http://www.gametrailers.com/videos/r2c0yy/pach-attack--are-nintendo---s-projections-serious-
And no, Pachter didn't admit he made a mistake saying that Nintendo would not hold a Q2 investor meeting.
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Pach-Attack!: Are Nintendos Projections Serious?
- Thread starter Tripon
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http://www.gametrailers.com/videos/r2c0yy/pach-attack--are-nintendo---s-projections-serious-
And no, Pachter didn't admit he made a mistake saying that Nintendo would not hold a Q2 investor meeting.
Stratostar
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Let the Pach-detracting commence.
Schnozberry
Member
It doesn't require a lot of analysis. It's not happening.
And I think we're done here.
CrashLanding75
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Nintendo will meet their projections with Mario. Pach just picks on Nintendo.
cjoyce1980
Banned
he is a forecaster! don't expect any forecaster to be right 100% of the time...
you do bash the weather man when its raining, instead of cool and dry!
ONLY IN GAMING ARE PEOPLE THIS IRRATIONAL!
you do bash the weather man when its raining, instead of cool and dry!
ONLY IN GAMING ARE PEOPLE THIS IRRATIONAL!
Dv8thwonder
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New consoles releasing in the coming weeks, I guess it's time for the videogame media anti-Nintendo hate machine to kick it into high gear.
Hyperactivity
Banned
We need no more Pach analyses
But you know what we need. Colin Moriarty to make a Ouya set to dominate article where he trashes the WiiU
But you know what we need. Colin Moriarty to make a Ouya set to dominate article where he trashes the WiiU
Let's not start this shit again. Nintendo's handheld division is doing just fine, but it's pretty obvious the Wii U isn't where it needs to be. The world doesn't have it out for Nintendo.
cjoyce1980
Banned
I think its more frustration, as he can see errors in their business practises.
most love nintendo, and no one wants them to go away. it would be a sad day if we lost the big N. but they need more 3rd party games, any and all indie games and better online.
i'm frustrated with nintendo, but smash and kart might get me to purchase a wii u along with another price cut
Cert.in.Death
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Nintendo isn't going to sell 8.5 million units more this fiscal year. They're stuck in no man's land - the PS4 & X1 are noticeably more capable and the backlog of entertainment you can get on a 360/PS3 is far more vast than what you can get on Wii U. Iwata is probably going to start feeling some serious heat to resign after the fiscal year closes.
As for SteamOS, it's not just about the games being ported to Linux that will make Steam Machines viable contenders in the market - one of the largest draws of PC gaming is the mod community and it also has to transition. Those are two seriously huge obstacles to overcome if Valve isn't going to be releasing their titles exclusively for SteamOS.
As for SteamOS, it's not just about the games being ported to Linux that will make Steam Machines viable contenders in the market - one of the largest draws of PC gaming is the mod community and it also has to transition. Those are two seriously huge obstacles to overcome if Valve isn't going to be releasing their titles exclusively for SteamOS.
True that, hell, it's impossible. Unless they drop the price even more but this won't happen.
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I say this, but I think it wouldn't even reach the goal with another price drop, it's just straight delusional.
Otakumegane
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The media sure does. It's beneficial that they fail to be honest, they get more press that way.
UltraGunner
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I don't think it's controversial to say that Ninty won't meet their projections. I mean would anyone be mad at him if he told people that the sun will rise in the morning? Because that's essentially what he's saying.
Gormless Noodle
Member
I don't think Iwata's projections are realistic either, but I'll wait till the holidays are over for a final judgement. If there's one thing you learn in this industry, it's to never underestimate Nintendo.
Dv8thwonder
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The world? No but a certain analyst seems to want them to fail.
CrashLanding75
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I agree. The mainstream media certainly hates Nintendo. It's not like they have picked on Sony or MS. It's only Nintendo that gets it and it's unfair.
Psycho_Mantis
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They have to sell another 8.5 million by March. Iwata was high. Please understand.
Otakumegane
Member
Less hate more would like to fail for our own benefit. There are people who like Nintendo a lot.
WrenchNinja
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He said the same thing, wait till after December to make your conclusion.
speculawyer
Member
This. Nintendo is in a gamecube era. Sometimes you are the windshield and sometimes you are the bug.
TheRedSnifit
Member
So, Nintendo's going to meet predictions?
Hyperactivity
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Every time I see someone like Pachter bashing something, I want the exact opposite thing to happen.
Uncle Rupee
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They'd have to do a Nintendo Direct in the next couple weeks that announces near-complete coming-soon games that are so insane everyone would want to rush out and buy the Wii U.
I really don't think Pachter has it out for Ninty.
I haven't seen many doom and gloom articles lately.
Even then, there is still no guarantee that they will meet their 9 mil mark.
Crimsonlink
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I think they can reach half of 9 million if they make bundles and lower the price below the $300 range but thats very unlikely.
I also don´t expect them to be wrong 100% of the time, yet Pachter is pretty close to that percentage if he is doing something else than stating the obvious.
