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Pachter: Nintendo should temporarily release games on PS4/XBO

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Alright are we all in agreement that there is no such thing as "temporarily going third party"? Nintendo would only do this if it was substantially more profitable than their current model. People seem to forget that the 3DS is dominating EVERY console on the market. It'd be different if they had continuos negative aggregates but that's not the case.
 
AzaK said:
This sounds completely whack. OK so Mario Kart comes out on PS4. People buy PS4's to play it, thereby cementing the PS4 as their main platform. Then Nintendo release another machine and people oh, err sorry I already have a PS4.
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Lol who the fuck will buy a PS4 for Mario Kart when no one is buying a Wii U for Mario Kart?
 
the only thing remotely good about this idea is that it makes venturing into mobile quickly become not the worst idea on the table, which presumably was his goal.
 
Camp Lo said:
Lol who the fuck will buy a PS4 for Mario Kart when no one is buying a Wii U for Mario Kart?
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People who want to play Mario Kart and all the guaranteed third party support for PS4? I've got friends who like Mario Kart that haven't owned a Nintendo system since N64.
 
His suggestions always come off like he occasionally smokes PCP. This wouldn't work at all, what was the last 5 million seller platformer, Kart Racer, on the competing consoles?
 
ElTorro said:
There is still a huge objective and psychological difference between $299 and $99. The latter can attract much more people on impulse. It would also be cheap enough to be an easy christmas gift.

The Wii U is still expensive enough to be unattractive to casual gamers. The Wii was only successful because of the novelty of motion control. The price helped a lot but would not have been a sufficient reason on its own; it was only low in comparison to the competition. To attract those customers again, you either need another "revolutionary" idea (which apparently nobody has) or a very aggressive price, made possible by cheap hardware and the lack of a disk drive, that allows for "Yeah, whatever" purchases.

I would only be skeptical about the overall long-term software sales for such a thing, but at least Nintendo's own franchises would get the install-base they need to be profitable
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Just because something is $99 doesn't mean it will be popular. GC was $99 and it didn't sell. Vita TV is $99 and nobody cares. If somehow the Wii U could be sold for $99, it wouldn't sell much more than it currently is. Sure, a lot of people on the internet would go nuts and buy them up immediately, but in the grand scheme it wouldn't change things.

As I said earlier, the root problem here is that Nintendo wants people to buy their hardware to play their games, when quite frankly there are much better options available from Sony and MS. Why shouldn't people pay a bit more for a ps4 and be able to play a shit load more games (and dare I say better games) over the years?
 
CraZed said:
If by, selling a console to millions upon millions of unsuspecting casuals on which they never bought a single game after Wii Sports or Wii Fit (neither of which went used very much either) then I assume you are referring to the winner of last cycle as the Wii. Yes, Nintendo pulled a fast one on the elderly like my mother-in-law and the naïve youngsters around the globe with their Wii.

Also lets not forget that the Wii despite having a relatively huge market share before the last several years is < 20 million units ahead of the other big both of which will most likely sell more units on a yearly basis than the WiiU for the next several years. By the time the three last gen consoles are officially retired I doubt we'll be saying that the Wii actually won.
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Games are business. The Wii never sold at a loss all the while selling the most. Nintendo 1st party games crushed the other two in sales. So yes Nintendo won last gen. If they alienate their console market by releasing games on other systems they will never be in the game again.
 
Nintendo consoles are the devices that bring families together and Sony/MS almost known for the opposite.

Nintendo didn't make family gaming appealing enough over the Wii, doesn't mean it's impossible to do it again, just I lost faith they have the creativity and vision to do it with their software to the standards that would get people to shell out.
 
H_Prestige said:
Just because something is $99 doesn't mean it will be popular. GC was $99 and it didn't sell. Vita TV is $99 and nobody cares. If somehow the Wii U could be sold for $99, it wouldn't sell much more than it currently is. Sure, a lot of people on the internet would go nuts and buy them up immediately, but in the grand scheme it wouldn't change things.

As I said earlier, the root problem here is that Nintendo wants people to buy their hardware to play their games, when quite frankly there are much better options available from Sony and MS. Why shouldn't people pay a bit more for a ps4 and be able to play a shit load more games (and dare I say better games) over the years?
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There not really better games, they are different from what Nintendo offers. Nintendo chocked it self with platformers, RPGS and Mario. Nintendo can only bring so many gamers with that limited variety, but they need a bigger variety to bring in the rest.
 
This is seriously the worst idea Pachter has ever had.
I would rather see Nintendo go into hibernation for a few years while they develop games for their next console than see them on PS4/Xbone.
 
It would make more sense for Nintendo to just double-down on the 3DS and use all their development resources for that platform instead of developing for Xbox or PS4. Going third party temporarily would further damage Nintendo's brand and those faithful fans that bought $350 Deluxe Edition Wii U's on day one would never forgive Nintendo.
 
That seems kind of short-sighted. I don't think Nintendo is overly concerned with selling a bit of software on other platforms to try and improve the numbers. They need to decide on the company's future, and if that means distributing software on other platforms, then they should go all the way.
 
just when you think the Nintendoomed Gaf threads have reached the point of saturation, Pachter steps in and ups the ante to unreachable levels. Nothing will ever top this, nothing
 
This might be Pachter/Wedbush's way of easing into a full third party recommendation. This is a baby step. It's like the warning of a downgrade before the actual downgrade.
 
Not an unheard of idea, Sega released some of their games on other consoles while they were still in the console business.

