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[Jonnyboy117]

Speaking of American foods in glass bottles, does anyone know where I can get a bottle of REAL Heinz ketchup, the stuff they have in restaurants? I'm getting really sick of the inferior junk they sell in plastic bottles at the grocery store.

 

[Tornado Condor]

MEXICO GETS BETTER COCA COLA THAN US..

MEXICO GETS BETTER COCA COLA THAN US..

MEXICO GETS BETTER COCA COLA THAN US..

MEXICO GETS BETTER COCA COLA THAN US..

MEXICO GETS BETTER COCA COLA THAN US..

MEXICO GETS BETTER COCA COLA THAN US..

MEXICO GETS BETTER COCA COLA THAN US..

QFMFT

 

[distantmantra]

Speaking of American foods in glass bottles, does anyone know where I can get a bottle of REAL Heinz ketchup, the stuff they have in restaurants? I'm getting really sick of the inferior junk they sell in plastic bottles at the grocery store.

I've seen the glass bottles in grocery stores before.

 

[Rorschach]

I thought this was common knowledge. Yeah, Mexican soda >>>>>>>>>> US soda. Jarritos ftw XD

I hate that Fanta was taken over and sucks now, though.

 

[distantmantra]

I thought this was common knowledge. Yeah, Mexican soda >>>>>>>>>> US soda. Jarritos ftw XD

I hate that Fanta was taken over and sucks now, though.

Please don't say that Mexican Fanta is just like American Fanta... please?

 

[demon]

I always hated coke as a kid, but I remember going to Cancun with my family (for the third time) my junior year of highschool and buying a bottle of coke at the Chichen Itza pyramids, and thinking "damn, this is better than any coke I've ever tasted".

 

[borghe]

yeah, we were able to get a few 2 liters of sucrose coke during passover. the difference is slight but noticeable. sucrose coke is not quite as sweet as fructose coke. I will have to find the link, but apparently pepsi and possibly coke are looking at reintroducing sucrose versions back into markets full time as "Natural" versions.

I basically try to limit my soft drink intake quite severely. It is much easier to not care about the various problems associated with the various sweeteners if you simply moderate your intake. though days I bike to work I usually have two 20oz Mountain Dews (non-diet).

 

[jamesinclair]

I sit reading this thread while enjoying my Fanta which contains real sugar and 10% orange juice

 

[distantmantra]

I sit reading this thread while enjoying my Fanta which contains real sugar and 10% orange juice

I hate you.

And, if you're in Japan, I hate you even more. Their zany Fanta flavors were awesome.

 

[Somnid]

The difference to me is about as great as the taste difference from container to container.

Glass bottle > Plastic bottle > Can

A lucky soda fountain is always the best though. Also, I think most people are preconditioned to assume that that "natural" version is always the best. This is just stupid though.

 

[BobFromPikeCreek]

The US has different coke than us? (I live in Canada) Wait. The US has worse coke than us?

Take that you Cookie Crisp hoarding bastards!

 

[Ghengis Cohen]

Read the first chapter of the Omnivore's Dillemma if you want a good answer to why America is inundated with high fructose corn syrup (and corn in general).

 

[radios shipping overview]

Yum! Boylan sodas are all made with cane sugar. They're so tasty.

 

[borghe]

Read the first chapter of the Omnivore's Dillemma if you want a good answer to why America is inundated with high fructose corn syrup (and corn in general).

I thought it was common well-known knowledge? To sum up:

1. Domestic sugar growers lobbied for tariffs on imported sugar.
2. Domestic corn growers lobbied for subsidies on corn used for HFCS.
3. Directly as a result of 1 and 2, HFCS is cheaper than domestic sugar and a shitload cheaper than imported sugar.

Without 2, domestic sugar would be more competitively priced with HFCS. Without 1, imported sugar would be more competitively priced with HFCS. Without 1 and 2, imported sugar would be a shitload cheaper than HFCS. However the sugar lobby doesn't want to give up 1 or domestic sugar production will take a hit, and the corn growers don't want to give up 2 or their corn once again becomes worthless. Although as has been pointed out, once E85 "FlexFuel" becomes more prominent, it may be in the corn growers best interest to ease up on the HFCS subsidy lobby.

