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"Only 90's Kids will recognize this!!!" Is a mental virus
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This already exists, on places like Tumblr. See shit on there all the time about cartoons that premiered right around the time I graduated high school.
teruterubozu
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But the 80s romance wasn't really in high gear during the 90s. If anything the 90s was all about Rejecting the 80s high gloss plasticism - the explosion of grunge, indie films, rap, and everything XTREME and edgy was a big FU to The MAN of 80s business. OF course, all that rebellion was merely appropriated and commodified by marketing forces. Kids who grew up in the 70s-80s went through a "fuck nostalgia" period in the 90s. If anything Gen Xers disdained 60s nostalgia with all the Travelling Wilburys, The Tokens, Tom Petty and Adult Contemporary shit like Yanni, Michael Bolton and other yuppie crap (who were now "successful" post-60s people in the 90s) on the radio.
Bobby Roberts
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Great point.
heh - I guess like everything, most annoying things in pop-culture can be traced back in one form or another to George Lucas
But yeah, American Graffiti was a big step forward in the creation of the nostalgia monster.
The Technomancer
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What's interesting about stuff like MASH and Happy Days, at least to me though, is that its nostalgia very centered on behavior, music, fashion and a perception of culture. The 80s feel like when the nostalgia for things really took off, for specific cartoons or specific toys or hell, even commercials (only 80s kids will remember this commercial!). Nostalgia for consumer goods and mass media feels relatively recent.
Stories of fun = fun! Lighten up, OP
In his defense, it can be difficult to lighten up when dealing with the intense pressure of being the sole arbiter on matters of his stupid friends' creative output, evolution and improvement as human beings. Lot of grind there.
SonicMegaDrive
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Ohh, that's not true. There's a great deal of nostalgia for pre-80's commercials. The only problem is, not too many of them still exist from the pre-VCR era.
lmao
XiaNaphryz
LATIN, MATRIPEDICABUS, DO YOU SPEAK IT
There were plenty of people in the 90s who were fondly looking back at the 70s. It may not have been outwardly apparent, but the influences were there - i.e. the use of classic soul/funk in 90s west coast gangsta rap.
And us kids who grew up in the 70s/80s really wouldn't have been the target of nostalgia marketing in the 90s. We weren't old enough. We're the target demo for current nostalgia marketing now.
teruterubozu
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I agree with you when it comes to toys. The toy industry went bananas in the 90s and completely took control of children's minds.
Oh I agree. I guess I meant the 60s were huge in the 90s.
Bobby Roberts
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Of course it wasn't. It was less than 10 years removed. The 80s romance just happened/is still happening. Look at the fashions of the last 5 years.
But that's muddling my point anyway: The idea that "remember when you were a kid and things were great" line of bullshit wasn't really ACTIVELY SOLD TO PEOPLE until the 80s. There were hints of it in the 70s as Xia pointed out, but the 80s is when Nostalgia as a marketing conceit really took hold (Hell, Alan Moore took time to stop down and satirize it a little in Watchmen), and once it proved to be successful, not only was nostalgia promoted, the timetable sped up.
It's kinda why 90s kids are so obnoxious with their nostalgia. There's entitlement issues. "How come YOU GUYS get to be all nostalgic for Mork and Mindy but we don't get to be nostalgic for Full House? FUCK YOU GUYS."
This is another really good distinction.
captmcblack
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Ehh, nothing wrong with nostalgia.
As was said a jillion times in this thread already, it's been around forever - and entire industries revolve around timing the crest of that nostalgia and repackaging it (as retro-themed paraphenalia, as retro clothing, as retro-styled gear, as retro reboot game/movie/tv show/comic book IPs, and so on).
I gotta wonder what kids are going to be nostalgic for if you were born/growing up in the late 90s/early 2000s...a lot of the stuff they were watching/consuming is reboots of stuff that already came out and was retroed already.
As was said a jillion times in this thread already, it's been around forever - and entire industries revolve around timing the crest of that nostalgia and repackaging it (as retro-themed paraphenalia, as retro clothing, as retro-styled gear, as retro reboot game/movie/tv show/comic book IPs, and so on).
I gotta wonder what kids are going to be nostalgic for if you were born/growing up in the late 90s/early 2000s...a lot of the stuff they were watching/consuming is reboots of stuff that already came out and was retroed already.
Zaraki_Kenpachi
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I'm honestly not sure what your point is... You seem to think that everything newer is automatically better but at the same time it seems like you're only talking about entertainment? Are books and movies not produced in the last 5 years worthless? Obviously there's better out there now so why bother? It seems like you think things have to be objectively better and there's no room for opinions in peoples' minds. There's plenty of things from the 90s I enjoy more because they are actually better in my mind. This isn't everything but I don't think everything now is inherently better like you seem to be suggesting.
