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Pachter: Nintendo should temporarily release games on PS4/XBO
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Sounds like a dumb idea - great way to tell the consumer market it doesn't need to invest in Nintendo hardware and I doubt it would be easy to retract later the way he implies.
No, if Nintendo intend to remain a company focused on a combined hardware/software offering they can't afford to put their core exclusives on any other hardware no matter how it might short term bring in some money.
No, if Nintendo intend to remain a company focused on a combined hardware/software offering they can't afford to put their core exclusives on any other hardware no matter how it might short term bring in some money.
Would finally outsell Knack.
This does look sexy....
geordiemp
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Well, that's a bit strong there are many reasons people have I guess.
We have 2 x 360's, 2 x ps3, 2 x ps4 and a wii (not connected anymore) with 2 x TV in same room for gaming (yes we like gaming).
But its getting too much, there is no room for more, and it would have to be enough to replace the Ps3 (sony first party) or 360 (multiplats) library and that's saying something.
I think most people who have moved to next gen are still keeping and paying last gen, so they already have 2 or 3 gaming consoles -its too much to ad more for many of us.
Night_Trekker
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Sometimes I think Pachter is trolling us, with the stupidity of some of these ideas.
SporeCrawler
Member
i am questioning that this strategy is sound and i think im not the only one.
looks like it to me.
there are many big selling games that dont get hardware bundles. for third party games its only games like GTA or Fifa that get the opportunity. Mario is an unknown entity on the Playstation Platform.
okay... so you are saying you want more competition yet you want a major competitor to drop out...
you are saying ninendo doing business is impossible but yet 2006 is just 7 years ago. thats not a long time ago. if you go 7 further years back its 1999. thats when people called nintendoomed as well.
it is a fact that nintendo is a wealthy company that focuses solely on making games and it is also a fact that they have found success not too long ago. the existence of them in the market alone will benefit other platform customers indirectly with lower prices.
geordiemp
Member
Pachter suggestion has is flaws long term 'possibly' -who knows, but short term over the next 2-3 years Nintendo would make more money in the home console environment with a larger customer base.
Question is, releasing on a Sony or MS console would reduce 3ds sales - I don't know, they to me are totally different markets.
Cheesemeister
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That's right, create consumer expectation for Nintendo games to be on competing platforms. Remove any reason for people to invest in future Nintendo platforms.
SporeCrawler
Member
i dont really see nintendo making PS4 or Xbone games alongside 3DS games
i see them either dropping wiiu and focusing on 3DS while trying to make a next gen console or just riding the WiiU out by dropping its price drastically and trying to get more first party titles out (and the occasional moneyhatted third party game).
the latter one seems to be the more realistic one.
spookyfish
Gold Member
True. They seriously need to upgrade their digital account system.
Don't get me wrong - I'm not blindly defending Nintendo nor am I saying they have done nothing wrong. Personally, I like the Wii U controller. I think it's a unique differentiator in the market. But I completely understand those who do not like it.
My comment was for those saying they won't buy the U purely because "it has no games I want at all HOLYCRAP YES!! Put those on PS4 or Xbox One!!"
BibiMaghoo
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Would finally outsell Knack.
I would buy this game for PS4.
I would not buy a WiiU for this game.
Look upon my post Nintendo, and despair.
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The Everyman
Would finally outsell Knack.
this somehow makes the idea seem more plausible than ever.
SporeCrawler
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a fake boxart makes a ridiculous suggestion plausible?
spookyfish
Gold Member
I feel ya on the too much. I have two Triples that aren't connected because of the PS4. One of my TVs died, so I can't switch over.
Again, I'm only calling out those who say the ONLY reason they don't buy a U is because No GaMEzz! but then get all excited when some overpaid idiot spouts this nonsense.
ScriptedReality
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id play the new zelda and marios on my ps3 lol.
ShogunDarius
Member
well there is one advantage, nintendo games would be region free at last
GuitarAnthony
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I don't know it's as much as he's trolling us versus he seems to have an intense dislike of Nintendo for whatever reason. Did he try to get a job with them once and got turned down?
