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[PistolGrip]

I'm getting tired of the PSM bashing because you violently disagree with someone else's opinion. So what, he worked at OXM. Is there some sort of law that you can't change jobs because you might offend console fanboys? It's video games, Xbox and Playstation are very similar, so it's not like he should be disqualified for the job. His editorial was a little risky, but it was still the truth. It wasn't so much ragging on Sony for the sake of it as it was, Sony needs to improve to compete with Live, and they really do.

Conspiracy theories indicating that he joined PSM as some sort of "Microsoft saboteur" is really just a hint you all need to get laid pronto.

You need to read the thread. Most are not crying about Conspiracy theories. The man has openly bashed everything PS. No one would care that he worked at PCGamer and OXM, but his prior comments and his editorial letters on PSM have driven his reputation to shit to PSM readers.

 

[Madman]

But you were istating that a "huge portion of the negative view on gaming is caused by poor gaming journalists"--that poor games journalism is a driving force behind negative perceptions of the industry. That's absolutely not the case. It's not as if people pick up Harper's, WSJ, and EGM and say "wow, the games industry is very immature." You're absurdly overestimating the amount of people that have even so much as glanced at games media outside of gamers. Further, Entertainment Weekly et al. don't stop movies from being considered art, so even taking your poor assumption as true it still doesn't support your point. You're just completely barking up the wrong tree.

So you don't think that poor journalism has anything to do with the perception of the gaming industry? If there was a magazine with the quality of a Entertainment Weekly or a Rolling Stone, people would read it. You never answered why only the hardcore read it, you just restated what I already knew, that most gamers don't read any gaming publications.

If you have a better reason why people don't read gaming poublications opther than poor writing, I would like to hear it.

 

[Forsete]

Not that I care about PSM... but the Warhawk score deserves only one response: :lol

 

[AstroLad]

So you don't think that poor journalism has anything to do with the perception of the gaming industry? If there was a magazine with the quality of a Entertainment Weekly or a Rolling Stone, people would read it. You never answered why only the hardcore read it, you just restated what I already knew, that most gamers don't read any gaming publications.

I just showed that you didn't prove your point, because all of the assumptions you rely on are faulty. I'm not going to speculate as to the Top 5 Reasons Why People Don't Read Gaming Magazines beyond to say that somewhere on that list is "People Don't Give a Shit About Video Games, Regardless of the Quality of Gaming Journalism." Since you're apparently conceding the point about people not paying any attention to games journalism, that settles the original assertion regarding games journalism being this "huge" driving force behind the public's perception of gaming and that was my only point. I also wasn't really implying that EW was a "quality" publication, but I think that's moot now.

 

[RavenFox]

When you have to selectively highlight pieces to prove your point, you're not proving much. He sees something he likes about the 360 and something he doesn't like about the PS3 - should he not point it out? Does the choir simply want to be preached to? Are Sony fans truly becoming N64 era Nintendo fans?

Your actually damage controlling that rant? Please go outside and perform Seppuku you have failed to protect the house.

 

[Synless]

I would bet you haven't read the review. If you had, you would be able to quote the PSM review scale...and you would know exactly what a 6.5 out of 10 represents on the scale.

Now...answer the questions.

Why can't someone have a different opinion from yours?

What does a 6.5 out of 10 represent on PSM's scale?

Have you read the review text?

I shouldn't have to quote anything from the review, but I'll tell you what we already know from the scans that were on other sites about the review his two complaints where that there are no bots and that it was $60, Now any "good" journalist would have pointed out that it comes with a bluetooth headset or you can get it for $40 on the PSN and he mentions neither in the review. And as for bots it would have been nice but it's seriously not worth knocking a point off seeing as how this game was made primarly for online users only.

Where ever did you get that my opinion is the only one that matters? I said it was better then a 6.5 because it is, This is the problem with single person reviews in magazines if one person plays it and hates it but everyone else likes it, it won't matter because everyone who reads the magazine is going to be like 6.5 out of 10 thats not great

A 6.5 out of 10 represents mediocrity, I mean think of it on a grading scale which is what this is derived off of a 6.5 out of 10 is in all reality a 65% anything less then that in psm's book would say rental only or not worth it. Like I've said I've read the magazine for years and this review is the first one in years I can say is shit. there is nothing more to say about it. Play the game and find out for yourself and quit trying to argue with me about it, and if you say the game isn't your type of game before you even play it then why are you here arguing with people about it's score.

 

[Madman]

I just showed that you didn't prove your point, because all of the assumptions you rely on are faulty. I'm not going to speculate as to the Top 5 Reasons Why People Don't Read Gaming Magazines beyond to say that somewhere on that list is "People Don't Give a Shit About Video Games, Regardless of the Quality of Gaming Journalism." Since you're apparently conceding the point about people not paying any attention to games journalism, that settles the original assertion regarding games journalism being this "huge" driving force behind the public's perception of gaming and that was my only point.

