I don't know anything about those threads, which from my perspective seem primarily about validating and then celebrating single-console owners making "the right choice." Rather I just go to DF, look at their verdict and buy that one. Also, I don't know what discussion you're referencing, re: PCs being excluded. I was responding to a poster who threw those who think Wii U the best platform of 2014 into three rather specific categories when, all of the people I know really into the Wii U have access to everything.
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OPINION: Wii U, best console to own in 2014, easily
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I don't know anything about those threads, which from my perspective seem primarily about validating and then celebrating single-console owners making "the right choice." Rather I just go to DF, look at their verdict and buy that one. Also, I don't know what discussion you're referencing, re: PCs being excluded. I was responding to a poster who threw those who think Wii U the best platform of 2014 into three rather specific categories when, all of the people I know really into the Wii U have access to everything.
Poimandres
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People need to realistically know what they are getting with the Wii U. That list of games in the OP? Add maybe another half a dozen and that is what you can expect for the entire life of the system. I think with the low cost it's worth it for a system with 20 - 25 great games at the end of the day, but the Wii U isn't going to live beyond 2016.
I think the Wii U definitely has the best exclusive lineup this year, but just like the Wii before it I feel pretty bad for people who don't have a PC/another console to go along with it. Those people miss out on. so. damn. much.
I think the Wii U definitely has the best exclusive lineup this year, but just like the Wii before it I feel pretty bad for people who don't have a PC/another console to go along with it. Those people miss out on. so. damn. much.
Yeah, for a majority of people, the first idea for a gaming platform would be an iPhone. Does that mean this entire debate is irrelevant?
Also, I don't know many people who play "our kind" of games and don't have a PC so maybe I'm a little disconnected from the point you're trying to make.
I said "for those of us who play on console". Don't be obtuse on purpose.
Audience.
Mario Kart is a wacky, ridiculous kart racer where the main crux of the gameplay is its outlandish items and physics defying drifts. It's very easy to learn and has always been aimed to appeal to children and families.
Gran Turismo's slogan is "the real driving simulator". The menus have European jazz playing over them. It's hard to learn and extremely mechanically complex, with the main focus of the gameplay being as realistic a simulation of racing as possible. Cars are cars, so yes, it's "safe" for children to play, but it's obviously a franchise that's meant to appeal to adults and racing enthusiasts - the kind of people that would spend hundreds of dollars on race wheels and such. It's not designed to appeal to children like Mario Kart is.
And for the record, I'm in no way saying this reflects badly on either series, because who cares? I literally bought a Wii U for MK8 and that's the only game out right now that I give a shit about, because it's really really good and appeals to me a lot. But to suggest that Gran Turismo is no more mature than it is just silly to me.
See, bullshit like this is just making a fight out of semantics. Yes, Mario Kart is built with children in mind and appeals to them far more than Gran Turismo. Does it really hurt your feelings to hear it?
That's like saying "I like this shooter, therefore I must like all shooters." Feel, speed, design, etc. are all subjective aspects to enjoy and appreciate, and a different balance of each are going to appeal to different people
Chezzymann
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Worst 3D Mario, and worst 3D Zelda? I feel like my head is spinning.
flatearthpandas
Member
2016 will be four years if Wii U. It'll be a short console cycle, but I'll almost definitely be ready for a successor by 2017. I expect a five year cycle from Nintendo anyway. As great as it would be for that successor to be a realistic stopgap between gen 8 and gen 9, I'm resigned to whatever as long as they keep bringing the games I love. Lately, i expect a "seven year cycle" from Sony with the years worth of games i give a shit about. Same thing.
People should definitely have another console, but I feel that way about every console. I'm biased, owning just about everything, but I'd be an unhappy camper with only one of any console.
This thread excludes the pc as a console and claims the Wii U the best for gamers, which is totally fair. I just find it odd that then its used to undermine the fact Wii U is lacking significant 3rd party games, because apparently they are superior on that other platform we are not discussing. On your first point, its no secret that many are being forced to upgrade their hardware with the new generation of games.
3D World is fun as a party game with friends, but that's about it for me. I just have no interest in pursuing it further. I enjoyed 3D Land well enough but I wouldn't play more than an hour had it been on a console. I know World is better but there's a million things I'd rather spend my time and money on. Sorry.
oh you
Theognosis
Member
Top Gun is more mature than Toy Story. What a load of crap comment that was. LOL
Its a preference. Its not about quality.
Davey Cakes
Member
The GameCube was ridiculed and is now seen in a positive light for its unique quality library.
