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Official X360 DIY Repair Success Thread

clav

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6/3/2007: Relix compiled a tutorial for GAF to read that includes pictures and my advice given in this thread. Excellent read if you want to know about to do the Lawdawg X-Clamp fix.

6/12/2007: Version 2 link: http://www.megaupload.com/?d=QH9Q5OMR

Manufactured Date: 11-23-2005
Xbox 360 Premium Console
Samsung Drive

I figured that a few of you out there in GAF have been doing some real fixes to your X360 aside from the towel method after reading some threads about the 3ROL.

I just wanted to share my experience here what I did with mine. Hopefully, the other people who have done fixes will share theirs, too! I did post this in a small thread, but posted it in a misleading thread title. I figured it would be best if GAF could have one thread to see that these fixes actually work.

Well I decided to perform operation on a broken Xbox 360 purchased from Ebay. I've been holding off writing this because I wanted to see how long this fixed X360 will last. So far, it's been holding up for 3 days without turning off. No freezes, and I've been playing Gears and Crackdown on it.

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DyersEve said:
Watch the guy screw you and send you one that works. Damn Ebay

It actually worked! :lol But, that's because the Xbox 360 had been opened before.

When I opened it, someone performed the rubber eraser mod on the chips. Supposedly and strangely, by insulating the memory chips located below the graphics card chip, this shoddy fix temporary makes X360s work though it does spew out more outair.

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So, yeah, random picture of the metal casing. The two X indentations are where the nasty x-clamps located. Supposedly, these x-clamps are causing the flexing problem, bending the board and causing some solder joints for the chips to disconnect at high temperatures.

First, I cleaned out the horrible heat paste job done at the X360 factories.

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Redone paste job:

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Removing those nasty x-clamps were a bitch. : ( All that tension, no wonder the 3 red lights problem is common.

So I went out to my local Ace Hardware store (closest hardware store in Evanston, at least for a Northwestern University student ;)) and followed Lawdawg's method @ Xbox-Scene for screws.

If you don't know what these #s mean, ask a guy at the hardware store to help you.

8 M5 -0.8 x 10 Machine Screws
16 #10 Flat Washers - Nylon Type
16 5mm Flat Washers - Metal

In the end, I only used 8 metal washers because they pushed up too far.

The result:

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You can see the memory chips in this picture. If you want to perform the rubber eraser mod, simply cut out pieces of high polymer eraser slices and paste them over these chips. Somehow, by insulating this area, it works (possibly because of the flexing/solder theory above.)

Also in this picture, that's where the X-Clamps were supposed to be. By directly mounting the heatsinks onto the board, we can prevent the board from flexing under heat and pressure from the x-clamps.

After reseating the heatsinks, I had to tighten down the bolts in order for the 3 red lights to appear. I removed the fans this part (as it said in the guide) though I had trouble getting the 3 red lights appear when the heatsinks were completely off. After some trial and error for about 2 hours, I finally just let the heatsinks overheat themselves and then loosen the screws. After cooling down, I tightened them again, and guess what?

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Sorry for the blurry pictures. Had to turn off flash in order to let you guys see the green lights.

So yeah, this $130 Xbox 360 has been running for three days straight. So far so good. Will update if needed. :)
 
Awesome! Do you think this job will last though?

Now I know who to bug if my 360 breaks down (I live in Chicago)
 
Thoren said:
Awesome! Do you think this job will last though?

Now I know who to bug if my 360 breaks down (I live in Chicago)
Eh. Well, you can bug me for the next month until I head back to Cali. :)

(Still need to find a summer job/workplace though argh.)

You can bug me back in September. :P
 
HaloFans said:
If you're thinking about it doing a better way (which I will do to my own), do RBJTech's instead of Lawdawg's unless you are lazy.

http://rbjtech.bulldoghome.com/pages/rbjtech_bulldoghome_com/XClamp.htm

Requires some drilling/cutting, but it works better.

Lawdawg's is just an easy way if you don't want to do the drilling work.
I think i'll do this for mine, but the other way for my friends lol

*edit*

well crap I have no way of cutting the GPU Heatsink... no dremel :(

well I guess pliers will do lol
 
I know you said not the towel method, but neener neener.

I sold my launch 360 last week to a guy I know online. I was a little worried that the shipping process might mess something up, but it arrived in working order.

Then today it broke. Three red lights. He heard about the towel method and tried it and now it's working again. Another posthumous success for Douglas Adams.
 
