Flightmare
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Yep. Nintendo either needs to stick with the wii u, or go permanently third party
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Pachter: Nintendo should temporarily release games on PS4/XBO
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Yep. Nintendo either needs to stick with the wii u, or go permanently third party
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and we are done
And all of NeoGAF.
Considering Nintendo has zero experience making games for non Nintendo hardware and has their engine is created purely for their own hardware.......I think people underestimate how much it would cost to get up to speed on the other platforms.
Far better off just downgrading the titles and releasing them on the 3DS alongside Wii U. It won't surprise me if dual format releases is part of the restructuring they were talking about.
Far better off just downgrading the titles and releasing them on the 3DS alongside Wii U. It won't surprise me if dual format releases is part of the restructuring they were talking about.
SporeCrawler
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Yeah how many copies of sonic racers transformed sold on xbox or playstation
What about platformers! Those types of games are just not popular and there is no guarantee nintendo will suddenly change the trend on that systems.
Exactly.
Even though the Wii U is in dire straits and Iwata etc. are plotting new business strategies, Nintendo are the ones expanding.
They did their new R&D building, they've hired a craptonne of new staff, they've funnelled $135m extra into their R&D budget.
Sony, on the other hand, recently had a load of redundancies and they had to sell off one of their major buildings just to stay afloat.
Say what you will about the Wii U, but Nintendo is expanding to try and counter its woes.
For those of you without a WiiU, who wouldn't pick up any of the 1st party stuff they'd be putting out? Also they'd still hold down the handheld market, the DS isn't going anywhere. Hell I've thought about buying a WiiU a few times, the bundles here in Japan are a pretty good deal. However, all I really want it for is for Mario, Windwaker and the Wii emulation.
A large part of their losses can be attributed to ramped up R&D and marketing expenses - investments to improve Wii U sales going forward. When they actually begin to fire developers and sell assets, then there's reason to be concerned about their future.
Are you serious now or is this just a little bit of hyperbole? Bacause yeah, Nintendo is going through some rough times but you really think it's that bad?
Shin Johnpv
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......................I mean sure he's gone to school and is technically "intelligent", but fuck is this one of the dumbest, moronic, and purely asinine comments I've ever read.
Sony and Microsoft have been losing millions for years, billions in some cases. Do you see people saying such asinine things about them? No.
If Nintendo did this, it'd kill any chances of them releasing hardware again in the future. Yes, the Wii U isn't selling well (contrary to belief, it is selling. It had its best ever month in the US last month, and really good in Japan too. Not sure about Europe), but come on...
Then there's the whole shifting to develop for those consoles, getting used to their architecture as well. It'd take years before they'd be ready.
excelent post, people around here should read this before posting.
Er he's not mentioning that if Nintendo does this, they essentially abandon the Wii U. After they do this, why would consumers have any faith in the next console Nintendo releases when they make enough to go back to hardware? Of all the dumb things Pachter says, this is one of the dumbest.
What reason would anyone have to ever bother with buying Nintendo hardware again if they proved they're willing to port their games to other companies' systems when things go south? Consumers would either just wait them out or portbeg until they get their way.
TheRealTalker
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Just when we thought they would never come back.... Secretly they where increasing their forces
hence the Atlus purchase... at all makes sense
TheGreatMightyPoo
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He's the same guy that said the 3DS at launch was UNDERpriced.
i can't find the source, but wasn't this what the execs at sega had in mind before sammy absorbed them into the amorphous blob that was sega sammy holdings? i recall that the idea was to make a 'dreamcast 2' but the merger put a permanent end to the console hardware division.
i just don't know how you go back to creating hardware unless you're doing it extremely specialized, like snk did with the neo geo x (and specialized hardware was always their bag).
i just don't know how you go back to creating hardware unless you're doing it extremely specialized, like snk did with the neo geo x (and specialized hardware was always their bag).
Sony and Microsoft have been losing millions for years, billions in some cases. Do you see people saying such asinine things about them? No.
If Nintendo did this, it'd kill any chances of them releasing hardware again in the future. Yes, the Wii U isn't selling well (contrary to belief, it is selling. It had its best ever month in the US last month, and really good in Japan too. Not sure about Europe), but come on...
Then there's the whole shifting to develop for those consoles, getting used to their architecture as well. It'd take years before they'd be ready.
And this post will be ignored by all the clueless people and its posting facts
SporeCrawler
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If anything nintendo was not aggressive enough 5 years ago when they were making tons of money and their brand name was on a all time high.
They should have purchased failing studios to further strengthen their first party lineup.
Nintendo however is very restrictive on expanding their headcount.
RealityPales
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How much does he get paid?
Because most of NeoGAF is smarter than this guy.
Maybe we should make our own variant of Wedbush Securities.
Because most of NeoGAF is smarter than this guy.
Maybe we should make our own variant of Wedbush Securities.
Majmun
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Yes, basically all of them. I love Nintendo games, but I don't feel like buying a Wii U for now.
You think they should let go of their properties because its a disservice that people can't play it everywhere?
Uh, they are a business and if they hold in their hands properties worth billions and the means to get those games on peoples hands and TVs through their own machines, they are not and should not decide to throw that away because some people think they are being mean in not letting them buy Zelda on their Xbones or Pokemon on Vita.
You want their stuff, buy their machines. Wii U is the rare case of a nintendo machine losing them money after decades and decades of profits, you think they will throw their hands in the air after one misstep? And all in the name of not making a disservice to people who only want their games on other systems?