They released their games on PC Engine (Turbografx), NES, PS1, ColecoVision, WonderSwan, Neo Geo Pocket and many more.

Sega still released games for their own systems too, so there's really nothing to suggest that it's impossible that Nintendo could temporarily release games for PS4/XB1/Steam.
 
It's not a bad idea, actually. Rope in a broader audience by releasing on all systems, then cut off support for them and put it on one system, forcing them to go to that one system. It's basically like widely distributing an addictive drug and then becoming the exclusive seller once it's been mass marketed.

But Nintendo won't do it.
 
There will never be a nintendo console again if nintendo published any games on the PS4.

Which could be a good thing. Nintendo can focus on what they are good at - making great games.
 
He's right on this one for once. But its a problem with eastern business models were profit isn't always the main focus. If nintendo was an american company we already would have Mario on every platform known to man. And they basically would be priniting money. I can't figure out why they can't see it, the world sees them as disney of the gaming world. All they need to do is realize how they company will be so much better off as a third party publishing house. There games would outsell COD.
 
Pachter should find some way to learn to close that ridiculous mouth of his, it's been spouting all sorts of shit recently. Nintendo should do this, Nintendo should do that. Yeah yeah, I hear you, you twat. I'm just not listening.
 
It will only show that the Call of Duty market STILL fears to like Mario games and the games will sell maybe even less than they are selling now
 
wildfire said:
So your argument is that Nintendo shouldn't make a new console after the Wii U as a counterpoint to people saying it's dumb to suggest Nintendo make a new console while also going 3rd party.

Brilliant debating skills.
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Actually, I asked an honest question for which I was quite interested in peoples responses, but I'll take a compliment any day as well, thanks!

My question was why people wanted Nintendo to continue making consoles. That was a real question. I love Nintendo games. I buy their consoles because... well, how else am I going to play Nintendo games?

All throughout this thread, there are many posts extolling the virtues of Nintendo games. However, I don't really see any about Nintendo consoles. In my experience at least (barring the SNES days), their consoles are serviceable. Handhelds aside, I rarely see anyone raving about Nintendo hardware. N64, Gamecube, Wii, WiiU, these threads are filled with love for Nintendo software, but I have the impression most people could take the hardware or leave it. Maybe I'm wrong and most of you guys think that Nintendo makes the best, most feature-rich and exciting consoles in the business. And if you think that, I'd love for you to share it.

I see a lot of "lol Patcher ur so dumb, I have no words" posts, but not really too many saying why people feel that way.

I think he's only half right. I think they should start moving their software to other platforms and try and make some money. If they make more money, I will by extension (hopefully) get to play more great Nintendo games. However, I'm not crazy about the idea that this would be temporary until they can come up with some new hardware of their own that is worthwhile.I think it would leave the new fans feeling burned, and the old fans fearing another disappointing console they get forced in to.

So if you think Patcher is a moron and want to continue seeing Nintendo develop new proprietary hardware... why? What is it you love so much more about Nintendo consoles then the competition? It can't be the games, that's the software product. What is it about their hardware that you want to see them keep doing?
 
Please, Mr. Patcher... Your comments towards Nintendo are often inaccurate and sometimes even biased but this time your comments are from a fanboy/troll level. Think twice about what you just said.
 
Duxxy3 said:
The storm could bankrupt the company.
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If they don't opt for any solution whatsoever, then maybe. (Assuming their massive troves and troves of cash won't cushion them.) But it's not like it's 3rd Party/mobile or nothing.

James93 said:
The wii U is done. They can't save it. There's no games, its basically a 360. And the price of the ps4 hurts the chance massive.
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It's looking bad, but I don't think it's way beyond hope. Especially considering how long generations are now. Even if what you say is the case though, there's no reason for them to resort to being reduced to 3rd party.
 
RELIGHT said:
Alright are we all in agreement that there is no such thing as "temporarily going third party"? Nintendo would only do this if it was substantially more profitable than their current model. People seem to forget that the 3DS is dominating EVERY console on the market. It'd be different if they had continuos negative aggregates but that's not the case.
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Didn't they temporarily go 3rd party with some licensing at least. Philips CD had a Zelda game, and Donkey Kong was on C64 - there was probably more but those I at least remember. They obviously recovered from that, so maybe this is something Pachter had in mind.
 
ZombiePlatypus said:
If they don't opt for any solution whatsoever, then maybe. (Assuming their massive troves and troves of cash won't cushion them.) But it's not like it's 3rd Party/mobile or nothing.



It's looking bad, but I don't think it's way beyond hope. Especially considering how long generations are now. Even if what you say is the case though, there's no reason for them to resort to being reduced to 3rd party.
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It would take such an overhaul of the product, massive marketing and games, plus a price cut. Nintendo doesn't have the money to do it.
 
James93 said:
The wii U is done. They can't save it. There's no games, its basically a 360. And the price of the ps4 hurts the chance massive.
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Why do people say this when it means absolutely nothing???

It's done when NINTENDO stops making games for it as has been known for some time that the third party situation isn't going to be noteworthy or improve.

It's cute for those to deem something "dead" but it has no meaning.

Obviously it's not going to make any big mark sales-wise but saying something is done when there are no signs it's actually done for gamers/consumers always struck me as funny.

This thing is OVER, can't wait for Donkey Kong, Kart, Bayonetta 2, Smash, X and Zelda.

Oh wait, I forgot, Zelda was cancelled according to some here because of the recent news.
 
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