Once you get outside of america with its insane levels of corn production, most of these problems fall away.

 

[Ghengis Cohen]

That's the gist of it but Michael pollan tells it better than you.

 

[distantmantra]

Yum! Boylan sodas are all made with cane sugar. They're so tasty.

As are Jones Soda products. I've also read that a few independent bottlers still make Mountain Dew with cane sugar.

Only two non-Pepsi franchises exist in the United States for the production of Mountain Dew. At the time of Mountain Dew's acquisition by Pepsi, there were 56 franchise agreements, only 16 of which were not held by a Pepsi bottler. The two remaining agreements are permanent; however, the size of their territories are believed to be small enough to make them insignificant to Pepsi. [26]

* West Jefferson Dr Pepper (WJDP) of West Jefferson, NC. The company does not ship outside its contracted territory, however several Web sites sell the product at a premium price. The premium price can be justified by the fact that WJDP is the last bottler in the U.S. to produce Mountain Dew with cane sugar [27] (instead of High Fructose Corn Syrup, or HFCS). WJDP is notable for producing all their non-diet products with cane sugar, most of which are Cadbury Schweppes Americas Beverages (formerly Dr Pepper/Seven Up, Inc.) products.

* RC Cola Bottling of Winchester, Winchester, VA. The company produces Mountain Dew, but uses High Fructose Corn Syrup (HFCS) like all Pepsi bottlers.

 

[DonCuco]

Why does the US get the shitty Coca Cola? Both Canada and Mexico get the good stuff, but we get stuck with the corn syrup shit. Is there any real answer for this? To repeat: MEXICO GETS BETTER COCA COLA THAN US. And yes, it really does taste a ton better.

It's cheaper for the US company to use corn syrup than to use the real thing. I believe this all started back when Coke released the New Coke that everybody hated. After that they went back to Coca Cola Classic, but began to use corn syrup instead. I think coke and the rest of the soda companies should release a real sugar version, and let the consumer pay a little more for that.

 

[distantmantra]

It's cheaper for the US company to use corn syrup than to use the real thing. I believe this all started back when Coke released the New Coke that everybody hated. After that they went back to Coca Cola Classic, but began to use corn syrup instead. I think coke and the rest of the soda companies should release a real sugar version, and let the consumer pay a little more for that.

Pepsi and Coke switched to HFCS in 1984. New Coke didn't come out until 1985.

 

[bluemax]

I live in East L.A. and they're all over the place . Well, in Mexican stores anyways, but since those are all over the place the bottled cokes are also all over the place.

So that is the secret eh. I'm gonna hit up one of the many fine mexican grocery stores here in South Central and get me some sugar Coca Cola.

Also Jarritos is pretty good, except the Tamarind. Tamarind anything is gross.

yeah, we were able to get a few 2 liters of sucrose coke during passover. the difference is slight but noticeable. sucrose coke is not quite as sweet as fructose coke. I will have to find the link, but apparently pepsi and possibly coke are looking at reintroducing sucrose versions back into markets full time as "Natural" versions.

I basically try to limit my soft drink intake quite severely. It is much easier to not care about the various problems associated with the various sweeteners if you simply moderate your intake. though days I bike to work I usually have two 20oz Mountain Dews (non-diet).

I couldn't find these two liters in South Central. Should've gone to the Jewish part of LA I guess.

 

[greatestjediever]

So wait, do people like sucrose Coke becaues it's less sweet? Or is it something else? I would figure as much since fructose is quite a bit sweeter than sucrose and glucose.

 

[heavy liquid]

So wait, do people like sucrose Coke becaues it's less sweet? Or is it something else? I would figure as much since fructose is quite a bit sweeter than sucrose and glucose.

Not only is it better for you, but many people (myself included) think it tastes better.

It's not a HUGE difference, but it doesn't have the slightly chemical aftertaste that I get with regular Coke. I'm not sure how else to describe it. It also hasn't tasted less sweet to me, so I'm sure it varies from person to person. However, one thing most people seem to agree on is that they like Coke with sugar rather than with HFCS when given a choice.

