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apologies for bumping the thread again, but US Dept of Defense is likely going to Apple...

http://www.zdnet.com/department-of-defense-dumps-blackberry-for-iphone-report-7000012938/

The BlackBerry Z10 may be launching at the end of the week, but that hasn't stopped the U.S. military from seeking alternative devices and potentially exiting as one of BlackBerry's largest customers.

Electronista reports that as part of the mobile device testing program at the U.S. Department of Defense, 650,000 Apple devices will be ordered.

Based on the publication's "well-placed sources," once the government's sequester is over, the DoD will be ordering 120,000 iPads, 100,000 iPad minis, 200,000 iPod touches and approximately 210,000 iPhones, although specific models "were not shared."
 
With the U.K. government saying BB10 isn't secure enough for its use, it looks like they won't get any in roads there either.

There have been reports of solid sales, but I think those are in comparison to other BB devices in recent years. They're still getting crushed by Apple and Samsung at this point.
 
Anyone have one of the new BBs? How are they? I'm gonna need to upgrade soon -and I'm Canadian so that's a serious question.
 
Anyone have one of the new BB? How are they? I'm gonna need to upgrade soon -and I'm Canadian so it's a serious question.
I'm honestly thinking about getting one too. From what I've read it seems the only major detriments are the lack of quality apps, shitty maps (worse than Apple maps), and the shitty Facebook and twitter apps.
 
if you don't have the 9900, consider it. GREAT device.
It is pretty good (used to own one) but if you want to use any modern apps or games at all you're pretty much boned. When I had one it felt like a smartphone-lite. The internet browser was surprisingly good though.
 
Anyone have one of the new BBs? How are they? I'm gonna need to upgrade soon -and I'm Canadian so that's a serious question.
I'm using the Z10 as we speak. Had it for about a month now (Canada).

Good: keyboard is arguably the best of any current smartphone. I love how all my correspondences (email, txt, social messages, etc) are neatly organized into a Hub. The web browser is fast and snappy. Sound quality is good (not the best). Built quality is great.

Bad: lack of modern and native apps. Full battery doesn't last me a full day (moderate use). Chance that the company might not be here 2 years down the road to support the device. The screen has a lot of glare under sunlight.

Overall, as a person that doesn't use that many apps (I don't play games on my phone), i find the Z10 to be very good for communication. It's definitely not the best smartphone on the market, but it's a solid choice.
 
So was the failure of the Z10 so low key GAF didnt even post about its struggle to sell?

WSJ says:

WSJ reports several AT&T retail locations in Manhattan and San Francisco were empty on Friday and some stores didn't even have the Z10 on display yet.
BlackBerry's stock took a dive Friday too. It was down nearly 8 percent when the market closed.
Hudson Square Research analyst Daniel Ernst told Reuters, "This morning we visited and called stores to survey early demand for the BlackBerry Z10. We found no lines, no signage announcing the launch, and clerks told us they had very few pre-orders.
via BUSINESS INSIDER
UPDATE: Despite its high-profile launch in New York and a TV advertising blitz during March Madness for the company's new smartphone, BlackBerry's shares tumbled 8%, to $14.91, Friday. The dip came amid some reports of lackluster consumer reaction at retail stores to the new phone.

Think having physical buttons on your smartphone isn't a big deal? Ask any longtime supporter of BlackBerry.

And its #475 in Cell Phones and Accessories on Amazon. #8 in Unlocked Smartphones. It's behind the BlackBerry Curve in both categories, for reference.
 
BB is done. This was obvious years ago. They don't have the vision required to keep up with Apple/Google.



Africa says no. Big, fat, no. Blackberry is huge in a lot of african countries.



Blackberry deathwatch is not a bad idea given its health in Europe and America, but the brand is far, very far from being finished.
 
Africa says no. Big, fat, no. Blackberry is huge in a lot of african countries.

Blackberry deathwatch is not a bad idea given its health in Europe and America, but the brand is far, very far from being finished.

There is no profit from having large marketshare in developing markets based on cheap phones. They are getting eaten by Chinese manufacturers who can stretch those margins with cheap labor (both on the manufacturing end and even with executive pay) Ask Nokia.

Africa can't save a company that keeps posting net losses.
 