BibiMaghoo
Member
I guess the real question is, would Nintendo make more money on selling games to additional platforms, than they do on hardware.
I would imagine yes, however, they would no longer get licensing fee's from publishers that release on their platform -because they wouldn't have one - and that may make a huge difference, I don't know.
Don't want it to ever happen though, even if I do want some of their games on platforms I own.
I would imagine yes, however, they would no longer get licensing fee's from publishers that release on their platform -because they wouldn't have one - and that may make a huge difference, I don't know.
Don't want it to ever happen though, even if I do want some of their games on platforms I own.
H_Prestige
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There is nothing hypocritical about wanting to play a game but not wanting it enough to spend $300 on a new system for. A system which would then become a paperweight after said game has been played.
The answers to those questions are simple. They make no money selling Wii U hardware. They are sold at a loss. They also aren't giving up licensing revenue from third parties because most third parties aren't paying to be on their system. So no loss there.
By going third party they save all their expenses related to hardware R&D and manufacturing (which is a lot) and in return have to pay a 20% licensing fee for their software.
Acquiescence
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I like Pachter, but that is a pretty dense thing for him to say. As soon as people warm to the idea of playing Nintendo games on other systems, no matter how temporary, they'll have even less reason to buy a Nintendo system in the future.
"Oh, the Wii U 2? Ehh, I'll just wait until the exclusives it has appear on the PS5. It happened before!"
"Oh, the Wii U 2? Ehh, I'll just wait until the exclusives it has appear on the PS5. It happened before!"
jim-jam bongs
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Putting aside their performance relative to their competitors in the home console market, is their current situation really that dire? The 3ds is still doing well despite the smartphone revolution, what's the harm in just taking their foot off the accelerator and letting the Wii U die slowly while they work out the next move?
People keep saying this without any evidence to contradict him, or as to why Nintendo should stay in the hardware game from a business perspective.
I've read almost nothing from the "lol no" and "Pachter" trolling camps as to why he's actually wrong in this thread.
Major competitor?
You do know that all of this conversation is based on how badly the Wii U is doing right?
The Xbox One and PS4 EACH (not together) already sold more than the Wii U has all year. It's not a major competitor by any means.
I never said that. I said that it's almost impossible for Nintendo to be relevant in the home console space again. They are too far behind in multiple areas that people now find to be the norm on Xbox and Playstation consoles.
Lower prices isn't going to help the Wii U at all. The Wii U is already a low price. It's getting beaten by a console that's $200 more.
I don't want Nintendo to stop making systems altogether. The 3DS is a great system. They will do good making just handhelds. In terms of home consoles though, it would take a miracle for them to become relevant again for reasons I stated above. Bad selling home console means less games for that console. I wouldn't be surprised if some Wii U games get pushed just for game drought purposes.
As I said, I want Nintendo games to be relevant in the home console gaming space again and at this point, the only way I can see them becoming that way is via their home console games being multiplatform. I can't think of anything else at this point.
SporeCrawler
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Im not talking about one product but about a whole company. Yes their situation is bad now but they had a very successful product a few years back. Nintendo is not in such a bad situation that they will go bankrupt if the wiiu fails.
Going third party is a way they cannot easily back off from (especially due to trust issues from their userbase) and is just going to mean less competition.
So in summary: if the wiiu is a total failure so be it. Nintendo will not go bankrupt even if the wiiu fails and if they want to have success as a platform holder the next time they need to stay around. And frankly thats what i hope because i want more competition and not less.
1. Thereis no temporary leave. If they are out they are out. Who will invest in a 300$ machine if they think they can get the games on other platforms. Nintendos whole business model is first party games on a dedicated platform. That dedicated platform part does not work if there is a doubt wether they as the platform holder are truely dedicated. once they are on different platforms people will expect them to release on other platforms again.
2. So in other words this is a suggestion to be fully third party. Advantages and disadvantages have been discussed about this in the past 15 years or so. Its not a new discussion at all and mostly what people are saying is a. The demographic on playstation or xbox platforms are different then what nintendo makes and nintendo has no experience in making games those demographics typically buy.
b. Nintendo needs to pay license fees to MS and Sony .
