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Older Naruto, Sasuke, Sakura, and Hinata will be playable in Ultimate Ninja Storm 4
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TacticalFox88
Banned
If you don't think Kishi has some internalized misogyny I have a bridge to sell you
even then she was pretty much support/healer type.
which I guess is the point.
The women in naruto are all strong, sure, but their roles in the overall story/battles tend to be reserved to just be... "women", then key gamechangers.
And even then naruto stole the support role too with his fox chakra party buff move.
Psycho_Mantis
Banned
Err I was talking about Kaguya the goddess.
Gamechangers......so Sakura saving Sasuke and Naruto's lives was not game changing....oh wait it actually was.
Tsunade was also incredibly important when the kages fought Madara.
Kaguya doesn't seem like a support/hearler type.
I think the series had decent roles for women as they were very often necessary for their teams or arcs. Kaguya herself seemed like a gamechanger towards the end. But the series didn't have many gamechangers at all. Naruto is arguable the only gamechanger in the series. But thats kind of standard for a shounen manga anyways, right?
The focus was on Sakura and Kakashi? News to me. For how much of the focus they got did Naruto and Sasuke develop? Not a lot. Aside from Naruto being sad over Jiraiya and taking his savior role way too seriously, and Sasuke being sad over Itachi and turning heel so many times, there's wasn't a whole lot of growth to their characters over 700 chapters. Certainly not so much that it warranted that much panel time. Look at what someone like George Martin can do over the course of one book with one character. A whole lot more on average than Kishimoto did, and that is with the advantage you have with pictures over words in terms of how many pages you need to detail a series of events.
Kishimoto could have developed the entire Konoha 12, much of Konoha, the Kages, the jinchuuriki, the villains, other ancillary characters in less time than he actually spent on the manga.
1. Apparently Hinata is now a 10/10 and it must go on noticed! 0_0
2. I mentioned Ino since I hardly watched Shippuden and she was best girl since I last remembered her...and she still is!
And that's where the fun began...
Psycho_Mantis
Banned
It will finish in the latter half of this year most likely. Its filler right now for a couple of months. Things really escalate towards the end and some great fights are coming up.
DryEyeRelief
Member
Part 2/Shippuden is way longer than it should be. Anime watchers, although the conclusion to the final conflict was good, it left me wondering why it took a decade to reach that point.
DangerMouse
Member
I heard the manga ended already so I assume the anime will finish later this year.
Has to end this year for sure, the filler arc is only delaying the inevitable here.
Raonak
Banned
Well, hinita barely gets any screen time, so there's not much time for character development. But unlike sakura, she doesn't go out of her way to be annoying.
Plus her liking the main character off the bat would instantly make her more popular.
Sakura on the other hand goes out of her way to be a grating character, obsession with sauce even when he tried killing her multiple times, and that nonsense she pulls during the 5 kage summit arc. She has so much screen time but wastes it.
BreezyLimbo
Banned
This was awesome. With some proper formatting it can truly be the secret history of Naruto.
Beautiful.
I don't know what any of that means.
Hinata was not even in the story for all of part 2 besides one panel where her new design was introduced hiding from Naruto, then she got shoved into the limelight just to confess to naruto in one chapter, got her ass kicked, and was subsequently booted out until the final fight with one scene where her cousin dies while she thinks about naruto, trips over a rock while worrying about Naruto and is not even a factor until the epilogue to show off Naruto's kid.
How does anyone even defend something as egregious as that? Its insulting. Shikamaru and Gaara talk Naruto up, but atleast they have other facets to their character beyond just being his cheerleader. The only time Hinata ever even shows up is when it has something to do with him and that's it. She needed way more time in the oven to shape her own individual goals and scenarios, but she wasn't going to get that anyway because that's Kishimoto's idea of writing.
I'll agree there was a genuine sense of trajectory in part 1 for Sakura to finally make some strides. But that just makes her part 2 character worse, because she does get better for like a second, then regresses to her old ways where all she thinks about is what Sasuke thinks of her even to the point where she has to be saved multiple times just to 'prove' herself to him in the final battle. Its pitiful and disgusting
IF someone would actually put that in a format that wasn't impossible to read, it would be pretty funny.
foxuzamaki
Doesn't read OPs, especially not his own
sakura is a doctor in 700, being at home, cleaning your house doesnt automatically make you a "housewife" which btw theres nothing wrong with being one as some women prefer to be one
Psycho_Mantis
Banned
DryEyeRelief
Member
due to the power escalation it could be argued otherwise heh.
Well here is where we differ again. Just like how I think Sasori didn't help Sakura's character, I don't think slapping Hinata with a fight or an off tangent flashback would help her character, especially if the main complaint is that she didn't interact more with Naruto.
If you have a character that exists to be a rival, then you develop them, as a rival to the main character. If you have a character that exists to be a love interest, then you develop them, as a love interest.
The only traction Hinata has in this story is that...she's the only character with a reason to love. If Hinata exists to Naruto kun it up, then you develop her with regards to Naruto. You develop it so there's multiple facets to their relationship, a sense of progression, or something.
Rebel Leader
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I don't think Kishi is rubbing his hands together thinking about how to fuck over the female characters. I think he is just poor at balance a large cast of characters to the point where they are often thrown to the wayside.
