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Out of the game, Ep.11

For people who're wondering what this episode is about; I haven't finished listening to it yet, but both Avatar (the movie, that is) and Shadow Complex takes up a large portion of this podcast.
 
stuburns said:
Listening now.

As for Avatar. People are morons, the preview was incredible.
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i love Furries too.

its interesting to listen to this podcast back to back with a past GFW ep. the juxtaposition is interesting: between the rightful skewering of Halo's faults in days of old to the fellating of its legacy now. i dont want to sound like a negative nancy, i am very appreciative of this casted pod ... jus sayin'.
 
DevelopmentArrested said:
i love Furries too.
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They couldn't be less 'furry' if they tried. They're rubbery if anything, and we all know how much people like shagging with rubber.

The discussion of the writing is fair enough of course, but I really don't get the hate for the Na'vi design at all. And the world design is pretty incredible.
 
stuburns said:
They couldn't be less 'furry' if they tried. They're rubbery if anything, and we all know how much people like shagging with rubber.

The discussion of the writing is fair enough of course, but I really don't get the hate for the Na'vi design at all. And the world design is pretty incredible.
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I don't understand why people disagree with my opinions, either.

Just givin' ya shit! No harm meant. :D
 
colinp said:
I don't understand why people disagree with my opinions, either.
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I guess it's just the frustration of not knowing what these people are seeing. If Avatar isn't the best 3D so far, I really want to know what these people are going to see because I'm missing out massively.

I do agree with concerns of the story. I haven't read the script, I don't know, but I assume Jake's human body is in the hands of his people, who will be his enemy, and the major issue will be if he's willing to die and give up his new found life to help the Na'vi etc. But it's interesting, Shawn talks about games not requiring heavy story, but it seems that they are acting like cinema does. And it really doesn't. The world of Pandora is probably enough to hold my attention for 180 or so minutes. One of my favorite movies is Tekkonkinkreet, and I really couldn't even begin to tell you the story. Sometimes the visuals is more than enough.
 
N'Gai Croal (I don't know how often you read these threads, but anyway):

During the discussion about the Shadow Complex boycott you mention people who go out of their way to buy the game just because there's a boycott.

Now, I doubt many people actually did that and I don't think that the game's lost a substantial amount of buyers due to the boycott either, but you're calling that a legitimate reason. I don't know about that, depending on what you meant. Sure, it's a reason, but that's also doing it purely out of spite -- not because they support the game (or at least that's how I understood it).
 
stuburns said:
Sometimes the visuals is more than enough.
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And sometimes not!
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Enjoyed the podcast. Couple of minor Tarrantino spoilers towards the end.
ItsInMyVeins said:
N'Gai Croal (I don't know how often you read these threads, but anyway):

During the discussion about the Shadow Complex boycott you .
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People raised it in the thread. I don't think N'Gai put any significant weight behind the argument. The saying goes all press is good press, still stands.
 
DevelopmentArrested said:
And sometimes not!
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Very true. Though, while technically impressive, it's one of the most hideous movies artistically.

I really meant if the story doesn't step on the visuals. I think Cameron has more than earned the benefit of the doubt. True lies is his only movie that wasn't pretty amazing, and even then it's far from bad.

It could be a wank film, but it is a pretty one.
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Visualante said:
People raised it in the thread. I don't think N'Gai put any significant weight behind the argument. The saying goes all press is good press, still stands.
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Raised what?
 
stuburns said:
They couldn't be less 'furry' if they tried. They're rubbery if anything, and we all know how much people like shagging with rubber.

The discussion of the writing is fair enough of course, but I really don't get the hate for the Na'vi design at all. And the world design is pretty incredible.
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I find it very hard to care about characters when they're rubbery blue aliens, no matter how life like the CG is.
 
Acid08 said:
I find it very hard to care about characters when they're rubbery blue aliens, no matter how life like the CG is.
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Did you see the preview? I think people will care, a lot.

You're going to be seeing humans as aliens, along with the aliens, and the aliens themselves are very human.

EDIT: saw? I'm an idiot.
 
stuburns said:
Did you saw the preview? I think people will care, a lot.

You're going to be seeing humans as aliens, along with the aliens, and the aliens themselves are very human.
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The preview or the trailer? Because I saw a pretty long trailer before Inglourious Basterds. Honestly I think it'll be entertaining but it seems like its being blown way out of proportion. Cameron hasn't made an excellent movie since T2.
 
Acid08 said:
The preview or the trailer? Because I saw a pretty long trailer before Inglourious Basterds. Honestly I think it'll be entertaining but it seems like its being blown way out of proportion. Cameron hasn't made an excellent movie since T2.
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The preview is what I meant. The trailer is like 80 seconds, and doesn't show any social interaction between the Na'vi.