 

[Odrion]

There's a less syrupy taste to it. More crisp and refreshing.

I also want Crystal Pepsi back. :[

 

[IntestineBoy]

Let me say this:

Jones Soda, an all Cane Soda company, has the exclusive contract to provide soft drinks to Qwest Field, and is now the official soft drink of the Seattle Seahawks. They are developing a Cola and a Diet Cola for use int he stadium, but I wonder if it wont be the best damn cola in the world, and hit mass production soon after.

 

[distantmantra]

Let me say this:

Jones Soda, an all Cane Soda company, has the exclusive contract to provide soft drinks to Qwest Field, and is now the official soft drink of the Seattle Seahawks. They are developing a Cola and a Diet Cola for use int he stadium, but I wonder if it wont be the best damn cola in the world, and hit mass production soon after.

Jones has already said they'll sell their colas outside of Qwest Field, at least here in the Seattle area.

 

[clearacell]

So that is the secret eh. I'm gonna hit up one of the many fine mexican grocery stores here in South Central and get me some sugar Coca Cola.

Also Jarritos is pretty good, except the Tamarind. Tamarind anything is gross.



I couldn't find these two liters in South Central. Should've gone to the Jewish part of LA I guess.

Just went to the store two blocks from my house

I didn't get any though, since I only drink diet soda :lol

 

[Enron]

Let me say this:

Jones Soda, an all Cane Soda company, has the exclusive contract to provide soft drinks to Qwest Field, and is now the official soft drink of the Seattle Seahawks. They are developing a Cola and a Diet Cola for use int he stadium, but I wonder if it wont be the best damn cola in the world, and hit mass production soon after.

You can get Jones soda in restaraunts around here.

 

[SofaKing]

"JESUS SAVES because he shops at WAL-MART."

 

[bluemax]

Just went to the store two blocks from my house

I didn't get any though, since I only drink diet soda :lol

Haha that looks like the 7-11 around here, except the Coke and Pepsi at 7-11 are normal plastic bottle stuff. Still there is a Mexican grocery or convenience store like every other block around here. It shouldn't be too hard to find this magic Coke.

Is there any special markings on the bottles?

You can get Jones soda in restaraunts around here.

You can get it at stores in LA. And some smaller eating establishments probably have it.

 

[borghe]

Not only is it better for you, but many people (myself included) think it tastes better.

the whole health aspect of HFCS is HIGHLY debated. Most of the tests done are with higher fructose levels than what are generally seen in the type of HFCS used for soft drinks. It has actually been proven that HFCS metabolizes almost the exact same as sucrose. There are also studies showing the whole satiety thing is wrong also. Not saying those studies aren't wrong.. just saying there is no definite proof on HFCS one way or another.

My belief is simply that the less processed foods we take into our body the better. Also I prefer the more subtle sweetness of cane sugar cola compared to HFCS cola.

 

[radios shipping overview]

Yep, I've read enough to be convinced that there aren't health benefits with sucrose over HFCS. It'll all make you fat and give you diabetes if you overindulge. Cane sugar just tastes better to me.

 

[The Faceless Master]

one of the best things about going back to the caribbean is getting coke with real sugar!

i even brought a few bottles back the last time.

and yes, there is a definite taste difference.

 

[Tarazet]

I'll be happy when I can buy Diet Coke with Splenda in the big cases at Costco. That's all I ask!!!

 

[DonCuco]

Not only is it better for you, but many people (myself included) think it tastes better.

It's not a HUGE difference, but it doesn't have the slightly chemical aftertaste that I get with regular Coke. I'm not sure how else to describe it. It also hasn't tasted less sweet to me, so I'm sure it varies from person to person. However, one thing most people seem to agree on is that they like Coke with sugar rather than with HFCS when given a choice.

Well once after about a week of drinking only Mexican coke, I decided to get a pepsi from the fountain. Well you know how you drink the soda and there is a little left , but due to the ice the soda get watered down a bit? When I drank that last bit it in fact tasted like corn to me. I could definitely taste the corn syrup. Try it that one day and you'll see what I mean.