Man, stock price is all over the place, creeping back up towards $15 today- maybe due in part to Brightstar being revealed as the million Z10-buying customer?


http://www.zdnet.com/blackberrys-one-million-blackberry-10-device-buyer-revealed-7000013128/

Wireless distribution company Brightstar has been named as the purchaser behind BlackBerry's recently-announced one million BlackBerry 10 order.

Earlier this month BlackBerry announced that an unnamed partner had purchased one million BlackBerry 10 devices — its largest single order in history — which sparked speculation that a carrier, bullish on the new device's prospects, had signed on the dotted line.

However, research house Detwiler Fenton has pegged the mystery "partner" as Brightstar, according to All Things D. The one million purchase could be to share some of the inventory risk with the distributor, according to Detwiler Fenton, which notes that Brightstar handles Verizon's distribution for megastore retailers and its dealer agent channels.

"[The arrangement] suggests Verizon doesn't believe this will be a strong seller, since it normally tries to allocate hot product on its own," Detwiler Fenton managing director Mark Gerber told All Things D.



Analysts who were bullish on the stock before, only to see it get battered for years, are reluctant to start lifting their ratings and price targets now, said Richard Moroney, chief investment officer at Horizon Investment Services.

A Goldman Sachs analyst now gives the device just a 20% chance of being a sales success. BlackBerry reports its quarterly earnings on Thursday, though they won't include sales from the U.S. launch of the Z10. But take note: shares have moved an average of 16% the last three times the company reported.


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haha- just saw the tags on a techcrunch BB article: Tags: "blackberry, z10, q10, FAIL"
 
I just received my Z10 to test at work. It's a solid device and I like some of the ideas that they have done. Blackberry Hub is killer fast.
 
Africa says no. Big, fat, no. Blackberry is huge in a lot of african countries.



Blackberry deathwatch is not a bad idea given its health in Europe and America, but the brand is far, very far from being finished.

Good luck a corp on sales in Africa. And it's only a matter of time before Android takes over there as well.
 
Returns of the Blackberry Z10 'Exceed Sales' (How is this even possible?)
What could be worse for BlackBerry-maker Research in Motion Ltd. than weak early sales of its new flagship phone? The possibility that people who did buy the phone are returning it.

In two separate reports Thursday morning, analysts noted a weak launch of the BlackBerry Z10 in the U.S.

ITG analyst analyst Joe Fersedi writes that the Z10 launch “started poorly and weakened significantly as the days passed,” and that Z10 sales are “in line-to marginally ahead of anemic sales” of older BlackBerry models and the Nokia NOK1V.HE -1.35% Lumia 822.

Fersedi said that initially the Z10′s share of sales was 4% at Verizon stores and 7% at AT&T T +0.14% stores, but those numbers have fallen to about 1% to 2%.

Perhaps worse, according to a report from Detwiler Fenton, customer returns of the Z10 are actually outnumbering sales.

“We believe key retail partners have seen a significant increase in Z10 returns to the point where, in several cases, returns are now exceeding sales, a phenomenon we have never seen before,” Detwiler analyst Jeff Johnston writes in the report.

In response to the reports, the company issued the following statement: “BlackBerry wishes to respond to media coverage today regarding speculation that there have been abnormally high levels of returns of BlackBerry Z10 devices. This is absolutely false. Our data shows that return rates for BlackBerry Z10 devices both in the U.S. and on a global basis are in line with or better than our expectations and are consistent with return rates for other premium smartphones in the market today.”

In its most recent earnings call, RIM said it sold 1 million Z10s, but the quarter did not include U.S. sales.

If there is a silver lining for RIM, it’s that Mr. Johnston and many other analysts expect the forthcoming, keyboard-equipped BlackBerry Q10 to sell much better. The Q10 just became available for pre-order in the U.K. and Canada this week and is expected to ship at the end of April. The Q10 should arrive in the U.S. in May or June.

But for the Z10, which RIM expects to compete head-to-head with the iPhone 5 and the latest Samsung Galaxy, these early indicators do not bode well.

http://blogs.wsj.com/digits/2013/04/11/analyst-blackberry-z10-returns-outnumber-sales/
 
In response to the reports, the company issued the following statement: “BlackBerry wishes to respond to media coverage today regarding speculation that there have been abnormally high levels of returns of BlackBerry Z10 devices. This is absolutely false. Our data shows that return rates for BlackBerry Z10 devices both in the U.S. and on a global basis are in line with or better than our expectations and are consistent with return rates for other premium smartphones in the market today.”

Oh lawd. Somebody check Crackberry.
 
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