I also did this mod to my 360 after it red lighted... I have played it probably 10 hours since I fixed it and it works great
 
My unit started giving me the 3RLOD, so I replaced the X-Clamps using RBJTech's method (link above), and it's working fine now. I made a bit of a mess of cutting the holes in the top of the GPU heatsink, but that's not really a problem.

I also replaced the stock fans with the Talismoon ones, which seem to helped the airflow a fair bit. It has been working fine for several weeks now, so hopefully it will stay that way :).
 
HaloFans said:
I figured that since a few of you out there in GAF have been doing some real fixes to your X360 aside from the towel method after reading some threads about the 3ROL.

Wow! so you had success. That's pretty awesome.
Now to see if I can get a dirt cheap dead 360 locally here (from someone who hasn't done any internet research).
 
sup GAF'ers

id like to add myself to this success story also.

2 weeks ago my 360 3RLOD'ed, did some googling and came across lawdowgs method.
tried it and now i have a working 360 again, and to give myself a lil bit more insurance i also did the 12v fan mod too, damn those delta fans is freaking loud. but id rather have a loud ass 360 than a bricked one.

pic of my *working* 360
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Dang. I never even thought of this. That's actually a really good idea for a cheap 360. And this way you don't have to worry about voiding the warranty on a new unit to do the "necessary" mods anyway.

I don't suppose the 130 was for a premium? Cause 230 loses its appeal.

Going to check out ebay as soon as I post.
 
vexvegaz said:
sup GAF'ers

id like to add myself to this success story also.

2 weeks ago my 360 3RLOD'ed, did some googling and came across lawdowgs method.
tried it and now i have a working 360 again, and to give myself a lil bit more insurance i also did the 12v fan mod too, damn those delta fans is freaking loud. but id rather have a loud ass 360 than a bricked one.

pic of my *working* 360

Wait.. that pic shows a black 360. You had an Elite die on you 2 weeks ago?
 
Halofan: What did you use as your search phrase?

XBox 360 Three rings of death only got me one hit (and even then it was only partial.)
 
1-D_FTW said:
Halofan: What did you use as your search phrase?

XBox 360 Three rings of death only got me one hit (and even then it was only partial.)
http://forums.xbox-scene.com/index.php?showforum=133

This forum will help you.

Lawdawg: http://forums.xbox-scene.com/index.php?showtopic=599216
RBJTech: http://forums.xbox-scene.com/index.php?showtopic=599217

If you are super lazy and don't want to use the clamp mods, here is the rubber eraser mod.

Eraser mod: http://forums.xbox-scene.com/index.php?showtopic=591894&view=findpost&p=3928667
 
Synbios459 said:
Is there anyone here who'd be willing to do this for me? I'd pay pretty well.

b4 u go and send ur 360 out to anyone to get fixed, i suggest u try the towel trick first, if ur 360 turns on after doin the towel trick its 98.8% ur 3rlod problem is caused by warping MB and can be fixed with this method.
 
vexvegaz said:
b4 u go and send ur 360 out to anyone to get fixed, i suggest u try the towel trick first, if ur 360 turns on after doin the towel trick its 98.8% ur 3rlod problem is caused by warping MB and can be fixed with this method.
the towel and heatgun fix is only temporary untill your GPU gets hot and disconnects from the BGA again... then its back to the towel/heatgun fix..

this fix plants the GPU firmly into place so the board cannot warp and disconnect..
 
pCeSlAyEr said:
the towel and heatgun fix is only temporary untill your GPU gets hot and disconnects from the BGA again... then its back to the towel/heatgun fix..

this fix plants the GPU firmly into place so the board cannot warp..

totally agree, but my reason for giving the towel trick advice was to single out the problem that caused him/her to have the 3rlod in the first place. the outcome of the towel trick is the deciding factor on whether he/she should even bother doing the x-clamp mod

pls excuse my poor grammar n terrible spelling
 
BobJustBob said:
I know you said not the towel method, but neener neener.

I sold my launch 360 last week to a guy I know online. I was a little worried that the shipping process might mess something up, but it arrived in working order.