People don't give a shit about videogames, yet over a hundred million people play them. My point was that people would pay attention to gaming publications if they had good writing. Good journalism is a huge part of a medium becoming acceptable. Thus my statement that the poor state of that sect of the industry is a huge reason why gaming isn't accepted.

 

[itsgreen]

PSM is just a bunch of xbox fanboys...

 

[Pristine_Condition]

OK, I've been watching this topic and laughing at the whole thing until this:

Here’s his answer to a question back when he was working for PC Gamer:

Q: Playstation 2. Do you own one and will consoles kill PCs or will the two mate and produce unholy offspring?

ROB:
No. Never will. Got a DVD player, so why do a I need one. And no they won’t kill the PC because regardless of whether people like it or not, there’s a social mentality built around the PC beyond gaming (home accounts, creating crappy holiday cards on the old printer, surfing for porn, writing resumes…) that won’t be replaced by any of the new handhelds, and won’t be available through consoles. It’s a huge argument, and not one to go into here, but PCs are here to stay (for at least the next five years). But X-Box will kill the PS2 (tee-hee).

He never said he would never get a PS2, and basically said it was only worthwhile as a DVD player?

OK, those aren't the words of a journalist, or even a plain old hardcore gamer. Those are the words of a lunatic fanboy.

How he got his job at the helm of a Playstation-focussed magazine is amazing...

 

[XiaNaphryz]

What did I tell you?

Sony's just going to have to ride out 2007 and really make sure the quality of 2008 is of insane quality.

Motorstorm was shipped too early, Warhawk was reduced in scope and is good, but likely not great, LAIR looks beautiful but appears to lack high quality gameplay, and the demo for heavenly sword is beautiful, but cries of button masher and short will keep it down as well. I'll love SOCOM, but it's essentially SOCOM 2 HD.

So, from the first party perspective, that leaves Drake and Ratchet and Clank as the heavy hitters and Unreal Tournament 3 and Haze on the 3rd party side. 360 will get the lions share of Merceneries, Assassin's Creed, Rock Band, and COD 4 sales and won't be a differentiating factor.

Blu-Ray might be big for the PS3 with most of the big titles hitting Blu-Ray exclusively, albiet without Transformers & Bourne. I expect significant marketing tie in on this front during the holidays.

One of the few sensible and sane posts in this cesspool of a thread!

 

[Psychotext]

He never said he would never get a PS2, and basically said it was only worthwhile as a DVD player?

Do you own one?

No, never will.

:lol

 

[MC Safety]

Geez.

Go back and read what I wrote, and don't make up stuff that you think I wrote.

And then think to yourself why someone might take issue with you complaining about a piece of criticism you haven't read for a game you've only played a demo for and a number on a representative scale that you're not sure what it corresponds to.

I shouldn't have to quote anything from the review, but I'll tell you what we already know from the scans that were on other sites about the review his two complaints where that there are no bots and that it was $60, Now any "good" journalist would have pointed out that it comes with a bluetooth headset or you can get it for $40 on the PSN and he mentions neither in the review. And as for bots it would have been nice but it's seriously not worth knocking a point off seeing as how this game was made primarly for online users only.

Where ever did you get that my opinion is the only one that matters? I said it was better then a 6.5 because it is, This is the problem with single person reviews in magazines if one person plays it and hates it but everyone else likes it, it won't matter because everyone who reads the magazine is going to be like 6.5 out of 10 thats not great

A 6.5 out of 10 represents mediocrity, I mean think of it on a grading scale which is what this is derived off of a 6.5 out of 10 is in all reality a 65% anything less then that in psm's book would say rental only or not worth it. Like I've said I've read the magazine for years and this review is the first one in years I can say is shit. there is nothing more to say about it. Play the game and find out for yourself and quit trying to argue with me about it, and if you say the game isn't your type of game before you even play it then why are you here arguing with people about it's score.

 

[AstroLad]

People don't give a shit about videogames, yet over a hundred million people play them. My point was that people would pay attention to gaming publications if they had good writing. Good journalism is a huge part of a medium becoming acceptable. Thus my statement that the poor state of that sect of the industry is a huge reason why gaming isn't accepted.

Of course many people play video games, I assume that your statement about the general perception of the industry extends beyond video game players though. Also, there's a material difference between "huge portion of the negative view on gaming" being "caused by poor gaming journalists" and "good journalism" being "a huge part of a medium becoming acceptable." The latter point may be a bit overreaching, but I was only speaking to the former.

 

[Graphics Horse]

No. Never will. Got a DVD player, so why do a I need one.

OK, those aren't the words of a journalist, or even a plain old hardcore gamer. Those are the words of a lunatic fanboy.

My mum would probably say something similar, does that make her a lunatic fanboy too?
This thread is beyond hope.

