Fishman island at least had the benefit of "let's see what they all can do after the time skip" to look forward to. Thriller Bark is "just fucking recruit brook already" both are bad though. Punk Hazard isn't much better either.
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Fishman island at least had the benefit of "let's see what they all can do after the time skip" to look forward to. Thriller Bark is "just fucking recruit brook already" both are bad though. Punk Hazard isn't much better either.
The Barry Bonds of One Piece villains
Those are all major influences too, but when it comes to OP, Naruto, and Bleach specifically, Dragonball is obviously the biggest influence there. Though you could argue that Yu Yu Hakusho is just as big an influence on Bleach.
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Yeah but we're talking about a wider range of emotions here. I mean all you have to look at Hiruluk's speech and death, to see there's much deeper and more expansive themes going on.
I mean seeing Vivi breakdown and start screaming Crocodile simply because that motherfucker was always one step ahead of her every single time throughout the entire revolution was great. It's the sort of moments you rarely get to see done well in anime even when at a surface level you can replicate them (cough fairy tail cough).
I mean how can you watch the Robin scene in the anime and not get chills.
Fishman Island is just Luffy fucking Big Mama's candy... Yonkou 1/4
Punk Hazard is just Luffy fucking with Doflamingo's business and indirectly with Kaidou ... Yonkou 2/4 + one of the most dangerous Shichibukai
Thriller Bark is Luffy meeting Big Mama's daughter, Zoro getting a fucking renowned katana, new Nakama, Moria getting fucked, oh and background stuff with Oz and B.Kuma
Yeah just fucking nothing ... Ah I know why people start this kind of thread ...
Wiz
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Cool thanks.
Elfforkusu
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One Piece is pretty good, but it's really only been great since the Impel Down + Marineford stuff kicked off.
Dragonball is pure excellence.
We can ask the question again once OP is finished!
Dragonball is pure excellence.
We can ask the question again once OP is finished!
There are times were dbz reaches that depth for example Vegeta vs frieza is such a great fight cause of all the drama. Vegeta finally think henhas enough power to fight the dude who has killed almost everyone he has known and as well as his home planet but then discovers that the whole time frizea has been toying with him and he is still a ant to him and gives up the will to fight.
He failed to mention Kinnikuman, something that OP takes more inspiration from than DB. Oda was a big fan as a kid, (Pandaman). Bleach definitely apes YYH more as well.
At all, Vegeta is bragging a lot but he's a very selfish, self-centered character, the guy just killed Nappa because he's weaker than Goku but moaning because Frieza killed a bunch of Saiyanjin >.> and oh tried to kill Kakarotto too >.> Vegeta is most of the time yelling out loud but when it come to fight bigger than him (Frieza or Cell) he just pull out his 'there his no hope face' BUT versus Buu pure class moment.
Ain't an encyclopaedia, there are things a don't know bro >.>
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Without Pong there would be no Super Mario Galaxy, therefor Pong is the superior game.
Influence does not equal quality, and it does not make one work better than another.
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Saint Titanfall
No it doesn't, I'm talking when the show asks you to think. I mean Hiruluk's speech, when does a person die, is a good example. The entire arc was leading up to that point.
We're not talking oh it's so sad or oh the bad guys so evil. I'm talking about more thematical depth.
Eric the Red
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You may be able to draw superficial parallels but the executions are nowhere in the same league. Vegeta's death was kind of interesting just to see him humbled but I didn't actually care about his backstory. In the end it Vegeta's regret was his lost legacy, the shame of subjugation, but as a reader I don't care about any of that. I felt nothing for his father or their planet of murderers and it didn't seem like Vegeta did either for that matter. From a character standpoint Nami had much more going on that I could actually sympathize with.
NHarmonic.
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Still feels so fucking good. Took that Rokuougan like a champion.
I didn't really care about nami back story For that much to honest here, will Vegeta story was so much intriguing because of the fact that he doest have a back story.
Maybe not as hype, but this wins on the "HOLY FUCK" scale
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rB-2pNWspRo
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TBF me neither but the pay off moment was that good. Nami stabbing herself in the arm multiple times in attempt to remove the tattoo after wasting so many years of her life, Luffy, watching it all wilfully ignorant and the eventually choosing, to stop he (after she's done it for a while), Nami pathetically berating him because of the fact he has no idea why she's even in the mess she's in and Luffy replying like he doesn't care, followed by eventually by her asking for help, after which he gives her his most prised position to call together his crew to fight some guy he's never met before and has no idea what he even did simply because Nami asked him for help.
It sticks out because the entire scene thing is atypical, (Luffy is clearly not a normal human being) it could have easily have been done with Luffy knowing the story but it wouldn't have been half as good.
NHarmonic.
