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[Firewire]

The thing is, the review will probably affect sales to a certain degree, especially for a game like this that's got a lot of novel aspects to it and isn't relying on license or hype.

I really don't think most people will see it that way, not for Warhawk at least. Jeez one site even compared the Halo & Warhawk beta's and said Warhark was better & more fun.

 

[Tideas]

I don't think you know how game sharing works...

Game sharing ATM requires you to activate/register a PSN ID to a PS3 system. That's why you can only share with 4 other people/systems.

The game sharing feature can be/is being abused by doing the following:

somebody buys the game with their PSN ID -> Orignal buyer shares their PSN ID login info with up to 4 other people -> The other people then create a new PS3 User in their system and login to the PSN with the original buyers PS3 ID -> They activate their system to work with the original buyers PSN ID downloads -> They download the games and can play them with any PS3 User and with any PSN ID as long as the PS3 User they used to download the games is still in their system (they don't ever have to login with the original PSN ID) or until they log in to the original buyers PSN ID and deactivate their system.

That's why I said, if they can come up with a way to prevent ppl from downloading the psn games on other PS3 (activation required for game).

Of course, the problem is, what if someone buys a game, and then their system mess up, they send it in, Sony ends another one.

Like I said, there's plenty of ways to get around the game sharing, I'm just too lazy to think up some. Sony's well-paid engineer can do that

 

[Kittonwy]

You talk about games like they are a pledge of aleigence to a system WTF its a game people play them and move on its nots a life long commitment, why are games treated differently to every other commodity in life..

Wtf does it have anything to do with a "pledge of allegiance"? I don't see the point of trying to figure out how to sell a god damn videogame before you even buy it, how the fuck do you know you want to trade it in? You haven't even played the damn thing. If you don't think you can sell it just don't fucking buy it. For god's sake don't fucking buy it, PLEASE, it would really make my fucking day not having to play you online. THANK YOU.

 

[Haunted]

ah, well.

PSM said Turok's looking spectacular, so obviously this guy has his head screwed on right.

Thanks for fuelling this fire. :lol

 

[TheDarkKnight774]

You talk about games like they are a pledge of aleigence to a system WTF its a game people play them and move on its nots a life long commitment, why are games treated differently to every other commodity in life..

they aren't. If i buy something, i keep it. Just like my DVDs, books, CDs, etc. The only exceptions are when i purchased some somethings that are real duds and don't want them taking up shelf space.

If you are buying $60 games just to discard them soon after, i think you would be better off renting all of your games and buying the few games you want to keep for $20 a year or so later (or keeping them via gamefly).

 

[Duke Togo]

Knee jerk reactions....the sky is falling, etc. Is there no end to stupidity?

 

[AstroLad]

I really don't think most people will see it that way, not for Warhawk at least. Jeez one site even compared the Halo & Warhawk beta's and said Warhark was better & more fun.

I'm not saying how much of an effect (not like this is EGM, 1Up, Gamespot, etc.), but it's hard to deny that there will be some. I mean, I'm assuming it's this nagging thought that's underlying a lot of the animosity here, right?

 

[Das-J]

I would bet this Warhawk review is consistently 1.5-2.0 points lower than the average. I refuse to believe a game that was so much fun in beta form could warrant such a poor score, ESPECIALLY when the review is coming from a "former" xbot who continues to shit on all things PS3.

 

[kay]

Only fools listen to reviews and decide based on that, at least do your own research as your opinion isn't a copy of everyone else's. It doesn't matter if a game gets a 1 or 10 as not everyone will hate it/like it.

 

[Treo360]

rant.

wtf?


serious business indeed

 

[carlos]

geez, would you guys shut up about prohibiting game sharing?

Here's my situation; 2 PS3's, my brother and I want to play warhawk at the same time (and none of that split screen bs / and remember when someone joins in split screen, he doesn't log in with his account, he just gets a number added to the nickname used by the first person)

So, I can either get warhawk on PSN, game share, and play with no problems on both consoles (like I did with the beta)
or
buy the disc version, but can only play split screen / or with lan ghosting for 2 players (now correct me if I'm wrong, but lan ghosting doesn't let you play online as well with the other people right?)