The Wii was ridiculed and is now seen in a positive light for its unique quality library.
Being a Nintendo fan (and Nintendo console owner in general) was brutal at times. Always felt like being outcasted by the gaming community...AT THE TIME.
Now the Wii U exists and is a legit GOOD hardcore gaming console. It not only already has a strong library of unique exclusive games but sports a pretty great selection of both retail and download content, including indie games. It also has fun community features (Miiverse in particular).
And let's not forget that it CONTAINS THE ENTIRETY OF THE WII.
You'll still get console warriors trying to downplay the system though. You'll still get people thinking that the console is in a hole that it'll never climb out of in any way. Even after all the horrible press the Wii U and Nintendo went through during 2013 and early 2014, we can actually say that Nintendo is improving the system's outlook and is keeping the strong content coming.
They still have a long way to go with third parties. This is indisputable. And they probably won't get the support back to a level that some gamers can accept. That's the way it is. Doesn't mean that the Wii U, as it stands, isn't a really fun console and a truly solid option for gaming hobbyists, so long as some sort of Nintendo-oriented taste is part of the equation.
And yeah, I hardly see the problem with the idea that the console is the best to own this year. It's not downplaying anyone else, it's just giving credit where credit's due.
Wii U is good times. Gaming is good times. Wii U is gaming.
The Wii was ridiculed and is now seen in a positive light for its unique quality library.
Being a Nintendo fan (and Nintendo console owner in general) was brutal at times. Always felt like being outcasted by the gaming community...AT THE TIME.
Now the Wii U exists and is a legit GOOD hardcore gaming console. It not only already has a strong library of unique exclusive games but sports a pretty great selection of both retail and download content, including indie games. It also has fun community features (Miiverse in particular).
And let's not forget that it CONTAINS THE ENTIRETY OF THE WII.
You'll still get console warriors trying to downplay the system though. You'll still get people thinking that the console is in a hole that it'll never climb out of in any way. Even after all the horrible press the Wii U and Nintendo went through during 2013 and early 2014, we can actually say that Nintendo is improving the system's outlook and is keeping the strong content coming.
They still have a long way to go with third parties. This is indisputable. And they probably won't get the support back to a level that some gamers can accept. That's the way it is. Doesn't mean that the Wii U, as it stands, isn't a really fun console and a truly solid option for gaming hobbyists, so long as some sort of Nintendo-oriented taste is part of the equation.
And yeah, I hardly see the problem with the idea that the console is the best to own this year. It's not downplaying anyone else, it's just giving credit where credit's due.
Wii U is good times. Gaming is good times. Wii U is gaming.
Consoles are defined by their first party games. It is what makes a proprietary set-top box worthwhile, and the only actual legacy consoles have. I didn't realize this was a contest with rules.
Did not enjoy 3D world as much as I had enjoyed Sunshine, or the Galaxies. Just was a step down from those games in terms of scope and imagination. It's not a bad game by any means.
MK8 is fantastic, can't wait for more tracks.
Still need to try Zombie U, Bayo 2 (dl'ed the demo, haven't had enough interest to play yet).
I even use the gamepad controller every evening as a web browser kicking around on GAF before going to sleep. It's awesome, really.
I am really hoping that VC takes off. If it does, I can see this being number one, but now, nahh.
Had more fun on the PS4 this year. Destiny has some good gameplay, no content, BF4 in 60 fps was awesome (don't remind me of the miserable launch), bunch of indie titles I got from PS+ scrip, Don't Starve (the best), Pix the Cat, Resogun, Trine 2, Spelunky: all surprisingly great. Outlast seemed cool, but scares wife. Infamous SS was way better than expected. At some point should get some partial Drive Club content.
I think I have sunk the most time into Dark Souls 2 for PS3, just bought one of the DLC and need to play through.
MK8 is fantastic, can't wait for more tracks.
Still need to try Zombie U, Bayo 2 (dl'ed the demo, haven't had enough interest to play yet).
I even use the gamepad controller every evening as a web browser kicking around on GAF before going to sleep. It's awesome, really.
I am really hoping that VC takes off. If it does, I can see this being number one, but now, nahh.
Had more fun on the PS4 this year. Destiny has some good gameplay, no content, BF4 in 60 fps was awesome (don't remind me of the miserable launch), bunch of indie titles I got from PS+ scrip, Don't Starve (the best), Pix the Cat, Resogun, Trine 2, Spelunky: all surprisingly great. Outlast seemed cool, but scares wife. Infamous SS was way better than expected. At some point should get some partial Drive Club content.