Then today it broke. Three red lights. He heard about the towel method and tried it and now it's working again. Another posthumous success for Douglas Adams.
That only works temporary. The point of this thread is to have definitive long lasting fixes.
 
vexvegaz said:
totally agree, but my reason for giving the towel trick advice was to single out the problem that caused him/her to have the 3rlod in the first place. the outcome of the towel trick is the deciding factor on whether he/she should even bother doing the x-clamp mod

pls excuse my poor grammar n terrible spelling

That's definitely a good point, but the permanent fix shouldn't take too much longer than the towel trick, am I right?
 
bigsnack said:
That's definitely a good point, but the permanent fix shouldn't take too much longer than the towel trick, am I right?
I spent about 4 hours working on it (gave up my Friday night to do it).
 
The Microsoft 360 Miracle Thread!

It's kinda of sad that a thread like this even has to exist. Microsoft you have a good console in the 360 now get your act together and make sure that it has a long life for the consumer!
 
bigsnack said:
That's definitely a good point, but the permanent fix shouldn't take too much longer than the towel trick, am I right?

depending on the person performing the job the diffrence can be 30min to 3 days :lol

the 360 case is a bitch to open, plus, lets say u go to lowes/home depot and buy all the parts needed which may even including the right size torq drivers etc..
u then go and perform the mod but only to find out that the reall cause of the 3rlod is a busted cap, a blown ram IC chip etc...

maybe im just too damn lazy to go tru all that.
 
Victrix said:
This is seriously ****ing retarded

And I don't mean the cool fixes

I mean that you even have to *try* these fixes

Actually this seems like a cool project for fun and as a bonus you know how to fix friend's 360 if it happen to 3red ring. You know, if MS won't do the fix themself they could add parts, and detailed instructions, for people that like to tinker. But if you open and do the bonus mod your warranty is void. Could be a selling point, and something interesting. It would only cost MS a few for the extra parts (the goo that go in the chip and such).
 
HaloFans said:

I'll have to check that out. Thanks.

Ploid 3.0 said:
Actually this seems like a cool project for fun and as a bonus you know how to fix friend's 360 if it happen to 3red ring. You know, if MS won't do the fix themself they could add parts, and detailed instructions, for people that like to tinker. But if you open and do the bonus mod your warranty is void. Could be a selling point, and something interesting. It would only cost MS a few for the extra parts (the goo that go in the chip and such).

I'm guessing they use crap.

Obviously MS would never do this, but if they did in this hypothetical scenario, I'd shoot their paste right in the trash.
 
Ploid 3.0 said:
Actually this seems like a cool project for fun and as a bonus you know how to fix friend's 360 if it happen to 3red ring. You know, if MS won't do the fix themself they could add parts, and detailed instructions, for people that like to tinker. But if you open and do the bonus mod your warranty is void. Could be a selling point, and something interesting. It would only cost MS a few for the extra parts (the goo that go in the chip and such).

but then they're pretty much admitting that this is a problem
WHICH IS NEVER GOING TO HAPPEN YA KNOW, THINGS BREAK
 
vexvegaz said:
totally agree, but my reason for giving the towel trick advice was to single out the problem that caused him/her to have the 3rlod in the first place. the outcome of the towel trick is the deciding factor on whether he/she should even bother doing the x-clamp mod

pls excuse my poor grammar n terrible spelling
oh I understand now...

yea if the towel trick works even for a min or two this fix will help them 100%
 
HaloFans said:
your eraser mod goes back to the X-clamp mod...

so here is the eraser mod..
http://www.eurasia.nu/wiki/index.php?pagename=Xbox360EraserFixError0102
 
The eraser mod sounds sketchy to me. It makes no sense to put an insulator on those hot little memory chips. Where I to take that route, I make a composite copper/eraser sandwidch .

Something like this:




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Cu VGA memory chip (2mm thick) sandwiched on th bottom with another ~2mm erasor layer. To top of the illustration should signify slots or extrusions* to help dissipate heat. This part would attach to the memory chip with the rubber bit on the underside of the copper. The erasor would mold to the RF housing and prevent the copper prevent the copper from stressing the memory chip excessively.

*Extrusions or fins would surround the copper on all sides.
 
I am the biggest X360 whore, but this SERIOUSLY has to be one of the most f*cked-up pieces of consumer hardware, EVER. One of my friends just got 3RLOD last night during Halo 3 beta. :(
 
Sho Nuff said:
I am the biggest X360 whore, but this SERIOUSLY has to be one of the most f*cked-up pieces of consumer hardware, EVER. One of my friends just got 3RLOD last night during Halo 3 beta. :(
Your friend can try fixing it himself if the warranty has already expired.