 

[Synless]

Geez.

Go back and read what I wrote, not make up stuff that you think I wrote.

And then think to yourself why someone might take issue with you complaining about a piece of criticism you haven't read for a game you've only played a demo for and a number on a representative scale that you're not sure what it corresponds to.

Ok know it all, tell me what does the score mean? cause if I don't know then I would say the vast majority of people don't know what it means, and if that's the case then what's that say about the reviewers and their grading scale? I read what you said and I understand you completely seriously it's not hard to figure out what the number corresponds to it's a 6.5 out of 10 it's as easy to figure out as 1+1=2, maybe you should read what I said.

 

[chubigans]

My mum would probably say something similar, does that make her a lunatic fanboy too?
This thread is beyond hope.

Does your mum happen to write for a mainstream gaming publication?

 

[Graphics Horse]

Does your mum happen to write for a mainstream gaming publication?

No, and I couldn't see that turning her into a lunatic fanboy even if she did.

 

[Madman]

Of course many people play video games, I assume that your statement about the general perception of the industry extends beyond video game players though. Also, there's a material difference between "huge portion of the negative view on gaming" being "caused by poor gaming journalists" and "good journalism" being "a huge part of a medium becoming acceptable." The latter point may be a bit overreaching, but I was only speaking to the former.

The statements are one in the same. Games won't be accetable until journalism in the industry is solid and coherent because journalism is a huge part of a medium becoming accepted. Thus, a huge portion of the negative perception of games is caused by poor journalism. I'm not saying it is the main cause, although it may be, but I am saying it is a big one.

 

[Kabuki Waq]

My mum would probably say something similar, does that make her a lunatic fanboy too?
This thread is beyond hope.

it would just make you mom ignorant.

 

[MC Safety]

Ok know it all, tell me what does the score mean? cause if I don't know then I would say the vast majority of people don't know what it means, and if that's the case then what's that say about the reviewers and their grading scale? I read what you said and I understand you completely seriously it's not hard to figure out what the number corresponds to it's a 6.5 out of 10 it's as easy to figure out as 1+1=2, maybe you should read what I said.

I don't know what it represents. But I know PSM uses a representative scale where a 6.5 is not strictly a 65 percent but rather translates out to an adjective that's established in the magazine's grading scale.

See, that's how most game magazines work. Each number on the scale refers to a descriptor.

And you can just admit you're arguing from ignorance. It's okay.

You haven't read the whole review.

You don't know what the score represents on PSM's scale.

You haven't played the final build.

Good lord give me the strength to not repeat this to you the next time you spout yet more inanities.

 

[Madman]

I don't know what it represents. But I know PSM uses a representative scale where a 6.5 is not strictly a 65 percent but rather translates out to an adjective that's established in the magazine's grading scale.

See, that's how most game magazines work. Each number on the scale refers to a descriptor.

And you can just admit you're arguing from ignorance. It's okay.

You haven't read the whole review.

You don't know what the score represents on PSM's scale.

You haven't played the final build.

Good lord give me the strength to not repeat this to you the next time you spout yet more inanities.

I asked this last page before you just ignored me, but where is a link to the review? I would like to read it.

 

[Segata Sanshiro]

Your actually damage controlling that rant? Please go outside and perform Seppuku you have failed to protect the house.

And which house am I protecting? Should be interesting to hear.

 

[Synless]

I don't know what it represents. But I know PSM uses a representative scale where a 6.5 is not strictly a 65 percent but rather translates out to an adjective that's established in the magazine's grading scale.

See, that's how most game magazines work. Each number on the scale refers to a descriptor.

And you can just admit you're arguing from ignorance. It's okay.

You haven't read the whole review.

You don't know what the score represents on PSM's scale.

You haven't played the final build.

Good lord give me the strength to not repeat this to you the next time you spout yet more inanities.

Is this going to be the case for every review now taht we don't know what it stands for? I played the beta and I'll tell you unless it got worse then that it was better then 6.5 end of story I'm done arguing this with you.

*edit* Who's more ignorant a person who's played the game and knows of what it consists of or someone who hasn't and for some reason is trying to defend a magazines scoring rank when he himself doesn't even know what it's based on?

 

[a.wd]

but seriously isnt the majority of the hate cause he graded a game lower than a lot of you thought he should? shouldnt the fault lie with the editor, or the person tasked with accepting his submissions, or the person who hired a supposedly pro xbox person?

I don't think that this guys opinions emerged from a vacuum straight onto the pages of a mainstream magazine, there has to be culpability along the submission trail, and yes there is a valid argument that he didn't mention all the different pricing options and as such could denigrate his validity, but he didn't get there alone did he?

 

[proposition]

This thread is so great.

 

[Vennt]

This thread is so great.

I disagree, it needs some therapy, it needs closure to heal it from the horrors it has witnessed.