tensness in it because you never saw the indestructible terminators in the real world...

after the 3rd one which kind of ruined the terminator in the real world plot .... but also moved the series onto judegment day ... to me it seems kind of logical that we are now set with the resistance, where humans have finally started coordinating some sort of fight instead of getting slaughtered... i'm hoping for a fifth movie, but to me this cleaned up some of the mess of 3

well my friends and i enjoyed it... we thought it was kinda crazy in a good way
 
Well I just saw this tonight and went in with no expectations (due to the reception) and while there wasn't a whole lot of story there, there wasn't a whole lot of suck either imo. I thought that Marcus's character can actually fit in a prequel AND a sequel sense.... (Bioshock spoiler in here ->)
In a sequel sense, him being so different from the machines of the first movies and unknowingly completing his mission ala Bioshock was a nice twist, but also in a prequel sense in that he ultimately fails because he is too autonomous and his human side wins out (tearing out the chip in the back of his head), which could still lead them to send back a more "binary thinking" arnold model

The tricky thing is adding things that make sense with the prequels in place (kyle Reese, etc) but also reacting to things the prequels did and expanding the lore in sequels yet not fubaring the possibility of the earlier movies still happening, assuming this time line is a loop, although they may be going for the altered skewed time line, I guess we have to wait for the new movies (if they are made).

I didn't like how the terminators kinda toy'd with them though (like cat and mouse), in a certain scene someone should have been killed instantly instead being tossed all over the room....

Id rank T1 and T2 in a class of their own (T1 is slighter better imo), Terminator Salvation as Popcorn War Movie (style) just with terminators instead of nazis/vietcong/etc. And T3 in last place that basically was only good because of the ending but largely unneeded.
 
Worldwide gross:

$281,243,298

I called it earlier in the thread that the movie would make a profit in WW box office. And then there are DVD sales. $81,000,000 is nothing to sneeze at.
 
agrajag said:
Worldwide gross:

$281,243,298

I called it earlier in the thread that the movie would make a profit in WW box office. And then there are DVD sales. $81,000,000 is nothing to sneeze at.
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i think there is enough for a sequel, but definitely need a better director/script


and

Find a way to resurrect Marcus, everyone I went with thought he stole the show, and bale wasn't even needed, I agree
 
Finally saw it, I really liked this movie, I really enjoyed it a lot.

The movie does look expensive as hell with some amazing visual effects, so the $200 million budget makes sense to me.

agrajag said:
Worldwide gross:

$281,243,298

I called it earlier in the thread that the movie would make a profit in WW box office. And then there are DVD sales. $81,000,000 is nothing to sneeze at.
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With the way it's being distributed, it looks like neither WB or Sony is taking a real hit. It's easy to quote the $200 million budget, but it's also easy to forget how it's all being divided.
 
ZombieSupaStar said:
i think there is enough for a sequel, but definitely need a better director/script


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Find a way to resurrect Marcus, everyone I went with thought he stole the show, and bale wasn't even needed, I agree
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I thought the directing was fine, but the script definitely sucked. The problem mostly was that they had a script written by T3 guys and then a new writing crew came in and redid that script instead of writing one from scratch.
 
I saw the movie yesterday.

Its a good dumb action movie, with great special effects and lots of plot holes. Its watchable untill the last 3 minutes, ending is SOOOO BAD.
They killed of the only actor in movie that was any good.
 
agrajag said:
Worldwide gross:

$281,243,298

I called it earlier in the thread that the movie would make a profit in WW box office. And then there are DVD sales. $81,000,000 is nothing to sneeze at.
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There's still a ways to go in terms of foreign box office - it's only been open a week in Japan, and opened on 6/4 or 6/5 in many countries.

I see this hitting $330 million WW at least.
 
caught a spur of the moment showing at 10:25 with some free tickets i had with a friend. we were the only 2 in there, which was awesome :lol

i enjoyed the movie for what it was though. i really cant see why someone would outright hate it though...and worthington was pretty good, im excited for his upcoming movies.
 
You know what bothered me most, that they now finally had a friendly terminator on their side, and they killed him for an organ.


Can someone explain this to me? I'd like to be wrong, but if i had a terminator on the human side, i would not kill it off to give Connor a heart, there are other injured dying guys out there. Take it from them.
 
ZombieSupaStar said:
Find a way to resurrect Marcus, everyone I went with thought he stole the show, and bale wasn't even needed, I agree
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the next movie is supposed to cover his backstory, or something. his story isn't over.
 
This movie sucked.

The previous Terminator movies were basically slasher movies like Halloween and Friday The 13th, where you have this invincible murderer chasing some people for the whole movie, until the final showdown in some uninhabited location. It worked well because the movie was basically not sci-fi, it didn't go in the details or why or how things happened, so it remained believable and immersive.

But this movie has nothing to do with the previous formulas, they try to explain all sorts of useless things, there are all sorts of stupid robots like motorcycle robots and a giant robot that captures people and what not, there is a fricking magnetic mine-field on the porch of the resistance's hide out but the robots never figured out that's where they needed to drop a nuke, the robots don't use biological weapons, you can walk into Skynet like it's open for visit, and when they fight in the middle of the damn robot factory there's only ONE that's active, and no backup comes over?