If you'd have seen the preview, and thought you weren't going to empathize with the Na'vi, I'd be pretty interested in that. However, the trailer doesn't try to do that. It doesn't even show who the antagonists are, in fact, it shows humans as the good guys because it's clear Jake is the hero, but not that he's a traitor.

EDIT: What's with the heavy breathing in the Orson Scott Card discussion? Put your plastic vagina away whilst record Mr Smith.
 
stuburns said:
The preview is what I meant. The trailer is like 80 seconds, and doesn't show any social interaction between the Na'vi.

If you'd have seen the preview, and thought you weren't going to empathize with the Na'vi, I'd be pretty interested in that. However, the trailer doesn't try to do that. It doesn't even show who the antagonists are, in fact, it shows humans as the good guys because it's clear Jake is the hero, but not that he's a traitor.

EDIT: What's with the heavy breathing in the Orson Scott Card discussion? Put your plastic vagina away whilst record Mr Smith.
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The trailer I saw was probably between 5 and 7 minutes long. Had a lot of fight scenes, a Na'vi(lol) kissing scene, and a bunch of dialogue.
 
stuburns said:
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EDIT: What's with the heavy breathing in the Orson Scott Card discussion? Put your plastic vagina away whilst record Mr Smith.
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i agree stubborns - wajah breathing sounding like luke was motorboating a cortana fleshlight
 
Acid08 said:
The trailer I saw was probably between 5 and 7 minutes long. Had a lot of fight scenes, a Na'vi(lol) kissing scene, and a bunch of dialogue.
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Dialogue between the Na'vi in their language?

It's a case by case basis of course, but I found them to be very human, and I have no doubt when watching the film, their legitimacy will be an issue for me at all.
 
Visualante said:
The notion of buying Shadow Complex, just because the boycott.
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Ah, yeah, I know people said that in the thread. I just don't think that many people actually did it, unless they already planned on buying the game. My point was that I don't know if I consider buying a game out of spite because of a thread on the internet is what I'd call a "legitimate" reason -- depending on what that implies, then. But of course they're free to do so.
 
DevelopmentArrested said:
i agree stubborns - wajah breathing sounding like luke was motorboating a cortana fleshlight
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Hmm my mic is usually totally off when I'm not talking
and usually off when I start talking
so I'd be shocked if it was me.

If it was sorry, friends!
 
I just guessed, it wasn't N'Gai, but it could have been Shawn, probably was actually, the quality is more consistent with his track.
 
Sweet, will listen at work tomorrow.

Someone should check if Robert safely emerged from his marijuana vaporizing chamber, he seems to have gone missing.
 
830920 said:
Sweet, will listen at work tomorrow.

Someone should check if Robert safely emerged from his marijuana vaporizing chamber, he seems to have gone missing.
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he must be in Aruba basking in the afterglow of sweet musical success because im pretty sure he slunked out of a Rebel FM recording a few weeks back too. That or in a hot Californian room with Taco Bell wrappers around his feet editing the new Life Well Wasted!

the unwarned Basterds spoilers are tremendous! saving the last 24 mins for a rainy day.
 
ItsInMyVeins said:
N'Gai Croal (I don't know how often you read these threads, but anyway):

During the discussion about the Shadow Complex boycott you mention people who go out of their way to buy the game just because there's a boycott.

Now, I doubt many people actually did that and I don't think that the game's lost a substantial amount of buyers due to the boycott either, but you're calling that a legitimate reason. I don't know about that, depending on what you meant. Sure, it's a reason, but that's also doing it purely out of spite -- not because they support the game (or at least that's how I understood it).
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Haven't listened yet (I'll probably skip this one, Shadow Complex debate is tired) but did he mean people were buying it to support Card's stand? I guess that is as legit a position as a boycott (whether you agree with the underlying issue or not). I buy Raven games to support Wisconsin developers, and if the Reason Foundation ever created a game I'd buy it in a second, regardless of quality.

I think most of the people in the GAF thread just said it to be dicks though.

As for Avatar, the trailer killed any interest I had for the movie. Characters looked terrible and the "technology is evil" story is overdone. That's what the trailer left me with. Maybe as more comes out I'll get interested again.
 
eznark said:
Haven't listened yet (I'll probably skip this one, Shadow Complex debate is tired) but did he mean people were buying it to support Card's stand? I guess that is as legit a position as a boycott (whether you agree with the underlying issue or not). I buy Raven games to support Wisconsin developers, and if the Reason Foundation ever created a game I'd buy it in a second, regardless of quality.

I think most of the people in the GAF thread just said it to be dicks though.
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That's what I'm not sure about. What I got from that part was that some people were gonna buy the game because of the boycott -- not because they support either the develper or Card or simply because the game looks fun. If they do it because they support the developer or Card or whatever, then yeah, I'd say that's a legit reason. I'm just saying that doing it to spite people isn't what I consider a legit reason, not in the context of that discussion anyways. It doesn't bring anything to the discussion at all.