Derpcrawler
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So many people are coming out of Nintendo salt mines... Why hate Pachter? While he is speculating, but it's obvious to any rational being that Nintendo done goofed with Wii U.
The only goal Nintendo could possibly meet is their 3DS goals.
If Nintendo meets their 9 million WiiU sales goal, Iwata should be Eternal President of Nintendo then.
Seeing how Pachter brings back that "Iwata will resign if Operating Profit goal missed" thing makes me wonder if as an analysts he goes through investors Q&A Meetings transcript in detail or just reads headlines in the press. All those who read the transcript when he said it knew that he didn't say it (including people here at GAF) or at best debated about whether or not he implied he will resign.
SporeCrawler
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Arent those projections based on certain accounting rules (ifrs?) or are they completely in the hand of the cpmpany?
Schnozberry
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Iwata is putting on a brave face because it is culturally required of him. I don't think he really believes in these numbers. They were moon beams when they were announced, and then they didn't release a game for six months.
SporeCrawler
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For an industry analyst that covers nintendo (he often stresses that he doesnt cover sony and ms since they are not pure game companies, which i think is bs) he knows shockingly little.
SwiftDeath
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Should be a fun watch
Dv8thwonder
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I was a lurker back when a post similiar to this was uttered about the Wii early on. Didn't make sense then and still doesn't now. I will now quickly demolish this post and any others if need be.
Edit:8.5M it is. Iwata is one gutsy dude. Mario Kart 8 has to be coming out in March early now to meet those numbers. I said WOW.
The Wii U would need to sell 4M between now and March 2014. (Let's adjust that to 4.5M just for the sake of GAF reasons;lol) Pachter says it can't happen but history tells us a different story:
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Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 2 (Activision, Nov. 2009, Xbox 360)
Wii Sports Resort (Nintendo, July 2009, Wii)
New Super Mario Bros. Wii (Nintendo, Nov. 2009, Wii)
Wii Fit (Nintendo, May 2008, Wii)
Wii Fit Plus (Nintendo, Oct. 2009, Wii)
Mario Kart Wii (Nintendo, April 2008, Wii)
Wii Play (Nintendo, Feb. 2007, Wii)
Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 2 (Activision, Nov. 2009, PS3)
Halo 3: ODST (Microsoft, Sept. 2009, 360)
Pokemon Platinum Version (Nintendo, March 2009, DS)
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These are the best selling games of 2009. Doesn't anything strike you as familiar?
It's almost a carbon copy of what is available this year.
The Nintendomination is strong with this one.
Now granted the Wii had far more of a userbase then what the Wii U does now but what you most might fail to see is that a certain multiplayer Mario title sold in November took the Wii into the stratosphere. THERE IS NO STOPPING THIS TRAIN.
PS4/Xbone are not competing against the Wii U or even the PC. They are at odds with their predecessors who have hit their strides that will see no end in the forseeable future. The audiences they have been cultivating or stealing (depends on who you ask) will see no value in buying these new boxes because what they have is simply good enough. And with their more dedicated audience quickly adopting they lose customers due to the "highly skilled audience" flooding the market with cheaper alternatives.
"the backlog of entertainment you can get on a 360/PS3 is far more vast than what you can get on Wii U."
And what exactly makes the PS4/Xbone so immune to this same logic? That's a double-edge sword your using. Be careful there!
SteamOS is hot air in a lead balloon. It will go nowhere fast. And by fast I mean, it is time to lower your expectations. QUICKLY
Now adjust it back to 8.5 million because that's the actual number needed.
The rest of your post amounts to 'Wii did it, Wii U will too'. Um, nope. Thought that was clear to everyone by now.
He also said "GTA5 probably the best selling game of all time" (which it's not even close to).
For a guy who is supposed to be immersed in the games business all day he sure makes some strange statements.
dragonflys545
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9 million Wii Us?
LOL That got me. But yeah it's not happening, especially with the ways they are handling things this generation.
Dv8thwonder
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Not will but can. I don't understand why if something worked before it can't work for Nintendo but if Sony, Microsoft or a 3rd party publisher does it annually throughout a generation its automatically a success.
Professor Beef
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neither does iwata
Chû Totoro
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No. 4.5 is the right number.... that's why it's still possible (very hard to achieve but still possible)
Graphics Horse
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Chû Totoro;89248627 said:
Forecast is 9m for this financial year only.
Less than 5 months left.
Dv8thwonder
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Chû Totoro;89248627 said:
Can you say limited edition Super Mario 3D World bundle? (crossing everything)
Chû Totoro
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Yeah I know but people keep saying that there is 9m to go. 4.5 / 5m is what's left.
It's still possible. Wii U is the only next gen system in Japan : there is a quite good number of games both available and to come while in EU and US I still see some place for decent sales.
Seriously this is far from being a completely unreachable number. November and december are representing a very big share of whole year sales. Don't forget that.