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Old People: When can we take their privileges away?
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If you want to strip there driving privleges away for safety reasons then the only people allowed to drive should be 30-60 year old as every one else is far to dangerous.
if old people really caused more accidents then younger people then you would know about it and they too, would be paying out there nose for car insurance.
if old people really caused more accidents then younger people then you would know about it and they too, would be paying out there nose for car insurance.
Dark Octave
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I know a kid that's more mature than the majority of us, but she still can't drink because of her age.g0est said:
Keylime
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The difference is that the rebellious younger drivers are choosing their actions whereas the older people can't help themselves due to deteriorated mental quickness or physical reflexes.FreezeSSC said:
You can't stop young kids from driving recklessly, as anyone anywhere can choose to drive recklessly. No test could be administered that would test one's likelihood to drive poorly on purpose.
Being able to drive properly at all is really the only thing you can test.
RubxQub said:
didnt you say earlier that since you couldnt test for some things that it would be better to just use a broad brush stroke of generalization?
i mean which one has more potential? an old person at the end of his life dieing or a young person? if you say the young person than it would be in our best interest as a society to try and protect them from themselves! provide public transit to the 18-29 year olds like we do the 4-18 year olds when they are in school, its the only way to really be safe and insure we have a safe bright future for these young people!
milkyjay20
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Arthrus said:
and like i asked that guy, did you start the iraq/af-pak war?
when it comes to ww2 vets, aka the really old, well ww2 was a war that we had to fight. if the americans did not enter the war, who knows what would've happened? we could all be singing allegiances to a long dead hitler!
as for vietnam, well, people back then didn't have access to the internet. they thought the war meant something.
Keylime
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I did, and that's why currently the bar is set for driving where it is. The government's used the broad brush approach to determine what age "feels right" to let people start to drive based on capability and needs.FreezeSSC said:
Again, people choosing to drive poorly can't be controlled, but ensuring that people can drive properly at all is completely necessary. Right now we do it once and assume you've got it, I'm saying that over time, this should be checked to ensure that the driver still knows their rights from lefts, reds from greens, blind spots and signals and awareness.
RubxQub said:
Yes well i think to test for there mental capability should be probably something there physician should handle, anyone over the age of 60 should be going to the doctor every few years anyways. if the physician deems them unfit for driving then they get a restricted or revoked liscense, and that way you dont just cut a bunch of normal people out of being able to drive or waste everyone's time by mandating all these mandatory tests.
Keylime
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It would be asking them to basically retake the same test that they had to take back when they were a teenager.FreezeSSC said:
Behind the Wheel driven test + written test very few years or so.
This would just be there to verify that they can still satisfactorily drive up to the standards set for everyone. This is why I mentioned that subjecting everyone to this wouldn't be a bad thing.
I do believe we do need to have people get retested at various intervals in regards to driving. I feel as if there should be certain ages and circumstances in which a person should be required to retake a driving test. 60years old perhaps. And after any health issue arises than may degrade driving ability such as a stroke.
missbreedsiddx said:
60!
People are going to have to be working into their 70's in the coming decades, you cannot start making people potentially lose their license at 60. (unless as you state, they have had some massive issue).
Heck, lets just make all 60+ people drive cars made out of cardboard, that way they are sure to die in an accident and not kill the other person.
If we are allowed to be way honest here, asian women are statistically the threat of all threats. (fact. sorry its true).
Nobody is asking anyone to drive cardboard cars. And I don't care how long they have to work, if they are unable to drive safely, they don't get to drive.
Hell i've long thought we should retest people after any major accident that indicates piss poor driving caused it, regardless of age.
Hell i've long thought we should retest people after any major accident that indicates piss poor driving caused it, regardless of age.
Well.. seriously. If somebody can drive safely.. they deserve to have a DL if they are 16, or if they are 95.
I think it should have nothing to do with age.
However, the older you get, the more likely you are to have physical and mental limitations to your abilities. I think (in my grandfather's case) doctors can recognize these symptoms and make suggestions to the proper people.
I think it should have nothing to do with age.
However, the older you get, the more likely you are to have physical and mental limitations to your abilities. I think (in my grandfather's case) doctors can recognize these symptoms and make suggestions to the proper people.
Honestly the whole driving examination needs to be tougher, here in CA it's a joke. And as for increased intervals for retesting. You should be flagged for it if you receive driving violations / tickets.
Age shouldnt matter as much as skill and ability, although i will admit age does affect it.
Age shouldnt matter as much as skill and ability, although i will admit age does affect it.
Keylime
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Not so secret anymore...thanks :/JCX said:
Sadly I can't find information around elderly accident to teenage accident ratios, all I can find is that old people lead in the fatalities department in regards to accidents, so enough of them are getting in accidents to win out that category. Obviously them being older and more brittle is an attributing factor, but this could also indicate that the accidents involving older people are more severe in nature. Again, I can't seem to find great info on this.methos75 said:
PantherLotus
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My wife and I were broadsided by an old lady on medication. If I hadn't have swerved into the other lane, she would have hit my wife head-on and killed her.