So basically this discussion has planted the seed of doubt in my mind...I'll have to wait until game sharing is confirmed and playable on 2 accounts at once until I give Sony my monies

 

[lockload]

Wtf does it have anything to do with a "pledge of allegiance"? I don't see the point of trying to figure out how to sell a god damn videogame before you even buy it, how the fuck do you know you want to trade it in? You haven't even played the damn thing. If you don't think you can sell it just don't fucking buy it. For god's sake don't fucking buy it, PLEASE, it would really make my fucking day not having to play you online. THANK YOU.

Why so touchy? You may love warhawk or something and the review score has pissed you off but just becuase i trade my games after 6 months you DONT want to every play me on the game:lol

 

[FightyF]

I'm skeptical of Lair due to Factor 5's history of making great looking games that play very average (IMO, below average in some cases).

But Warhawk?

 

[Kittonwy]

Why so touchy? You may love warhawk or something and the review score has pissed you off but just becuase i trade my games after 6 months you DONT want to every play me on the game:lol

Nothing touchy about it, hey if you don't want to shell out $40 for the downloadable version because you can't trade that in, and you don't want to get the $60 version with the headset then don't fucking buy the game, like nobody here is fucking forcing you to buy the game, what's the fucking problem?

 

[lockload]

Nothing touchy about it, hey if you don't want to shell out $40 for the downloadable version because you can't trade that in, and you don't want to get the $60 version with the headset then don't fucking buy the game, like nobody here is fucking forcing you to buy the game, what's the fucking problem?

Lets leave it at that people were asking why the shitty score one reason is the pricing once you take into account tradein

 

[Crayon Shinchan]

Lets leave it at that people were asking why the shitty score one reason is the pricing once you take into account tradein

Why should pricing be an issue? It's great value; $60 bucks and you get a headset, and a game which can provide more hours entertainment than most other singleplayer games out there.

Of course, it's not for everyone, but that's true of all games. It's already got a pretty steep barrier of entry; you need to like these sorts of games; and it's not like its the first in the world of the type. And you need an internet connection. Obviously.

So it's not like players don't know what they're going to get themselves into when you mark the review; multiplayer only. Do you have to patronize them by telling them their niche sucks?

 

[jaypah]

I'd rather wait for a well-crafted system than a generic achievements. Apart from a higher gamerscore, what are you given for these accomplishments? Nothing. Not a single thing. At least we have medals, new skins to unlock and so on. Not to mention we can show off the trophies.

WTF?:lol oh my, the fanboy hilarity........"we", lol

all joking aside, sometimes games you like get a jacked score. if so many liked the Beta then maybe the game is good and this guy didn't like it. *shrugs* just seems like a whole bunch of hoopla over 1 guy saying that a game is average while many other said that they loved it.

 

[Phoenix Fang]

I'm still planning on playing both these games, but I'm not quite as excited. How can a dragon game be bad? More importantly, how come every dragon game is bad?

Panzer Dragoon series would like to have a word with you

 

[nelsonroyale]

Panzer Dragoon series would like to have a word with you

few people have played it though

Anyway, Lair seems to be crashing and burning...a couple more bad reviews and cancel 100%

 

[Jon_Danger]

Warhawk? Bad?

I have heard nothing but good things.

What about games like the battlefield series, does anyone rag on them for being multiplayer only?

Who cares about one review? I am sure if the game is good, second opinions will reflect that.

 

[jaypah]

Warhawk? Bad?

I have heard nothing but good things.

What about games like the battlefield series, does anyone rag on them for being multiplayer only?

Who cares about one review? I am sure if the game is good, second opinions will reflect that.

dude, i've only heard of a small few people who didn't like it, compared to all of the other people who loved it. fans of WARHAWK and Sony shouldn't let a bullshit review get them that riled up. it's just one guy...

 

[FortunateSon]

You guys know shit up threads like this more? All those guys without a Ps3 and commenting on the score as if they cared about the game in the 1st place.

I would name names but you know what? I won't.

Again, it's one review. Get the fuck over it. You guys are freaking babies. Look, if a review score is suddenly going to change your status about the game, GTFO.

Because if that were true, people expecting Halo 3 to be all that will be dissapointed I guess eh?

Again, I don't understand what the fuss is about, nearly everybody knows the game is good, well the ones who have played it baring a few but still, the other camp is not going to convince people "to not buy this game and the Ps3" and the Sony camp can stop thinking they could sway in new customers by saying "this game rocks and stuff" not that it doesn't. It does but get where I'm going with this?

Yes, I still hate Bioshock and this thread got fucking Bioshocked.