XiaNaphryz
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teruterubozu
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Yeah I essentially agree. I always think about the smiley face and peace sign stickers - things that were signs of youth rebellion that eventually became commodified and "safe". It has a long tradition, but you are right in that the 80s intensified marketing and blew it up more.
The Technomancer
card-carrying scientician
This is ultimately what I think is novel: the industry around nostalgia, which leads in turn to reflexive nostalgia for that very industry. Its very Debordian. As others have pointed out this kind of started in the 70s and really took off in the 80s and 90s
Nathan Muir
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I don't agree with your premise. I can get on board on all accounts regarding the obnoxiousness and immaturity of those in the "the 90s were so much betteR!! LolOL" community; however, you lose me when you support your argument by claiming there is a wealth of complexity and "greater heights" in current media.
Regarding your problem with your friends being members of the aforementioned community: I suggest you just get better friends.
Regarding your problem with your friends being members of the aforementioned community: I suggest you just get better friends.
ThLunarian
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You're focusing on the nostalgia as the problem, when the fact is, you really just don't like hanging out with your friends anymore.
It's part of life to drift away from your friends as you get older, OP. Just move on and find some new people to hang out with. Otherwise you'll end up resenting these guys who don't deserve it.
It's part of life to drift away from your friends as you get older, OP. Just move on and find some new people to hang out with. Otherwise you'll end up resenting these guys who don't deserve it.
The Albatross
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With the exception of 9/11, you could basically do this for every decade and era. The 1970s and 80s gave us the fucking HIV epidemic but people still choose to focus on David Hasselhoff singing on top of the Berlin Wall and Pet Rock.
Likewise, in 2024 when we look back at the 2000s, certainly 9/11 will be a big thing, but we'll focus on the stupid humor things like Nipplegate at the Super Bowl and other stupid memes and crap that popped up then. And we'll all talk about how life was so much simpler, and how in 2044, how can they talk about anything but the robot apocalypse and google mind control, etc etc
The nostalgia angle of the show does seem a bit condescending and commercial to me at times, but I am not angry about nostalgia at all, I only think it mustn't be permanent and preeminent in the state of mind of modern young adults. And I also watch GCCX mainly for the Arino and co. antics and the vidya, not for the retro.
I also dislike indie games that try to look and feel as if they were 8/16-bit generation games just to cheap out on design, as an example.
hipbabboom
Huh? What did I say? Did I screw up again? :(
OP is clearly an antisocial ticking time bomb. Damn millennials get off my lawn! Entitled, no social security getting, sins of the father inviting, retro hipstering, guitar hero playing... Liminieslicket!
Mihael Mello Keehl
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Im 23 too. OP you are pure wrong on everything the 90s was the shit
Southernfried Pimpin
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You are awesome If this is a play on those stupid ads, .
If not you made me laugh anyway.
terrisus
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So, am I understanding the OP right, in that it's trying to imply that the SNES isn't still the best system ever, and that Pokémon (especially the first couple sets of games) aren't awesome?
But then, if someone's 23 now, that would mean they were born the year the SNES came out, and were 7 when Pokémon came out, so, I think all of that can just be tossed out anyway.
Also,
I bought my N64 with 2 games on launch day in 1996 with money I earned myself from working.
I also got married 6 years ago.
Credit card debts do suck though, I'd be more than happy to go back and get rid of that.
But then, if someone's 23 now, that would mean they were born the year the SNES came out, and were 7 when Pokémon came out, so, I think all of that can just be tossed out anyway.
Also,
I bought my N64 with 2 games on launch day in 1996 with money I earned myself from working.
I also got married 6 years ago.
Credit card debts do suck though, I'd be more than happy to go back and get rid of that.
Pila
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Yeah, I see. Good for you, sometimes people start being nostalgic just because they used to have zero real life pressure, maybe that's not your case.
However, don't hate. People need their memories, even people in their 20s. Even memories about shitty games.
(SNES was the shit, you're just wrong there ^^)
Everyone gets nostalgic, it's human nature. Granted, some people dwell on it a lot more than others. But point is, 90's Nostalgia is nothing new. Every generation will look back fondly on their time growing up. I guess my issue though, is that I don't think it's fair to write off praise for certain things, because it's only seen through a Nostalgic view. If that was the case, then nothing could ever be great. Surely some things are just liked because...they are good. You know?
Interestingly enough, I read this article while in school a couple years back. I'll have to try to hunt it down. But it was about 90's nostalgia, and how it actually seemed wide spread to adults too. Mostly because the economy was good for a period of time, and pre-9/11 the public wasn't really connected to what was going on with our foreign policy (so many believed that we weren't even in any major conflicts). So compared to most decades, it was a pretty laid back time, compared to some of the past decades which were more chaotic. IT also kind of makes sense that 90's nostalgia seems more of a bigger thing because:
I. We have the internet. So people are more connected now, and things become more collective.
II. The 00's was a pretty chaotic decade. Bad economy, major wars. A lot of stress all around.
Of course, I'm speaking purely from a U.S. perspective. I don't mean to say this is true for other countries.