I think I have sunk the most time into Dark Souls 2 for PS3, just bought one of the DLC and need to play through.
Well said. Pretty much mirrors my thoughts right here.
Agree with op for 2014, just bought a wii u for the kids and recently got myself a x1, really dissappointed with the x1 and its os
Wii U has a amazing array of games, perfect for the family and is really good for offscreen play
My purchases are 3d world (amazing) nsmbu and the great mk8
Next is zelda and captain toad
Wii U has a amazing array of games, perfect for the family and is really good for offscreen play
My purchases are 3d world (amazing) nsmbu and the great mk8
Next is zelda and captain toad
Theognosis
Member
My point is a game that looks real doesn't make it any more "mature" than a cartoon game. It's violence, sex and drugs that make it so. The irony is that kids are the ones who go nuts over M-rated titles. They like Hentai, too!
Ninja Scooter
Member
I disagree. PS4 has more games I want to play than Wii U and that's why I bought one. There is this idea that everyone has to like Nintendo's first party offerings and they are simply infallible, and I don't think that's the case and I think part of the reason the market landscape looks the way it does is because a whole lot of consumers feel the same way.
Davey Cakes
Member
Truth.
My classmates in MIDDLE SCHOOL would make fun of me for playing Animal Crossing because Grand Theft Auto is "mature."
I feel like once you hit adulthood you should really take a step back and re-assess what maturity actually entails.
LegendofDragoonLives
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The Wii is seen for its unique library? It's by far the worst console I've ever owned, and I really need to emphasize by far.
I don't feel that way. 9 out of 10 times I enjoy a nintendo game a lot more than anything else.
But thats how opinions work.
Michael F. Assbender
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Absolutely disagree. But Nintendo franchises haven't appealed to me in years.
Opinions and all that.
Opinions and all that.
Not Spaceghost
Spaceghost
Oddly enough recently most of the love my Wii U has been getting is from old Wii releases I never got around to playing.
But that's because I've beaten almost everything that's already come out.
I do love the options the wii u gives me though, I can play through so many eras of nintendo games with it.
All it's really missing unfortunately is the ability to play GCN games.
But that's because I've beaten almost everything that's already come out.
I do love the options the wii u gives me though, I can play through so many eras of nintendo games with it.
All it's really missing unfortunately is the ability to play GCN games.
Davey Cakes
Member
Works both ways.
I don't care about Call of Duty, Assassin's Creed, Destiny, GTA, and pretty much most of Sony's offerings. I don't even know what MS's first party content looks like, honestly. And it's not like I don't have a gaming capable PC and an X360. I feel alien at times. The way the industry is oriented, you'd think some of the hot ticket games are meant to be universally liked. Not the case. Gaming is not black and white.
Yes? Not surprising. Wii had a bunch of overlooked titles.
Saying something is "mature" isn't stating a preference but a fact. If only the word "mature" meant anything nowadays. It's got to be one of the most misused words of our times.
I frankly can't see how the word mature applies to Mario Kart OR Gran Turismo, even after the long explanation: it's like you're vilifying one or the other because it's not "mature", hence something you should grow out of.
Fact is both are games (you can call it multimedia interactive entertainment, or some other mumbo jumbo invented by companies, it doesn't change the fact they're games), something our society as a whole links to kids in first place. It's as if some of you (not you in particular, I've seen this kind of statements before) inconsciously feel threatened by the thought that "games = immaturity", and so need to feel validated for what you're doing by elevating what you play above what instead you consider childish and immature games.
Gran Turismo isn't "more mature" (I can't even fathom what this would mean) because it features realistic physics, realistic graphics, jazz music or because it's more difficult/complex. Being adult doesn't mean enjoying those things, an adult isn't defined by loving hard and realistic things, at least I hope so. You can tell me that kids will be more prone to play MK than GT and that would already be a different thing (still a gross generalization though), but I don't see why adults would be more attracted by GT than MK: that's a matter of preferences and tastes, not a matter of maturity or immaturity.
Also fyi I loved Gran Turismo when I was 14, not exactly an adult. Now it bores me to tears.
geordiemp
Member
Totally agree.
Its strange that the WiiU often gets GAF threads about it being the best, but very small section of gamers seem that interested looking at market data. Never figured that one out...?
I would like to play Bayonnetta 2 as the market is missing a true Ninja Gaiden type game, but that's about it. I miss excite truck
Sure? There's discussion to be had about deeper meanings and themes hidden in kids' movies for more mature viewers, but that's getting ridiculously semantic. A mature title is one that's aimed at mature audiences. Whether it succeeds or fails is only really relevant if you're using a specific understanding of the term.