 

[dfyb]

dude, i've only heard of a small few people who didn't like it, compared to all of the other people who loved it. fans of WARHAWK and Sony shouldn't let a bullshit review get them that riled up. it's just one guy...

it's annoying because reviews can have an effect on sales and sales can have an effect on sequels. thanks to dipshit reviews that even got facts wrong, we'll likely not see a good f1 game anytime soon.

 

[Diatribe1974]

Panzer Dragoon series would like to have a word with you

Exactly. the Panzer Dragoon series was an incredibly fun series from start to finish. Just wish I had another one to play since I've long since finished Orta

 

[Gadfly]

it's annoying because reviews can have an effect on sales and sales can have an effect on sequels. thanks to dipshit reviews that even got facts wrong, we'll likely not see a good f1 game anytime soon.

I seriously don't think this Warhawk review is going to affects sales.

Can't say the same thing for Lair though because it seemed to me it changed a lot of people’s minds even on this forum.

 

[Green Shinobi]

Warhawk has more than 9 maps, right? I'd say that's the key here.

But seriously, two questions:

1) How much hard drive space does the Warhawk download take up?

2) Can you use this bluetooth headset from the retail version with your cell-phone?

If 1 is "not so much" and 2 is "no," I'll go for the download, and vice versa.

 

[dfyb]

Warhawk has more than 9 maps, right? I'd say that's the key here.

But seriously, two questions:

1) How much hard drive space does the Warhawk download take up?

2) Can you use this bluetooth headset from the retail version with your cell-phone?

If 1 is "not so much" and 2 is "no," I'll go for the download, and vice versa.

beta was 784MB according to my XMB and unless they changed the headset (which i doubt since it's a jabra headset), yes you can use it with cellphones

 

[Green Shinobi]

beta was 784MB according to my XMB and unless they changed the headset (which i doubt since it's a jabra headset), yes you can use it with cellphones

Gotta go for the retail then. How the hell are they fitting all of this into less than a GB? Most Xbox Live demos are more than that.

 

[Ashhong]

Gotta go for the retail then. How the hell are they fitting all of this into less than a GB? Most Xbox Live demos are more than that.

Jobe says that they keep it highly compressed until the moment that you need to access it. Or something like that. IGN Playstation Beyond #9 I think if you want to listen to a lot of talk about Warhawk.

 

[DCharlie]

we'll likely not see a good f1 game anytime soon

that`s nothing to do with reviews.

The f1 license costs a bomb, and the sales for F1 games aren`t enough to cover the license...

re:Warhawk - isn`t there something about using the retail copy for LAN parties? I mean, that`ll make a big difference for me if that`s a retail version only thing.

 

[Alex]

I'm always amazed people still even give a shit about reviews, considering most of the media grades on a 3 point scale, falls in line largely on hype and publisher courting and so. fucking. much. of the text is blatant misinformation or doesn't go past a couple of hours into games.

There's always posts from people "burning out", and what causes that is letting a bunch of jaded douchebags pick your purchases for you, well that and spending more time screaming about sales charts that don't even matter than playing games.

I rant about this every so often, but still! It's really aggravating to watch people fight over such stupidity. If you just bought what looked good/sounded good to you, you'd be happier than waiting for some sloth to 9 the latest overhyped franchise sequel.

 

[Mrmitts]

So including all the weak sources people keep touting

Warhawk has recieved:
Gamereactor 7/10
Next-gen Ireland 9.6/10
PSM 6.5/10

Lair has recieved:
EGM 5.5
Play Magazine 9/10
Gamepro 3.75/5
PSW*UK mag* 8/10
Gamer TV: 3/5
PSM: 5.0/10


I'll wait for IGN/Gamespot before drawing any conclusions.

 

[Yixian]

I don't know about Lair, but everyone in the beta will tell you that the Warhawk score here is incomprehensible - there is simply no way Warhawk can score less than 8.5.

 

[spwolf]

Wtf does it have anything to do with a "pledge of allegiance"? I don't see the point of trying to figure out how to sell a god damn videogame before you even buy it, how the fuck do you know you want to trade it in? You haven't even played the damn thing. If you don't think you can sell it just don't fucking buy it. For god's sake don't fucking buy it, PLEASE, it would really make my fucking day not having to play you online. THANK YOU.

exactly my opinion....

and ppl are outraged about Warhawk review because they loved the game and played the game. Not because it is an PS3 game - who cares? Look at how many ppl cared about Lair being reviewed badly? Not many.