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They the whole war?milkyjay20 said:
So guilty till proven innocent.
I never really understood this, We'll throw chance after chance on shitty young drivers or adults. Cellphones? Ipods? any other type of distraction and they get into a crash. And they'll easily be able to get a second chance as long as they didn't kill someone or go drunk driving. An older person gets into a minor one, It must be age and he shouldn't be allowed to drive.
It's true that you're ability to function does diminish as you age.Yet, I'd rather take my chance with a crappy old person out on the road than another soccer mom talking on her cellphone while driving her SUV. If you want to apply more regulations to older folks. I think it should apply to everyone as it is. Once you get into that first crash or something were your at fault. You have to go in to the DMV. That would definitely change some people around :lol I don't really think it's fair to call out that 70 year old just because he's old...yet he hasn't ever been in an accident for 50years.
I never really understood this, We'll throw chance after chance on shitty young drivers or adults. Cellphones? Ipods? any other type of distraction and they get into a crash. And they'll easily be able to get a second chance as long as they didn't kill someone or go drunk driving. An older person gets into a minor one, It must be age and he shouldn't be allowed to drive.
It's true that you're ability to function does diminish as you age.Yet, I'd rather take my chance with a crappy old person out on the road than another soccer mom talking on her cellphone while driving her SUV. If you want to apply more regulations to older folks. I think it should apply to everyone as it is. Once you get into that first crash or something were your at fault. You have to go in to the DMV. That would definitely change some people around :lol I don't really think it's fair to call out that 70 year old just because he's old...yet he hasn't ever been in an accident for 50years.
Keylime
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As I mentioned before, the ability to choose to drive poorly is always present, regardless of capability. I'm just suggesting merely to test capability.shintoki said:
If someone can no longer tell red from green, doesn't know how to check their blind spots, signal properly, obey street signs, etc, then they are a danger not because they choose to be, but because they can't help themselves.
How we get people to stop multi-tasking while driving seems like another issue to me.
Barbacoatl
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Old geezers are stubborn to death. Both of my grandpa's still drive, but the maternal one worries me. He's a menace to himself and society at the wheel of his '80-so ford bronco. The other one, while still sharp, insists on driving a dying el camino. Great ride, I agree, but it's not the same machine anymore. He's got a perfectly fine '95 dodge spirit locked in the garage collecting dust.
Keylime
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What about the freedoms of people that wish to drive/smoke/drink/vote that do not meet the government set ages?methos75 said:
...or is it more of a "except for the ones that are already in place" type of oath?
I'm being facetious, but those restrictions were put in place to both protect themselves and society, and what I'm proposing does the same for more or less the same reasons.
Link1110
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I think that old people should be forced to take a Speed Test every year to keep their drivers licenses.
No, I don't mean speed the thing, I mean Speed the movie. They go on some specific out of the way road or something for a half hour, and if they drop below 55mph even for a second, they lose their license permantly.
No, I don't mean speed the thing, I mean Speed the movie. They go on some specific out of the way road or something for a half hour, and if they drop below 55mph even for a second, they lose their license permantly.
Byakuya769
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RubxQub said:
Also, young drivers are more productive and thus their driving benefits the general productivity of the nation more so than senior drivers would
... my man.
An old gentleman who lived across the street from an apartment building we own passed out (from too much or lack of heart medication, not sure which) in his car, had his foot jammed on the gas, smashed through his own building's automated steel gate as it was opening, across the wide two-lane street, mowed down the fence that divides ours and our neighbors property, clipped the back corner of our building, took out the air conditioning compressor by the front door, and slammed into our concrete wall.
He not only lived, he didn't have a scratch on him. Climbed out of the car a bit groggy as if he had taken an afternoon nap. He was very lucky that the children who usually play out there on a Sunday afternoon weren't out there.
To top it off, his vehicle insurance didn't even cover all the damage, since he had to pay his own building, our neighbor, and us.
We even found out later that this wasn't the first time he'd had an accident related to his age/meds.
Anyway, this was my long-winded way of saying I definitely agree that at some point, seniors need some sort of standard testing of their driving proficiency. For one thing, if they take ten minutes to write a check out at the grocery store because they're fumbling with the pen and asking three times what the amount is, then they shouldn't drive, because their reflexes are already shot, in my opinion.
He not only lived, he didn't have a scratch on him. Climbed out of the car a bit groggy as if he had taken an afternoon nap. He was very lucky that the children who usually play out there on a Sunday afternoon weren't out there.
To top it off, his vehicle insurance didn't even cover all the damage, since he had to pay his own building, our neighbor, and us.
We even found out later that this wasn't the first time he'd had an accident related to his age/meds.
Anyway, this was my long-winded way of saying I definitely agree that at some point, seniors need some sort of standard testing of their driving proficiency. For one thing, if they take ten minutes to write a check out at the grocery store because they're fumbling with the pen and asking three times what the amount is, then they shouldn't drive, because their reflexes are already shot, in my opinion.
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