Remember, this is the repair success thread.
 
HaloFans said:
Just bought two more this weekend off Ebay. They should both be here by Thursday.
I look forward to hearing how things go. :)

In an odd way, I am almost hoping one of my replacement 360's eventually dies outside the 90 day warranty so I can do one of these fixes and never have to worry about it again. :lol
 
Manufactured Date: 9-24-2005
Xbox 360 Core System
Hitachi Drive

My second broken Xbox 360 purchased in Ebay came in today. Opened it up and fixed it up the same way as the first one. Third one will be coming in tomorrow or Friday. Will post the results of that one, too.

Here are some pictures (Yes, some of them suck.):

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So, I found a piece of aluminum stuck on the GPU heatsink.

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WTF IS THIS!!!!?!?!?!?!

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After cleaning it up and replacing the x-clamps with screws, this is the result!

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(No not blurry pictures)

Green lights!

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Will post more later since this Xbox 360 was just revived and reborn. :)

Need to put this through a test run of games.

Oh yes, time to do problem sets for engineering! Fun fun fun! :(
 
Surely this is illegal...but I'd imagine you could make quite a lot of money buying broken 360s, then selling them back to stores.
 
With those blurry pictures it's hard to really see, but is it possible that aluminum marking is from scorch marks?

You bought so many? I looked out of curiosity and saw they were selling for roughly 130 + 20 shipping. And this was core packs. So throw in a hard drive and you're up to 250. Most didn't even include component cables.

Are you getting these for less? Cause at that price, I'd just as soon wait till this fall when I'm guessing they'll be a price drop, 65nm CPU & GPU, and HDMI. Even without a price drop, I can't justify such a small savings.
 
1-D_FTW said:
With those blurry pictures it's hard to really see, but is it possible that aluminum marking is from scorch marks?

You bought so many? I looked out of curiosity and saw they were selling for roughly 130 + 20 shipping. And this was core packs. So throw in a hard drive and you're up to 250. Most didn't even include component cables.

Are you getting these for less? Cause at that price, I'd just as soon wait till this fall when I'm guessing they'll be a price drop, 65nm CPU & GPU, and HDMI. Even without a price drop, I can't justify such a small savings.

The aluminum appears to be something that was left on during the manufacturing process. Behind the foil, there is a huge glob of thermal grease stuck onto it. I guess something happened during the process of putting on heatsinks in the factories.

Some of them come out to be $100-$115. Throw in a hard drive (+$50-$60 used), and it's not a bad deal at all.

I'm not doing this for profit. I'm just doing this because I just want to show people it is possible to fix their X360s if they encounter the 3ROL and are out of warranty.

If MS continues to use the X-Clamps, then you will always encounter these dreadful 3ROL, and if you paid extended warranty/out of warranty repair, then that's all down the drain. Even with the price drop, you are going to deal with the 3ROL.
 
Thanks heaps for the updates HaloFans. It's interesting to see how even the simpler Lawdawg's method works so well.

Eventually I'm going to have to do this. I look forward to the day when I don't have to live in fear of turning on the box.
 
I have no idea if I could pull this off (don't have one of them newfangled 360s) but if I could find one for dirt cheap it would be worth it alone just to laugh at my unsuccessful attempt. Anybody have any tips for trying eBay? Is the 'red ring' effect always indicative of this same problem or could I end up with a unit that can't be fixed with this method?
 
NakedCosmonaut said:
I have no idea if I could pull this off (don't have one of them newfangled 360s) but if I could find one for dirt cheap it would be worth it alone just to laugh at my unsuccessful attempt. Anybody have any tips for trying eBay? Is the 'red ring' effect always indicative of this same problem or could I end up with a unit that can't be fixed with this method?
Generally, if a console has been unopened and has the 3ROL, it has the error code 0102. Look in the description if it powers on and gives the 3ROL.

Otherwise, if it gives a different error (i.e. E74, 1 flashing red light, 4 flashing red lights), then it's not a x-clamp fault.
 
I just bookmarked this thread, lol. My Xbox360 just passed the one year warranty, so I am extremely sure it will do the frigging red lights of death, especially now that I am playing GRAW 2 so much, a game that "breaks" your 360 (I really doubt this though). So, I play and play... waiting for my beautiful machine to break up. Then I'll either have to spend 130 bucks or do this fix... I prefer to do it myself =P. Thanks to the OP, nice thread.

*Bookmarked*
 
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