 

[Gattsu25]

That's why I said, if they can come up with a way to prevent ppl from downloading the psn games on other PS3 (activation required for game).

Sony where the first ones to mention game sharing and they touted it as a feature of PSN. I doubt the technique would have been discovered so soon if people were not actively searching for it

Also, this thread is garbage

 

[Metalmurphy]

Playstation 2. Do you own one and will consoles kill PCs or will the two mate and produce unholy offspring?

No. Never will. Got a DVD player, so why do a I need one. And no they won’t kill the PC because regardless of whether people like it or not, there’s a social mentality built around the PC beyond gaming (home accounts, creating crappy holiday cards on the old printer, surfing for porn, writing resumes…) that won’t be replaced by any of the new handhelds, and won’t be available through consoles. It’s a huge argument, and not one to go into here, but PCs are here to stay (for at least the next five years). But X-Box will kill the PS2 (tee-hee).

:lol :lol :lol

That's just too funny! :lol

And we're supposed to trust this review right? Even though 99% of the people who played it say the game is fantastic and everyone saying "It seems right" never actually played it (same for LAIR btw).

:lol

 

[Nolan.]

Whats is wrong with Psm these days. I'm a little surprised. Though I don't buy my games from reviews but they do help.

 

[DCharlie]

That's just too funny!

the whole thread is hilarious, haters want to believe the crappy review, but then on the other side you have bastians of impartiality (spwolf, Kitty, Wollan etc) telling us what a tremendous fantastic awesome amazing game it is.

I`m sorry, but credibility on both sides here is a little thin!

As said - best to find out for ourselves.

 

[spwolf]

the whole thread is hilarious, haters want to believe the crappy review, but then on the other side you have bastians of impartiality (spwolf, Kitty, Wollan etc) telling us what a tremendous fantastic awesome amazing game it is.

I`m sorry, but credibility on both sides here is a little thin!

As said - best to find out for ourselves.

eh, at least we played the game, along with thousands of others, and I am sure you have seen their opinions in original warhawk threads...

I dont know about "amazing", but it is great game that people will play for a long, long, long time...

 

[Segata Sanshiro]

This thread is like 8.8 with the roles reversed. You guys know it's a good game, you've played it, just ignore the review.

I promise, sales aren't going to be affected in any great way one way or the other from a review in PSM.

 

[besada]

Here's what. Demos, give us demos at least.

The "I don't give a fuck about reviews and never did, i make my own mind, i decide whether the game is good or not!" is the bigges pile of bullshit ever. Without demos, and without paying attention to reviews, how the hell do you convince yourself to buy a game?

I ignore virtually all reviews except from people I know. If I'm unsure about a game, I rent it first. I couldn't begin to tell you how my favorite games this gen got reviewed, with the exception of Shadowrun which was reviewed horribly, and yet is my most played game this gen.

 

[DCharlie]

eh, at least we played the game, along with thousands of others, and I am sure you have seen their opinions in original warhawk threads...

but look at the origin of those voices! If people can discredit this review because the reviewer is an "xbot" then i can throw out all your opinions because as card carrying PS3 game beta testers, i`m sure 99% of you are big sony fans.

I`m trying not to make this sound too harsh - i`m excited for the game, i really am - but you can see there is a bit of a double standard going on here regardless of what you think about the game.

I dont know about "amazing", but it is great game that people will play for a long, long, long time...

and i`ll be there getting my cack handed ass shot down , then i`ll provide my review and you can all slit my throat in whatever thread and scream XBOT !

 

[monkspider]

Wow, that score's definitely surprising, especially since PSM has always been one of the easiest review sources out there. Back when I used to subscribe to it they would always give some pretty inflated scores to just about mildly hyped title. It will be interesting to see how much lower 1up/Gamespot/IGN will score it (assuming it will be reviewed even lower by those guys).

I have always been skeptical of this one ever since they announced it was MP-only but it is too bad to see it end up being a stinker. I love the original Warhawk.

 

[Ashhong]

Wow, that score's definitely surprising, especially since PSM has always been one of the easiest review sources out there. Back when I used to subscribe to it they would always give some pretty inflated scores to just about mildly hyped title. It will be interesting to see how much lower 1up/Gamespot/IGN will score it (assuming it will be reviewed even lower by those guys).