I posted the picture on my twitter. Multiple people told me the exact same thing.
Pack it up Nintendo, Bgamer90's friends have spoken.
geordiemp
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He is a bit of a likeable guy that states strange things, but I do enjoy him even when he is talking rubbish (in my opinion).
He has put forward a suggestion which would probably make more money for Nintendo in next 2-3 years....Its bold but would probably work
but soil existing Nintendo hardcore fanbase so it will anger many ......going by the posts...
However, its more of a plan than anything I have yet seen from Nintendo in my opinion...
Not saying that at all. Just simply saying that his opinion isn't a rare one.
SporeCrawler
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Well at least people are acknowledging mario 3d world as a game worth their time. Even if its not worth their money.
I'm not talking about Nintendo as a whole company. They will be fine. The 3DS is doing great and they have a ton of money. I'm just talking about Nintendo when it comes to home console gaming.
SporeCrawler
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Why? Because mario is suddenly a better game because its on a different platform?
Well they need to support wiiu for the next few years no matter how bad it sells. Thats their obligation as a platformholder.
I wont blame them if they have a short generation and if they make few games per year. However they cant expect that anyone will trustthem as a platformholder (for consoles and handhelds for that matter) if they start releasing playstation and xbox games.
When the 4DS and the vita 2 arrives and vita 2 sells better. Who will trust nintendo to keep making 4ds games once they started supportimg other platforms.
Because it would mean I don't have to buy a dead console to play it.
They would finally reach a new audience. The wide ranges of ages that the PS4 and XB1 systems capture would finally be exposed to Nintendo games. A resurgence of interest and new players. One generation ofb3rd party Nintendo games would set them up for another generation of exclusives on their own system.
SporeCrawler
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How can you play games on a dead console?
They already did that a few years back on their own. It seems strange to suggest that they would need to risk their whole status as platform holder just to reach a new audience when they showed their ability to reach new audiences on their own.
I bought a Vita to play several of its best titles.
Should I have port begged for them to show up on the 3DS?
All those new players would go "WHAT THE FUCK NINTENDO! Now I have to pay you $300+ to play yours games when I didn't have to last generation? Fuck off!"
This is why it would fail.
Actually same for me..
Now i'm still not sure this would be a good thing..
My theory has always been that when a hardware maker can"t sell his consoles with its games anymore, the fault is in the games.
What that means is, even being third party, Nintendo will suffer (after a omg effect and big sales certainly) from the same fate if he doesn't solve its real problems, being that they make games in a conservative way, to endlessly keep going a shrinking fandome.
if tomorow they are third party. At first, they'll sell a ton of Mario on PS3/4/ios whatever, cause people will be so glad they can finally play it on something else. THEN, they'll continue to push it, like they did with New Mario Bros, until people are tired and used of it, then as right now, only hardcore Nitnendo fans will be buying those games.
So yeah, that Nintendo goes third party or not, it's the same problem. They have to really modernize there games in general, and try to aim beyond the nostalgia or fan thing. They have to wonder.. if we were a small indy dev, with no known brand and no fan base, how would we make an impact in today's videogame world..
H_Prestige
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Realize that a lot of people don't consider buying dead systems like the Vita and Wii U just to play a couple of games to be a wise use of money. Maybe you do and a few others and GAF. But that is not how most people think. That money could be used on a ps4 or xbone. Or an ipad. Or anything that will prove useful over the years and not become a paperweight after a month or two. That's why these systems continue on a downward spiral despite having more games now than they did at launch. Consumers can see the writing on the wall. They know when something is a dud.
u mad bro
SporeCrawler
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This is exactly why this whole thread is a farce.
people saying that they would buy a Mario 3D World on PS4 but not on WiiUare at the same time saying that they wont buy mario 3D World 2 on another dedicated Nintendo console a few years later.
This concept will only work if they go full on third party. nintendo is not in a financially dire situation where they need to consider going third party. They earned a lot of money due to them being a dedicated platform holder since the 1980s. Now its not working for as well for a few years and people expect that its a good idea to just abandon everything (temporarily)?
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