Interestingly enough, I read this article while in school a couple years back. I'll have to try to hunt it down. But it was about 90's nostalgia, and how it actually seemed wide spread to adults too. Mostly because the economy was good for a period of time, and pre-9/11 the public wasn't really connected to what was going on with our foreign policy (so many believed that we weren't even in any major conflicts). So compared to most decades, it was a pretty laid back time, compared to some of the past decades which were more chaotic. IT also kind of makes sense that 90's nostalgia seems more of a bigger thing because:
I. We have the internet. So people are more connected now, and things become more collective.
II. The 00's was a pretty chaotic decade. Bad economy, major wars. A lot of stress all around.
Of course, I'm speaking purely from a U.S. perspective. I don't mean to say this is true for other countries.
dem
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I never said SNES wasn't the shit, it IS The Shit. I love SNES games, but that comes from playing them and comparing/contrasting them to other games and reflecting. Appreciating them critically, as a lot never seem to do. It's just "Mario World is epic cause it has teh Yoshi and you kill him to save yourself lol", for lost of people instead of judging its rights and wrongs as a platformer, a Mario game and a creative product itself. It's like saying that you "fucking love science" just because you liked that facebook page (that meme could be a whole another thread by itself, by the way).
But yeah, I love the SNES. (even though the Genesis has better shooters, and I play Genesis more lately).
terrisus
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No, Mario World is a great game because it is fun and enjoyable, with interesting level designs.
It's also far better than any Mario game that has come out since Mario 64
Straying a bit from the topic into gaming side here, but I can really appreciate goodlooking 8/16-bit style games myself, not just for nostalgic reasons - when they're done right, and well. What do I hate when they just say "omg 8-bit!" and there's all kinds of smooth scaling, alpha blending, high/truecolor palettes etc.
Anticitizen One
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I think there is a misunderstanding. When people say only 90s kids I think what they mean is people born in the 80s or earlier like its a cutoff point. Obviously people born in the 90s and after aren't going to know about the pre-pc revolution/internet world.
This. Usually the era you remember is the time when you 'come of age', I was born in 1980 and yes do have memories of the 80s, but the era I remember more is the 90s aka when I became a teen and actually listened to music and recorded information rather than just absorbed it as a kid.
If it's wasn't part of their life, they hate it. That type of ageism is pretty common.
That's also part of maturing as an adult. As you get older you learn to appreciate things that were not part of just your life. Like older movies and music. Only wanting to live in the present is living in a bubble.
fredrancour
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I was with you until you shit-talked pokemon. It hasn't actually been a part of any of the 90s nostalgia things I've seen. Considering I've played so many of the games, the franchise is a standalone thing in my mind. Saying it is a product of the 90s would be like me assigning Lord of the Rings or Star wars or something like that to a particular decade- it just doesn't make sense, I can't imagine a decade of entertainment without the given property.
I know it's been said a few times, but just to hammer it home.
Every generation does this. Every single one. "The __________ was way better!"
We're just suffering through it now because our generation is coming to prominence and has way more mediums to complain about any and everything. Where as old men used to have to yell off their porch at youths, we now can passive aggressively post on Twitter.
Every generation does this. Every single one. "The __________ was way better!"
We're just suffering through it now because our generation is coming to prominence and has way more mediums to complain about any and everything. Where as old men used to have to yell off their porch at youths, we now can passive aggressively post on Twitter.
Kano on the Phone
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Why you so mad?
Let them talk about whatever makes them happy. If you hate it, don't hang out with them, you sound like you aren't a lot of fun anyway.
Let them talk about whatever makes them happy. If you hate it, don't hang out with them, you sound like you aren't a lot of fun anyway.
Vulcano's assistant
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Just wait until the new season of Game of Thrones starts, you'll see these kids will be like everyone else and start talking about current stuff.
Space Runaway
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1990-1993 was pretty cool. The rest... so-so. Luckily videogames were consistently good the entire decade.
OP this is for you.
Just got hit right in the feels
plagiarize
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It's just how some people are. I'm in my mid thirties, and my wife and I rarely reminisce about things, but whenever we meet up with her old college friends all they ever talk about is their college days, telling the same stories over and over.
Our current friends aren't like that at all. 'Remember when' isn't really the jumping off point for a discussion. Sounds like you just need to find some people who live more in the present to hang around with.
Our current friends aren't like that at all. 'Remember when' isn't really the jumping off point for a discussion. Sounds like you just need to find some people who live more in the present to hang around with.
blame space
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only 90s kids understand true loss.
XiaNaphryz
LATIN, MATRIPEDICABUS, DO YOU SPEAK IT
Bullshit, they never saw Ironhide, Prowl, Ratchet, Optimus Prime etc die in the theater!
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