But like you say, most people who said that were probably just being dicks, and that's my point; it isn't helpful at all in a discussion. Now I've spent more time talking about N'Gais use of the word "legitimate" than I would have liked to, I was just curious about what he meant more precisely by that :lol
 
eznark said:
(I'll probably skip this one, Shadow Complex debate is tired)
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They spend quite a while just discussing the game, in fact that portion might even clock in a bit heftier then the controversy talk.

Speaking of the controversy section though, I thought it was a good discussion. Seemed to summarize the positions thoughtfully and that was really appreciated.

Lastly, my "favorite" OSC quote I didn't hear brought up:

"Laws against homosexual behavior should remain on the books, not to be indiscriminately enforced against anyone who happens to be caught violating them, but to be used when necessary to send a clear message that those who flagrantly violate society's regulation of sexual behavior cannot be permitted to remain as acceptable, equal citizens within that society."
 
ItsInMyVeins said:
That's what I'm not sure about. What I got from that part was that some people were gonna buy the game because of the boycott -- not because they support either the develper or Card or simply because the game looks fun. If they do it because they support the developer or Card or whatever, then yeah, I'd say that's a legit reason. I'm just saying that doing it to spite people isn't what I consider a legit reason, not in the context of that discussion anyways. It doesn't bring anything to the discussion at all.

But like you say, most people who said that were probably just being dicks.
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My understanding of the discussion was N'Gai said some GAFfers had said they were going to buy the game specifically because others were boycotting it. Boycotting a boycott essentially. Seems strange to me, but whatever, I think making the boycott official is kind of stupid too. If you don't want to line the pockets of a homophobic asshat, so be it.

As for the breathing, turns out it was Shawn, I apologize for the plastic vagina gag.
 
Favorite quote from Shawn describing the N'avi "They use all of the buffalo." I haven't seen much of Avatar, but I'm not very interested in the movie, I have a "wait and see" attitude toward it.
 
stuburns said:
As for the breathing, turns out it was Shawn, I apologize for the plastic vagina gag.
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Not to derail the larger discussion, but can you give me a specific section of time? From listening to the OSC segment, it sounds like it was just N'Gai's mic picking up more room sound than usual, which I unsuccessfully tried to eliminate.

Whenever someone isn't talking, I mute their track so it's not introducing extra noise.
 
ZootedGranny said:
Not to derail the larger discussion, but can you give me a specific section of time? From listening to the OSC segment, it sounds like it was just N'Gai's mic picking up more room sound than usual, which I unsuccessfully tried to eliminate.

Whenever someone isn't talking, I mute their track so it's not introducing extra noise.
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It's pretty persistent throughout that section, and it's on again after Luke bails. If it's just N'Gai's room noise, you can gate it out quite easily.
 
Does 3D make AVATAR better? In terms of cgi it's not as mind blowing as the first time i saw jurassic park. Unless cameron does some mind blowing stuff with the virtual camera because the Mise en scène reminds me of the fantasy of world of warcraft and the realism of halo. Eh.... i'll still go see it.

Any of you guys play the MMO yet =D
 
Technosteve said:
Does 3D make AVATAR better? In terms of cgi it's not as mind blowing as the first time i saw jurassic park. Unless cameron does some mind blowing stuff with the virtual camera because the Mise en scène reminds me of the fantasy of world of warcraft and the realism of halo. Eh.... i'll still go see it.
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It's pretty incredible. And the 3D is a lot better in the CG than in the 'traditional' filming. The CG might not be the best when you compare a single mech to something like a Transformer. However, in that film, the amount of CG isn't really even comparable. And in terms of time, rendering in 3D takes double the time, two angles per traditional frame.

I think people saying Halo are kind of crazy, Bungie take massive influences from Cameron's work, his work stays the same and now he's ripping them off? When Reach looks exactly like all Bungie games are we going to say they're ripping of Avatar? As for WoW, this is kind of true, there is an area in WoW (I played for like an afternoon once so forgive my ignorance) that is all purple with floaty blue things in a forrest, and it kind of looks similar to an area in Avatar. But it's still not really that close at all.

I think the CG is great though.

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Yeah, his teeth aren't perfectly 'human', however, when you see them for like a second, how are you ever going to know.
 
Holy shit, that breathing during the shadow complex part is hilarious.
 
Jtwo said:
Holy shit, that breathing during the shadow complex part is hilarious.
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I was convinced someone was pulling a masturbation joke, but then it never ended :(
 
stuburns said:
I just guessed, it wasn't N'Gai, but it could have been Shawn, probably was actually, the quality is more consistent with his track.
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I was beating off to Navi. Actually I hope it wasn't me as I have the same pet peeve and tried to police it on GFW radio. If it was me, pretend I'm jacking to the link on my twitter labelled "The law must be fair, let her go bare."
 
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