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[AniHawk]

:lol Delivered :lol What's next? Conveyed? Distributed? Transported?

Imagined.

 

[Deku]

Wasn't that Morris @ CNN?

Could have been. wished i saved the link. I read it on IGN though and wasn't a quote. So its even worse if that's true.

 

[Mario]

Sony and their "shipped" numbers... that shit is really getting old.

Complaining and arguing about "shipped" versus "sold" is what is getting old.

 

[Version 3.0]

Sony delivers

:lol

That should be their company slogan.

 

[My Arms Your Hearse]

Tell us how much you've actually sold, pussies.

Right back at you, 360?

Seriously, though, people whine all the time when Sony uses shipped figures (which they're completley honest about), but when Microsoft throws out shipped numbers (and uses the dubious phrasing "sold" - re: 5 million 360s) people just go "well, lol, Sony does it too!" and dismiss it. Or try to explain that having units in retail stores is somehow equivalent.

 

[The Abominable Snowman]

PSP:

NA ~ 5.2m
Europe ~ 4.5m
Japan ~ 3.7m
Other ~ 0.6m
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Total ~ 14m

I thought it passed .6m in Korea alone...

I mean, I'm not trynna say "You forgot such and such place" but I think the PSP mightve sold stronger in "other" territories than other systems barring PS1/2 usually do.

 

[jarrod]

I thought it passed .6m in Korea alone...

I mean, I'm not trynna say "You forgot such and such place" but I think the PSP mightve sold stronger in "other" territories than other systems barring PS1/2 usually do.

Sales were strong initially (130k shipped in it's first 6 weeks) but then it reportedly slowed to a halt (only 200k shipped total as of November 2005). I'd say 300-350k now in Korea's probably a safer bet but it gets tricky figuring "sold through" figures... 600k for Asia Pacific may actually be on target honestly.

 

[The Abominable Snowman]

Sales were strong initially (130k shipped in it's first 6 weeks) but then it reportedly slowed to a halt (only 200k shipped total as of November 2005). I'd say 300-350k now in Korea's probably a safer bet but it gets tricky figuring "sold through" figures... 600k for Asia Pacific may actually be on target honestly.

Cool. where'd you get your info?

 

[jarrod]

Cool. where'd you get your info?

Memory, but it should all be in old SCEK PRs. You can probably dig them up on the forum actually.

 

[Forceatowulf]

Right back at you, 360?

Seriously, though, people whine all the time when Sony uses shipped figures (which they're completley honest about), but when Microsoft throws out shipped numbers (and uses the dubious phrasing "sold" - re: 5 million 360s) people just go "well, lol, Sony does it too!" and dismiss it. Or try to explain that having units in retail stores is somehow equivalent.

Are you trying to say GAF is biased somehow?

 

[Dilbert]

Complaining and arguing about "shipped" versus "sold" is what is getting old.

Yup.

I swear, jarrod must remove his pants and get busy with himself every time he sees a thread where he gets to gloat over PSP sales numbers.

 

[Conrad Link]

Lets get some DS numbers shipped in here! :lol

We gotta discuss/mock SOMETHING, I wouldn't say arguing about "shipped" versus "sold" is what is getting old..... I still enjoy it. ^_^

Also:

Doomed!! :lol

 

[My Arms Your Hearse]

Are you trying to say GAF is biased somehow?

Not necessarily, but only Sony seems to get bitched at about this topic. MS has released nothin but shipped figures and shipped targets for 360, and nobody bats an eye.

Maybe the thinking is that Sony is only releasing shipped numbers for PSP because it is being 'destroyed' by DS in sales, and they're afraid of releasing the actual numbers... though they've almost exclusively released shipped numbers for PS2 too, despite objectively annihilating the competition.

 

[artful_dodger]

Shipped = Sold in sony's financials. If they are shipping consistently, that means that retailers have had to re-order, meaning that consumers are buying the product.

WTF is so hard to understand about this?

OMG Shipped != Sold therefore Sony isn't actually making money off teh PSP!

Sony sells to retailers, retailers sell to consumers. Retailers = shipped.