There is no business logic here. Just wishful thinking of a convenient way to merge two things you like.
pachter really is clueless. theres no temporary third party. not that wii u is doing swell, but for them to switch now they would fuck themselves even more.
wii u production would stop a year after. current games would be delayed and incur more costs. the majority of people who eveb buy Xbox don't care about Nintendo products. what is this guy thinking?
wii u production would stop a year after. current games would be delayed and incur more costs. the majority of people who eveb buy Xbox don't care about Nintendo products. what is this guy thinking?
Is it just me or does everytime something Nintendo related hits the press, Pachter has some strange analysis that would never pan out in reality?
Pie and Beans
Look for me on the local news, I'll be the guy arrested for trying to burn down a Nintendo exec's house.
I have to assume Pachter is just downing whiskeys and trolling half of the time nowadays. Yes, just dip your feet in that third party pool, then yank em back out. Thats how that works.
Are you just intentionally pretending Nintendo contracting quite a darn bit isn't incredibly obviously about to occur now their entire home console division seems forfeit and handhelds too are down? Is this ostrich time? What you're currently witnessing is Nintendo as a corporation at the absolute fattest it will be for another decade at least if they ever turn it around. Thats what Playstations had to go through and deal with intelligently. Now Iwata's up to bat and he has no clear roadmap at all.
Are you just intentionally pretending Nintendo contracting quite a darn bit isn't incredibly obviously about to occur now their entire home console division seems forfeit and handhelds too are down? Is this ostrich time? What you're currently witnessing is Nintendo as a corporation at the absolute fattest it will be for another decade at least if they ever turn it around. Thats what Playstations had to go through and deal with intelligently. Now Iwata's up to bat and he has no clear roadmap at all.
Perhaps, but just because they should probably have done that a few years ago does not mean that the expansion they are doing now shouldn't be done. Hindsight is 20/20.
Considering they stated what much of the loss was? It's not pretending. You shall see.
Yeah I really do. Thy are behind in software as well as hardware.
They dont even have a infrastructure for proper accounts and online/shop.
Takes forever to download and install games from their store for instance.
They cant compete anymore. They still create awesome games though.
When I said short term, I meant profits could go back into the green with a Zelda/Mario/Metroid WiiU/PS4/XB1 title sure, but I feel like with a move like that it could damage the idea that 1st Party Nintendo titles will remain 1st party only.
Truly, IDK how it would work, I'm just speculating here, I just don't think personally it's a good idea. If they want a short term solution, make "Nintendo Lite" games for mobile and that profit will allow for the WiiU losses to be offset until their next console.
ChiliManiac
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Ever played Max: The Curse of Brotherhood? Pretty good game, reviews don't really do it justice. What about Peggle 2? How come that game does well? Please...spare me the hysterics
Won't argue there, and the Wii U is doing better just not as good as they had hoped.
moltonasty
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omfg man...this is getting really annoying for me. just because nintendo's home console business is not doing great doesn't mean they should put their iconic games on competing platforms.
the amount of stupidity from people who think it would be smart to put mario on xbox one, for example, is astounding.
the audience on these other consoles is on average not interested in nintendo games, or nintendo style games. they are interested in fps, sports, cinematic games, etc.
if they were so interested in mario, zelda, etc, they would buy the console that plays those games.
even rayman legends sold best on wii u.
even sonic racing sold best on wii u.
sega reported sonic in general sold best on nintendo systems.
the platforming genre is historically strongest on nintendo platforms.
but yet, suddenly all the die hard Gears/Halo/Uncharted/etc fans are gonna go CRAZY FOR MARIO AND ZELDA AND KIRBY! and nintendo is gonna make sooooooo much money guyssss, really! why? cuz nintendo hardware is the suxxxx,that's why.
come on.
the amount of stupidity from people who think it would be smart to put mario on xbox one, for example, is astounding.
the audience on these other consoles is on average not interested in nintendo games, or nintendo style games. they are interested in fps, sports, cinematic games, etc.
if they were so interested in mario, zelda, etc, they would buy the console that plays those games.
even rayman legends sold best on wii u.
even sonic racing sold best on wii u.
sega reported sonic in general sold best on nintendo systems.
the platforming genre is historically strongest on nintendo platforms.
but yet, suddenly all the die hard Gears/Halo/Uncharted/etc fans are gonna go CRAZY FOR MARIO AND ZELDA AND KIRBY! and nintendo is gonna make sooooooo much money guyssss, really! why? cuz nintendo hardware is the suxxxx,that's why.
come on.
Apophis2036
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Then when the next Nintendo console arrives people just think "na I will just wait until the games arrive on my PS / Xbox".
Sony and Microsoft have been losing millions for years, billions in some cases. Do you see people saying such asinine things about them? No.
If Nintendo did this, it'd kill any chances of them releasing hardware again in the future. Yes, the Wii U isn't selling well (contrary to belief, it is selling. It had its best ever month in the US last month, and really good in Japan too. Not sure about Europe), but come on...
Then there's the whole shifting to develop for those consoles, getting used to their architecture as well. It'd take years before they'd be ready.
Don't bother. Many of these posts asking for them to go third party are mostly fueled by an emotional attachment to the idea of playing their stuff on their preferred platform, and not any kind of business logic.
That or just for the lulz
Randolph Freelander
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Sony and Microsoft have been losing millions for years, billions in some cases. Do you see people saying such asinine things about them? No.
Take this chart to Nintendo's shareholders, I'm sure they'll understand and lose interest in their own declining wealth.
Pie and Beans
Look for me on the local news, I'll be the guy arrested for trying to burn down a Nintendo exec's house.
Yes Nintendo has invested into expanding 2 years late for platforms that are selling historically less than they've ever had to deal with. Money well spent.
I've been told "you shall see" for about 2 years straight now, so can I get a timeframe on when the big "its always darkest just before dawn" moment is going to be when unbelievers are blinded by the greatest comeback story of all time.
Pretty much this.
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