 

[xXCHAOSXx]

Well, i gotta join the Mexican Coke Crew... just did a head to head comparrison Mexican Coke FTW!

 

[MindCollizion]

Que no hay Coca-Cola Mexicana en Vallarta o en Gigante?
I love being from the San Fernando Valley, there's this stuff everywhere.

Oh and Jarritos de tamarindo FTMFW!

 

[Callo Merlose]

"American love, like Coke in green glass bottles, they don't make it anymore."

 

[WalkMan]

I went to the Walmart in Lynnwood, WA.

Just got back from that walmart and purchased some Mexican coke. Stocked up on a few bottles.

 

[Justin]

Anyone else find these at Walmart? I looked at the one in Kent (also in Washington) and didnt see anything.

 

[Pellham]

Why does the US get the shitty Coca Cola? Both Canada and Mexico get the good stuff, but we get stuck with the corn syrup shit. Is there any real answer for this? To repeat: MEXICO GETS BETTER COCA COLA THAN US. And yes, it really does taste a ton better.

Has something to do with corn syrup being cheaper than refined sugar.

 

[heavy liquid]

Is there any special markings on the bottles?

The red printed "Coca Cola" on the bottle should have "Refresco Cont. Net. 355 ml" in small print underneath. If it doesn't have that, it's probably not the real thing.

It should also have a sticker that has the nutrition facts. Check it, and it should list "Water, Sugar, Caramel color..." as the ingredients.

 

[Vark]

Dublin Dr. Pepper > Mexican Coke >>>>> American sodas.

Luckily I live near the border.

 

[MassiveAttack]

High fructose corn syrup is the work of the devil. Banish it from this earth and let us live free forever.

 

[johnsenclan]

Dublin Dr. Pepper > Mexican Coke >>>>> American sodas.

Luckily I live near the border.

My wife asked for a case of this for her birthday. Dublin Dr. Pepper is nectar of the gods.

 

[Diablos]

It is pretty crazy that Coca Cola's origin is right here in the US, but as White Man said, we're stuck with the inferior product.

The word "lobby" makes me feel more and more disgusted every time I see it used in a sentence. It's like there's no limit to their control, and for what? To satisfy their selfish needs? Yeah, I know this is just coke... but then again, this is just coke. Only in a country like the US of A would a ****ing corn lobby have so much influence over what kind of products Coca Cola can sell. Talk about ridiculous.

 

[coldvein]

does high fructose corn syrup give you cancer

 

[teh_pwn]

the whole health aspect of HFCS is HIGHLY debated. Most of the tests done are with higher fructose levels than what are generally seen in the type of HFCS used for soft drinks. It has actually been proven that HFCS metabolizes almost the exact same as sucrose. There are also studies showing the whole satiety thing is wrong also. Not saying those studies aren't wrong.. just saying there is no definite proof on HFCS one way or another.

My belief is simply that the less processed foods we take into our body the better. Also I prefer the more subtle sweetness of cane sugar cola compared to HFCS cola.

My understanding is that fructose is slightly slower to pass the digestive system, but that it only will supply energy to the liver before being converted to body fat. Sugar on the other hand will attempt to supply energy to all organs and muscle before being converted to body fat. I also have the impression that fructose isn't necessarily evil in the small amounts found in real food like fruit. It's when you make something like HFCS and bypass millions of years of evolution, then it can be very bad for the body.

In other words, I believe that sugar is vastly superior in terms of health as a sweetner when compared to HFCS.

As Lonman mentioned, glucose is more rapidly absorbed in the GI and tends to elicit higher blood glucose and insulin responses. This makes glucose ingestion ideal for situations where rapid digestion or energy provision is required (during exercise, during a hypoglycemic episode, post exercise) but not so great for the remainder of the day when stable blood sugar and insulin are desirable. Glucose is found as a monosaccharide in fruits, vegetables, and honey as well as many manufactured sports drinks. Most blood glucose doesn't come from glucose ingestion but from other dietary carbohydrates that are eventually broken down into glucose.