 

[koam]

Not necessarily, but only Sony seems to get bitched at about this topic. MS has released nothin but shipped figures and shipped targets for 360, and nobody bats an eye.

Maybe the thinking is that Sony is only releasing shipped numbers for PSP because it is being 'destroyed' by DS in sales, and they're afraid of releasing the actual numbers... though they've almost exclusively released shipped numbers for PS2 too, despite objectively annihilating the competition.

Uhh, of course they do. Don't you remember the 6 million X360 fiasco?

 

[My Arms Your Hearse]

Uhh, of course they do. Don't you remember the 6 million X360 fiasco?

Yes. I do believe the outcry was more over MS's dubious use of the word "sold" rather than the fact they were actually reporting /shipped/ figures.

 

[Version 3.0]

Shipped = Sold in sony's financials. If they are shipping consistently, that means that retailers have had to re-order, meaning that consumers are buying the product.

WTF is so hard to understand about this?

OMG Shipped != Sold therefore Sony isn't actually making money off teh PSP!

Sony sells to retailers, retailers sell to consumers. Retailers = shipped.

The reason people bitch about Sony's shipped numbers is because the disparity between their shipped numbers and sales tracking like NPD is much larger than, say, Nintendo's.

Which means comparing "shipped" to "shipped" is not apples to apples. What's so hard to understand about that?

And don't be so sure about the "re-order" bit there. Sony is very arrogant with retailers (I'm not saying they're the only one, btw). They can and do ship things that retailers don't want or need. I don't know if they've done this with the PSP, but they certainly did it with Killzone.

 

[Forceatowulf]

Not necessarily, but only Sony seems to get bitched at about this topic. MS has released nothin but shipped figures and shipped targets for 360, and nobody bats an eye.

Maybe the thinking is that Sony is only releasing shipped numbers for PSP because it is being 'destroyed' by DS in sales, and they're afraid of releasing the actual numbers... though they've almost exclusively released shipped numbers for PS2 too, despite objectively annihilating the competition.

I was actually being sarcastic but you still make a good point.

 

[Kobun Heat]

The number of unsold PSPs in the retail channel in the US alone is roughly equal to the number of PSPs that Sony has sold through in Japan.

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yeah.

 

[Deku]

If Sony didn't overship PSPs and then turn around and keep releasing these same numbers over and over again there would be no real issue.

 

[Juice]

The number of unsold PSPs in the retail channel in the US alone is roughly equal to the number of PSPs that Sony has sold through in Japan.

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yeah.

I want you, your waggle wand, and your inconvenient truths out of this thread! Scoot!

 

[Juice]

I just thought of one reason why it's good that Sony keeps overdelivering PSP units: it keeps the backstock at as low a firmware as possible. Should anything ever happen to mine, it's comforting to know that there are still 4 million unsold (and downgradeable) 2.6 units on shelves.

 

[Mook1e]

Wasn't there a thread a few weeks ago with details of the last quarter's PSP shipments and they were horribly low?

If Sony isn't trying to clear out the "old" model PSP before a redesign re-launch, they're going to start looking even more foolish as less and less PSPs are "sold" to retailers per quarter from now on.

 

[Mook1e]

If Sony didn't overship PSPs there would be no real issue.

Fixed.
No one complains about Sony posting shipped numbers for PS2, because it's actually selling (and number 1)

 

[Frankfurter]

Wasn't there a thread a few weeks ago with details of the last quarter's PSP shipments and they were horribly low?

If Sony isn't trying to clear out the "old" model PSP before a redesign re-launch, they're going to start looking even more foolish as less and less PSPs are "sold" to retailers per quarter from now on.

They shipped about 2m which was probably still more than PSP sold.

 

[cvxfreak]

Fixed.
No one complains about Sony posting shipped numbers for PS2, because it's actually selling (and number 1)

I think that's a pretty important detail in the whole argument.

 

[Jokeropia]

Shipped = Sold in sony's financials.

No, shipped = produced in Sony's financials.

Production shipments units of hardware and software are counted upon shipments of the products from manufacturing bases. Sales of such products are recognized when the products are delivered to customers.

http://www.sony.net/SonyInfo/IR/financial/fr/06q1_sony.pdf