And even then, your comparison makes no sense when sims like Forza and GT have FAR more mechanical depth than Mario Kart.
LegendofDragoonLives
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What titles?
and what do you run on dolphin? SOFTWARE, if there wasn't any game worth playing for for wii, then dolphin would be worthless
why bother asking? i'm pretty sure that the games that people will list to you, you will dismiss them for x or y reason, so there is no point on asking that
pinkurocket
Member
It has good games besides the overflow of shovelware.
There's the well known titles such as the Zeldas, Mario Galaxy 1&2, Xenoblade, Metroid Prime Trilogy, ... and then you have a bunch of very creative games like Little King's Story, Boom Blox, Zack & Wiki, The Last Story, Kirby's Epic Yarn, Deadly Creatures, ... I could go on.
Like, the console had it's drawbacks being SD when the world had moved onto HD already. But it had some creative games. Definitely a console I will remember fondly...
What are today's standards, and how is that a fact?
Davey Cakes
Member
I don't post lists. There are Wii game recommendation threads.
Why would I be villifying something that I genuinely love and enjoy? Or seek to call it something it's not?
I love the shit out of Mario Kart, man. It's always been an excellent series and I have extremely fond memories of late night Double Dash sessions with my cousins. It's great. But no, it isn't a mature title and I don't see how this is something worth getting defensive about. It's a game built and marketed primarily towards children and families, but also happens to have a fairly large adult player base (I'm curious to see the statistics, come to think of it).
Gran Turismo is simply different. It's not better, it's not more respectable, it's not whatever other facet of superiority people seem to equate with the word "mature" for some reason. It's a game built and marketed towards a much older, more mature audience. It's really that simple.
I've had way more fun with MK than GT in recent years but to suggest otherwise is ridiculous. When someone says "mature racer" it should be extremely obvious what he's referring to.
Oh, well that's easy. The standard's been set by the market and the competing companies. The highest selling, most popular console at the moment is the PS4, and the popular opinion with mainstream audiences is that the Wii U isn't powerful enough.
And thus we have a new standard.
orthodoxy1095
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GAF is a perfect place to coalesce massive fanboys/girls of dying consoles. Just look at VitaGAF. Hugely passionate group (that I consider myself a part of) of fans who are into something the general market couldn't give less of a crap about.
I played MGS3 remastered in widescreen while taking a shit.
That was the day I found true love
what does dying consoles have to do with great games?
Well there is the direct correlation of there being less great games if the console has a short retail life.
Theognosis
Member
I agree with the OP. My opinion is that the Wii U is the only true console this generation and I love it for its unique features and titles. I see the others as merely watered-down PC's in terms of architecture. If I wanted to have a PC, I'm going for the REAL DEAL. You know: that PC with a keyboard and mouse for better control, that PC which can run games at more than 60 fps and 1080p, that PC that can run the thousands of STEAM games now available, that PC that can run the best emulators, and that PC that has the most popular flight simulators, MMO's and RTS's--and soon VR. Why would I settle for anything less?
Best combo for 2014 = Gaming PC + Wii U*
* - The Wii U Gamepad has dethroned the 3DS in bed playtime. My wife plays with her smartphone while I play with the Gamepad. LOL
Best combo for 2014 = Gaming PC + Wii U*
* - The Wii U Gamepad has dethroned the 3DS in bed playtime. My wife plays with her smartphone while I play with the Gamepad. LOL
LegendofDragoonLives
Member
Could you sound more like a whiny child? I'm asking because I don't think it's possible after reading that.
Yeah Boom Blox, Z&W, and Deadly Creatures are games I have not heard of but this falls for pretty much every game console ever made. Unless you mean to say the Wii has a lot more than your typical console.
Theognosis
Member
Mechanical depth??? Even that is wrong. I'm not gonna argue with you about mushrooms and shells which take kart racing to another level.
If you want depth in racing, go to the real track where you will encounter engine breakdowns and mechanical failures. Today's Forza and GT are still stuck in the PS2 era. You can't open the hood of any car and see what's there. There's no dyno. Mods are superficial--they are prebaked calculations. Unless I see these things implemented, a racing simulator cannot be called revolutionary and next gen. They are just the same PS2 Gran Turismo with shinier graphics (and less FPS to boot).
orthodoxy1095
Banned
Preach
I was responding to a question pal. Maybe try to not butt in without reading the conversation?
Rogue_Ledr
Banned
Sorry but Wii U is the best console to own for exclusives, but with 3rd party taken into account?
NO WAY!
NO WAY!