Fructose, on the other hand, is metabolized differently due to its structure. In the liver, fructose is metabolized and can replenish glycogen (liver only) or can form triglycerides. Due to the fact that fructose doesn't cause a substantial rise in blood sugar (it's too busy filling liver glycogen stores and creating triglycerides), it doesn't stimulate insulin secretion to any large extent.

Now, the great debate among nutritionists has been whether the low insulin response is enough to outweigh the inevitable formation of some triglycerides. In my opinion, the best answer is that it all depends on how much fructose you ingest. With a very high daily consumption of fructose (from lots of fruit, but even from the more lipogenic high fructose corn syrup and from sucrose, which is in fact, a glucose and a fructose joined together), the lipogenic effects should probably be considered.

However, a moderate daily intake of fructose, especially from fruits, is encouraged. Just be sure not to consume fructose around exercise time. It has been shown time and time again to cause GI distress, increase ratings of exertion, and cause higher serum cortisol levels when consumed in conjunction with exercise. Fructose is found naturally in many fruits, berries and honey (foods that I highly encourage consumption of) as well as some dietary supplements, but in Western society most people get fructose from processed foods containing high fructose corn syrup.

http://johnberardi.com/articles/nutrition/carbroundtable2.htm

LL: So many complex carbohydrate foods are stripped, processed and refined that these choices don't offer the fiber and other nutrients they once did. Overall, I guess what I'm saying is that the simplistic notion of "complex equals good" and "simple equals bad" once had merit, but has become rather archaic, at least in application to real world (read as: fast, pre-packaged, yummy and artificial) choices. Now we have complex carbs that are heinous just as there are situations when good ol' simple sugars are great.

Complexity is just one way to classify a carbohydrate molecule, of course. Individual monosaccharide units (generally glucose, fructose and galactose) can be treated just as differently by the body as longer chains thereof. Fructose, for example, is absorbed at the intestinal wall more slowly (facilitated diffusion) than glucose (active transport). In the liver, fructose can also enter glycolysis (the metabolic pathway used to break down sugars in our cells) in such a way as to bypass its rate-limiting step.

Without enzymatic control (PFK for those who care), the pathway forms undue amounts of acetyl Co-A that are ultimately made into triglycerides. In other words, fructose, despite slower absorption and lesser insulin response, is itself lipogenic. That's quite different from the way glucose is metabolized, even though both are monosaccharides.

http://johnberardi.com/articles/nutrition/carbroundtable.htm

 

[teh_pwn]

does high fructose corn syrup give you cancer

It could encourage it.

Your body gets cancer cells all the time, it's just when the cancer cells get out of control is when we call it cancer. There's a high correlation between cortisol and obesity with cancer. HFCS encourages cortisol and obesity, therefore it could encourage cancer.

But no, I don't think there's any study that says "Conclusion: HFCS gives you cancer."

 

[teh_pwn]

I'm not sure if you folks are joking, but your explanations ound (sadly) predictable. I find it silly that the US invented Coca Cola, but we get the most inferior iteration of it.

It's very real. I've gone on rants about this back when I was much more active on these boards. The US gov subsidizes corn and tariffs sugar. They make our food more expensive and less healthy, and give people in the HFCS business material to advertise their stuff as if it is saving us money.

The US government does this all the time. See the food pyramid that we grew up with. It basically told us to eat loaves of white bread, white pasta, etc, with a tiny amount of fat. Extremely bad advice, and likely due to the grain industry.

And if you remember my rants about soy, the FDA a while back promoted soy while blatantly ignoring it's own doctor's warnings about the correlation of high amounts of nonfermented soy and hypothyroid and the potential for complications in male development due to the phytoestrogens based on mountains of animal/human studies of soy demonstrating estrogenic effects.

 

[rezuth]

I remember that coca-cola tasted horrible when I visited the US.

Edit: Compared with the one we have in Sweden.

 

[Dr.Guru of Peru]

I have can of coca cola right now, and it says "sugar/glucose-fructose". Does this mean it is sucrose, or is it just a mixture of glucose and fructose?