I have always been skeptical of this one ever since they announced it was MP-only but it is too bad to see it end up being a stinker. I love the original Warhawk.

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[TEH-CJ]

Kittonwy calm deep blue see friend haha :lol

relax man lol

 

[gcubed]

Wow, that score's definitely surprising, especially since PSM has always been one of the easiest review sources out there. Back when I used to subscribe to it they would always give some pretty inflated scores to just about mildly hyped title. It will be interesting to see how much lower 1up/Gamespot/IGN will score it (assuming it will be reviewed even lower by those guys).

I have always been skeptical of this one ever since they announced it was MP-only but it is too bad to see it end up being a stinker. I love the original Warhawk.

serious post?


embarassing

 

[jmdajr]

this thread has gone well

 

[spwolf]

but look at the origin of those voices! If people can discredit this review because the reviewer is an "xbot" then i can throw out all your opinions because as card carrying PS3 game beta testers, i`m sure 99% of you are big sony fans.

wtf, ppl who clicked on link got to be testers, it is not some ps3 fanboy group... it was almost as easy as downloading the demo, and I wasnt PSU or GAP member before that.

and dont worry, Wowhawk is easy to get into and play, unlike most other games and fps shooters (like resistance for instance)....

 

[kaching]

that`s nothing to do with reviews.

The f1 license costs a bomb, and the sales for F1 games aren`t enough to cover the license...

and the sales aren't helped by the mediocre reviews. There is a connection.

re:Warhawk - isn`t there something about using the retail copy for LAN parties? I mean, that`ll make a big difference for me if that`s a retail version only thing.

Yes, retail version supports spawning as many copies of the game for LAN parties as needed, apparently, up to the 32 player limit.

 

[Wollan]

Click (the highest scoring Beta player) asked me to post his opinion about the Warhawk Beta:

In short, Warhawk is very fun and addictive if you like games such as Battlefield 2 and the SOCOM series.

In length, Warhawk has a solid framerate, relatively little to no lag on dedicated servers, good (not very good or great) graphics, great sound/music, very large maps, great gameplay, and if you play long enough, you'll realize it has a somewhat varied and balanced system of vehicles and weapons (TOW missles and proximity mines needed to be balanced in BETA). It is a quick and easy game to start up and jump into, but has a somewhat long learning curve, especially if you want to get good at it. Like all great online shooters, Warhawk can feel very epic if 2 good teams play each other. There is a lot of strategy in games if played right by both teams. Warhawk flying is very fast-paced and exciting with enough practice and there is always room for improvement when flying. There is a deep reward system that will keep players playing and stay interested for a long time (being changed from BETA). Aside from Resistance, Warhawk probably has the best online communication system and sense of "community," and this was only in BETA form.

There are of course faults too from my experience in the BETA, not counting glitches. First and foremost, ground combat aiming felt very "floaty," and unprecise. Hardcore online shooter fans may hate this fact, but if you give it enough playtime, it really isn't that big of an issue. The action can get very slow and players may feel like they're not involved or needed if they don't take the initiative and play offensively. But if played right and against good opposing players, even ground combat can become very fast-paced and hectic. Even though I said that the sense of community was good, it wasn't something that can be compared to other great online shooters such as Resistance. In BETA, the clan size had a very, very small cap limit, was glitched, and didn't do much except to show a tag on the side of players' names. The voice chat was decent, but was in desperate need of a squad/open chat system. Although Incognito wants Warhawk to have a system of individual servers, a party system or at least a chat lobby for friends and/or clan members to gather before matches would be a nice addition from BETA. Most weapons and vehicles are balanced, but like I said above, TOW missles and proximity mines can be extremely cheap weapons that when used correctly in the hands of a good/great player, can rack up a ridiculous amount of kills. The overwhelming degre to which auto-aiming with the rifle and handgun can be a major turnoff for most online shooter fans. But I've come to realize that it is a necessity with Warhawk's system. Just try and team kill your teammate with a rifle or handgun and you'll know why the auto-aim is so heavy with those weapons. Also, the sniper rifle takes a lot of time to get good with and isn't as good as it should be, due to its inability to zoom very far.

Well, that's about it for my mini-review of Warhawk and my reasons for "what's so good" and bad about it. Remember, everything I wrote was based off of the BETA version. Incognito could have changed many things and would then invalidate parts of what I wrote. These are all my OPINIONS about Warhawk BETA.