It's so dumb. Should have been more like the beginning with Kyle and Marcus; not sure what is going on, just trying to find the resistance, getting chased by a robot along with taking down cheaper models along the way. Nothing more was necessary. I would have been fine with just Marcus and the two kids, and at the very end they find John and John fights Marcus or whatnot, with some sort of good ending. Not this TV-series-like of a story.
 
Ether_Snake said:
The previous Terminator movies... worked well because the movie was basically not sci-fi, it didn't go in the details or why or how things happened, so it remained believable and immersive.
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I dunno about that. Terminator is about as sci-fi as sci-fi can be, only that it's in modern times so it's skewed more in the realm of believability, but not a whole lot. and virtually everything was explained. except for the ostensible time travel plot holes.

and, again, the new trilogy is supposed to be a post-apocalyptic sci-fi epic. of course it's nothing like the old movies. that's the point.
 
Ether_Snake said:
This movie sucked.

The previous Terminator movies were basically slasher movies like Halloween and Friday The 13th, where you have this invincible murderer chasing some people for the whole movie, until the final showdown in some uninhabited location.
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How would you do that given the future war setting of the film?
 
agrajag said:
How would you do that given the future war setting of the film?
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Like they did early on in the movie when Marcus is just walking around and stumbles on some Terminator. Plus you have the whole "Marcus is a robot so the resistance wants to kill him, but Kyle is going to save John one day so Skynet wants to kill him". They could have been running from both sides.
 
Can we change the thread title to:

Official Terminator 4 Thread of Official Suckage

Already?
 
Ether_Snake said:
Like they did early on in the movie when Marcus is just walking around and stumbles on some Terminator. Plus you have the whole "Marcus is a robot so the resistance wants to kill him, but Kyle is going to save John one day so Skynet wants to kill him". They could have been running from both sides.
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Except the film is supposed to be about the future war, not Kyle Reese running from Terminators.
 
agrajag said:
Except the film is supposed to be about the future war, not Kyle Reese running from Terminators.
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And it sucked so maybe it should have been different!:p
 
agrajag said:
Except the film is supposed to be about the future war, not Kyle Reese running from Terminators.
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Really? There wasn't much of a "war". At least there were never more than two or three Terminators in any one setting at a time.

Hell, the last half of the movie was John Connor going commando and infiltrating (or rather walking into) Skynet HQ in the Bay Area, in a factory full of Terminators, and we still only got one-on-one fights.

If this movie was about a post-apocalyptic epic war, then they did a really shitty job of portraying that.
 
DieH@rd said:
I saw the movie yesterday.

Its a good dumb action movie, with great special effects and lots of plot holes. Its watchable untill the last 3 minutes, ending is SOOOO BAD.
They killed of the only actor in movie that was any good.
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I enjoyed the film and thought the same thing as you.

you know the dude is waking up with a robot heart that the humans made in part 5 or whatever
 
agrajag said:
How would you do that given the future war setting of the film?
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They did neither the giant ass Braveheart-style war scene nor a solid Terminator chase. I wouldn't have minded if they just had different Terminators chasing them down everywhere they went.

It doesn't have to be the old movies, and in a way I'm glad they tried something different, but I never got the sense that they were fighting Terminators. All of these robots were just dumb as fuck and never seemed like a real threat.

Tyrone Slothrop said:
if there was some epic war shit going on there'd be nothing left to do in the next two movies
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None of your defenses for this movie have made any sense. There are some logical things that can be defensible, but nothing you write makes any sense to anyone.

If I were going to try and seriously argue your point: the 3rd LOTR movie did pretty well in picking up the story after that great battle in the 2nd movie.
 
Caught it today, I thought it was pretty good. The 3rd act is a little rushed, but other than that it was kinda awesome. I don't get the hate. The small references to T2 were also pretty cool, like the GNR song playing on the radio. :P I guess if you compare it to T2 it falls short, but that happens with pretty much every action movie. Compared to T3 Salvation comes off like a cinematic achievement. What a piece of shit that movie was. Too bad Salvation wasn't all that successful, I'd like a sequel.

CG AHNULD was really amazing btw, if I didn't know any better I never would've guessed it was CGI.
 
jett said:
Caught it today, I thought it was pretty good. The 3rd act is a little rushed, but other than that it was kinda awesome. I don't get the hate. The small references to T2 were also pretty cool, like the GNR song playing on the radio. :P I guess if you compare it to T2 it falls short, but that happens with pretty much every action movie. Compared to T3 Salvation comes off like a cinematic achievement. What a piece of shit that movie was. Too bad Salvation wasn't all that successful, I'd like a sequel.

CG AHNULD was really amazing btw, if I didn't know any better I never would've guessed it was CGI.
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Congratulations jett, you've just relinquished all rights to shit on any movie from this point forward. Any time you shit on a movie for small contrivances or nitpicks, you will now be met by 'But then again you said Terminator Salvation was pretty good'.
 
Scullibundo said:
Congratulations jett, you've just relinquished all rights to shit on any movie from this point forward. Any time you shit on a movie for small contrivances or nitpicks, you will now be met by 'But then again you said Terminator Salvation was pretty good'.
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Congratulations Scullibundo, you can go fuck yourself.
 
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