Kiba and Shino probably suffered far worse than Ino and Hinata in terms of character development and situations. Hell you had no idea what Kiba wanted to do until the final battle which was just a stock (I want to be Hokage Dream)
Hell, the amount of times they were have been killed at the final fight with Ino's skill was at least 2.
However, the ultimate Irony is the fact that the only Female that had a dream with no connection to a male character is Tenten...at least she got to open up her weapon shop like she wanted.
Kiba and Shino probably suffered far worse than Ino and Hinata in terms of character development and situations. Hell you had no idea what Kiba wanted to do until the final battle which was just a stock (I want to be Hokage Dream)
Hell, the amount of times they were have been killed at the final fight with Ino's skill was at least 2.
However, the ultimate Irony is the fact that the only Female that had a dream with no connection to a male character is Tenten...at least she got to open up her weapon shop like she wanted.
Winterfang
Banned
Tenten is the main female in the spin off Rock Lee manga so that's something. Especially considering that her running gag was she getting a lot of panel time, for a character with no connection to the story.
My issue with Sakura specifically isnt just about fighting. In the gaara arc, she fought which was fine, but more importantly she was also involved in the events of the story in a dramatic way, she was furthering the story by putting herself out there to do something dramatic to shape the narrative. She was actually contributing something that was important along with Chiyo, along with showing her growth and competency from not doing much in part 1 besides crying.
After that, all she does is cry once again and becomes the basic go to healer any medic Nin such as Tsunade could be. She never influences the narrative at any time after that. And that's what's pathetic, even when she's on the ground acting like a useless nothing by the end begging.
Circling back to Hinata, its the same thing. Hinata never influences the narrative ever. You can say she's a support character and she isnt going to do that, but that has no bearing on her actually doing literally anything outside of slapping a big "Naruto's property" label on her forehead, because that's basically all we're supposed to see when she's on screen. She never does anything else in the entire series. That's not acceptable writing to me.
That is something i wholeheartedly disagree with. Such strict guidelines essentially demotes a characters worth into something that can easily be classified as a preset gender role(for love interest) or just a shallow role in general that leaves no room for the character to naturally grow outside of that very specific role.
Just because a created idea is defined as a love interest, Hinata for example,does not mean that she is automatically supposed to say "hey i'm in love' every time she's on the page in order to get that point across. Do something else. Be an actual CHARACTER, that grows and acts like an actual believable human being, instead of a role.
That was my main contention with Sasuke too. Kishi spent so much so much time saying "he's a rival" to Naruto, that he basically destroyed anything else in the series because in the end, nobody took their rivalry seriously because it was so forced in order to keep the divide between them going until the end even though it made no sense, and also, it left no time whatsoever for anyone else. Just because Sasuke is "the rival" doesn't mean he has to be all Naruto thinks about for the series.
And that never happened, because it was all Hinata for the whole series. Hence the movie. If it was Naruto slowly getting into her throughout the series and not just thrown together with her because "she confessed, i guess i have to get with her now cause i obviously can't get with the other one" is just wrong. There needs to be proper development in that relationship and this series just didn't have that at all.
I read too many manga that are much higher in quality in regards to many of the things Naruto as a series attempts, seeing Naruto get a pass for its major flaws with a wave of the hand is very annoying, just because its mainstream.
Winterfang
Banned
Naruto isn't really about romance, Kishimoto just realized there's a big shipper audience in the series and just threw a bone from time to time. I would personally wanted Naruto to end with Sakura, since he displayed interest in her from the entire series.
Lee Chaolan
Member
Naruto's getting as bad as Goku with his 37 forms,
Winterfang
Banned
Is always the same form, just getting perfected over the time.
Lee Chaolan
Member
Cipher Cat
Banned
It's time to pair Sasuke with Hinata. Sasuke's Sharinegan (Sharingan + Rinnegan) + Hinata's Byakugan. Together they create the ultimate Ninja.
As Naruto being Hokage he won't be at home all the time. Sasuke just has to sneak into their house when Naruto is busy.
Welfare
Member
He's got his base form, Sage Mode, Bijuu mode (which can be combined with Sage Mode),
and Rikudo Sennin Mode
Aizen, Lelouch and Light out of nowhere LMAO
Winterfang
Banned
I'll count the one inside the tag as the same as bijou mode, it's jut a more complete form. And even the.
Callibretto
Member
I'd rather have playable Menma from the previous movie. In fact I want most of rtn alternate to be playable. Even if its just alternate costume. Need RTN Hinata.
ZeronosVega
Member
Ultimate Ninja Storm 3 has Road to Ninja Hinata as a DLC costume (and I believe it's included in UNS3: Full Burst along with most of the DLC).
This is fantastic.
Vermillion
Banned
100%
Boss Doggie
all my loli wolf companions are so moe
Are people seriously hating Hinata because she isn't the typical "strong woman" archetype? Hell, she developed into being a mature, strong character while keeping her shyness.
XiaNaphryz
LATIN, MATRIPEDICABUS, DO YOU SPEAK IT
*browses thread*
The Hinata salt still flowing I see.
The Hinata salt still flowing I see.
Smiles and Cries
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Callibretto
Member
both naruto and sasuke lose arm, tsunade made a new one for both but Sasuke left without it, probably implied he decided not to take the arm in the end.
Yo this person speaks the truth!