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Arlong Park sold me on OP.
Personally, I don't think i can find something on DBZ comparable to the act of Nami stabbing the tattoo on her shoulder fiercely in regret of everything she's lived for and Luffy stopping her and giving her his hat as a promise.
Eric the Red
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Come on man, I have no problem with someone preferring DBZ for it's style, excitement, action, but DBZ is NOT about it's character drama. Just typing that out is funny to me. Pretending it is is either naive or disingenuous. But that's okay because DBZ doesn't have to have that to be an excellent shounen series.
The commentary and depth in One Piece is superb and is something for all ages I think.
It still gives me the chills to go back to the older episodes even after so many years.
Some stories and themes discussed are truly relevant and can foster a lot of reflection and discussion.
DBZ is spicy entertainment ,but it doesn't remotely have any of that emotional and intellectual weight.
I think One Piece is an important work and a lot more than entertainment.
Where did I say dbz is character drama?
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Byakuya769
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Nothing in DBZ comes close to the moment Ace was saved, the moment he was killed, or the big reveal in the dressora tourney. I could literally hear DON when the first and latter happen, and was straight shook over Ace's death..
I really like the world and side characters. Konoha and the 5 villages, the townspeople, teachers, past hokage and clans were far more interesting than random purple demon guy from South City or the dog mayor and random weird stuff from Dragonball. Some of the places were interesting, like Snake Way or Corrin's tower but the world of Naruto is just a lot more interesting to me.
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I must also mention Bon clays sacrifice just because. The fact he did all that to allow Luffy to save his brother, who died anyway was just depressing icing on the cake.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSgf9rbu8kA
"Do you have any last words?
Satisfaction".
The broest of bro's.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSgf9rbu8kA
"Do you have any last words?
Satisfaction".
The broest of bro's.
Eric the Red
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...That's what we're discussing. How did you not realize that just because we didn't say the words "character drama" until now?
I just said dbz has some character deep depth.
^ lmao.
That was a such a great moment, Luffy gives no fucks. Pretty much one of the the only few crews in the One Piece world that have no problems attacking the Celestial Dragons.
And I love this one as well.
That was a such a great moment, Luffy gives no fucks. Pretty much one of the the only few crews in the One Piece world that have no problems attacking the Celestial Dragons.
And I love this one as well.
Dragonball Z takes the prize for screamiest action, but not much else.
We are talking about DBZ here. Dragonball Z.
Team Alucard
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It really doesn't.
Welfare
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TacticalFox88
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The problem with OP, as I've always said, the lore is always always ALWAYS far more interesting than whatever current story Oda is trying to tell.
Eric the Red
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So you're not saying it has good character drama, you're just saying it has deep character depth. So what's the difference then? Those deep characters don't have dramatic moments? You're not explaining yourself very well.
What? Who? DB maybe, but which character really grew in DBZ? Goku got stronger, but never changed as a character. If Krillin stayed dead then that would've been a great character growing moment for Goku as he would'v had to deal with it. But the dragon balls themselves offered way too many retcon possibilities.
BlackBuzzard
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One piece to me just feels like there is barely any progress its going to take years before Luffy even confronts Blackbeard and the other Yonko, lets not even mention Shanks.
Dressrosa arc is boring me to tears, last good arc was Marineford.
Dressrosa arc is boring me to tears, last good arc was Marineford.
Spieler Eins
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DB/Z made it way too obvious that Toriyama just randomly made shit up without any proper thought put behind it, which ended with DBZ having some of the most ridiculous retcons you'll ever see and a completely different tone (plus way worse story) than kid goku DB. DBZ is classic on its own, but it was also a little grating as a fan of the early DB. Also, the manga content got really thin during DBZ, unlike OP, whose volumes take far longer to read.
Anime is shit for everything but kid goku Dragonball. Admittedly though, I never watched that filler-less DBZ.
Anime is shit for everything but kid goku Dragonball. Admittedly though, I never watched that filler-less DBZ.
Oda NEVER forgets!
When's Robin going to fight?
Unfortunate references to the 4Kids dub
X for Straw Hat
Eric the Red
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Almost no one. Toriyama likes to give his villains the occasional face turn but I'll argue that the only successful one, from a character standpoint, is Piccalo in the Saiyan arc. Other than that everyone starts an archetype and stays an archetype.
Every fight scenes in DBZ is pretty much the same thing you saw a thousand times before. It's bland because there's no creativity whatsoever, content was padded with teasing how strong characters could be when they reach their 100% potential.
Granted, good battle scenes are not easy to draw when you have to capture the movements and sense of scale of the impact. But even in this case, DBZ don't stand out and there are just as many talented shounen mangaka in this area. Like Nanatsu no Taizai by Nakaba Suzuki.
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