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PAL "don't mind" being last says Sony
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I talked to the staff of one of our big game store chains in Australia (we are in the euro pool in regards to consoles / games). And according to them (I state again, them. I can't confirm anything), "lots of people moved their PS3 preorders to Wii once they heard about the launch delay".
So yeah Sony, us 'euros' don't mind at all. Keep delaying that hardware.
So yeah Sony, us 'euros' don't mind at all. Keep delaying that hardware.
inpHilltr8r
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I think you'll find that's Europes fault, for not all speaking English. Or Konami's for actually caring about that.D-X said:
Rabid Wolverine
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Arrogant pricks.
On principle alone multiplatform games between ps3 and 360, im going 360.
**** Sony.
On principle alone multiplatform games between ps3 and 360, im going 360.
**** Sony.
TheGreatDave
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Most consumers don't mind. Hell, most barely knew there was a delay at all.
He's not talking to GAF here. The point is that it's not like you piss off Europeans to the point where they don't buy your product if you delay it for 4 months.
He's not talking to GAF here. The point is that it's not like you piss off Europeans to the point where they don't buy your product if you delay it for 4 months.
Open Source
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Europeans go to discos and men wear flared-leg pants in Europe. They're lucky their game playing technology is not as far behind as, say, their dental technology.
DreamMachine
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The PR guy is pretty much right.. EU will still buy it in droves. They'll take anything sony gives them..
fortified_concept
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So I don't mind, huh? Seriously someone at Sony should tell these PR morons to
While I'm certianly not an oracle nor do my expertise extend to analysis of the European market place, I'm struck by the 'Europe is Sonyland' and 'They will still buy it anyways' comments sprinkled in between the posts of faux indignation by posters who clearly already made up their mind about Sony.
So anyways, when did taking a market for granted pay off for anyone? Weren't the same sort of GAFFer saying Europe was Sonyland when talking about dividing up the market share for PSP and the DS? Where has that talk gone now when the facts are so clearly against this prediction.
I think what's the most offensive presumption in this thread is that consumers are dumb and the market is theirs for the takimg, by armchair analysts of all people (although I'm almost certain Sony still thinks they own the entire industry).
So anyways, when did taking a market for granted pay off for anyone? Weren't the same sort of GAFFer saying Europe was Sonyland when talking about dividing up the market share for PSP and the DS? Where has that talk gone now when the facts are so clearly against this prediction.
I think what's the most offensive presumption in this thread is that consumers are dumb and the market is theirs for the takimg, by armchair analysts of all people (although I'm almost certain Sony still thinks they own the entire industry).
Well, he isn't saying anything false...Most people here doesn't even know PS3 exists (if it wasn't because Sony screwed and put some ads on Champions League matches). The grand market will continue buying PS2 like hotcakes for at least 6 months.
Their business is still at PS2. So in short words, the big market doesn't care and they don't want them to care.
Their business is still at PS2. So in short words, the big market doesn't care and they don't want them to care.
Europe just canÂ’t seem to catch a break. Just look at this timeline.
WW1 --------> WW2 --------------------------> SonyÂ’s PS3 debacle.
N.B - Not to scale, and no I'm not trying to compare the PS3 to WW2.
But as mentioned, I'm really glad they went region free for games. I'll be importing all of mine from reputable sites like Play-Asia and whatnot.
WW1 --------> WW2 --------------------------> SonyÂ’s PS3 debacle.
N.B - Not to scale, and no I'm not trying to compare the PS3 to WW2.
But as mentioned, I'm really glad they went region free for games. I'll be importing all of mine from reputable sites like Play-Asia and whatnot.
Willy Wanka
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Well...that was an incredibly stupid thing to say.
Azelover
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ourumov said:
Uhm... I don't really agree. I can see where this guy is coming from but is it hard to see how this is not a rewarding line of thinking? It really makes me wonder what is going on with Sony right now, their communication seems a little strange. I think people who were anticipating the PS3(the early adopters) knew when it was coming out and therefore know about the delay, so I believe enough people care. I think it's a big deal that Sony's missing out on christmas this year, it doesn't necessarily mean it will change their marketshare in the long run but it certainly leaves the door open somewhat. Which is hardly something to be indifferent about.
Sure we buy just as many Playstations, but then we also resort to modchipping, importing, and generally being filthy pirates because nobody wants to wait 4 months just to get a shitty bordered, 50hz version of a game when people overseas are already playing its sequel.
Sony = arrogant, clueless dickheads as usual.
God I want a PS3...
Sony = arrogant, clueless dickheads as usual.
God I want a PS3...
TheGreatDave
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Fusebox said:Sure we buy just as many Playstations, but then we also resort to modchipping, importing, and generally being filthy pirates because nobody wants to wait 4 months just to get a shitty bordered, 50hz version of a game when people overseas are already playing its sequel.
Sony = arrogant, clueless dickheads as usual.
God I want a PS3...
The majority don't do that. This guy is absolutley right in saying that a 4 month delay will not harm the Playstation brand in Europe.
bengraven
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Europe doesn't care. I think it's the vocal minority of European gamers who are having the most problem with this. But most Americans have said they don't want a 360 and will choose a PS3 anyway, so this anti-Sony propaganda thrown out by the Xbots is going to backfire in the end.
Europe is used to waiting and they will wait. I've already talked to many European gamers and they're excited to have to wait. Because the next generation of games won't start until 2007 there.
Sony will win this round.
Europe is used to waiting and they will wait. I've already talked to many European gamers and they're excited to have to wait. Because the next generation of games won't start until 2007 there.
Sony will win this round.
No, seriously, Sony are arrogant ****s. I just wanted to prove that I CAN sound like Fox News if I try hard enough!
TheGreatDave
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Fusebox said:
I can concur on the taste of gamers here
Patrick Bateman
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WRONG!
I got my prepayment for the PS3 back when I heard it will come out in 2007 and so I bought a 360.
Lost customer: 1
and counting..
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Deleted member 1235
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Analogy time
Sony hands starving man loaf of mouldy bread, he eats it, quickly.
Sony rep: "SEE! SEE!?! HE LIKES IT"
up your ass sony. And you nintendo, stop shitting on PAL land already.
yours faithfully
an import gamer
Sony hands starving man loaf of mouldy bread, he eats it, quickly.
Sony rep: "SEE! SEE!?! HE LIKES IT"
up your ass sony. And you nintendo, stop shitting on PAL land already.
yours faithfully
an import gamer
Not to put a damper on the lovefest over such an insidious comment, but... did anyone else factor in that Sony's competitors are finally going against the grain and releasing their products in European territories in a seemingly expedited manner?
I mean, the PS2 had a major gap between US and EU launch... but get this, so did the other two consoles of that generation. Not to mention that PS2 still managed to have a heads-up on the competition. Nintendo was infinitely as notorious for not taking the European market seriously.
... but what's this? Nintendo releasing Wii across all major territories within a month of one another? MS releasing Xbox 360 with a (questionable) global launch strategy?
It's not that Europeans won't wait... but for the first time in that market's history, other companies are stepping up to the plate and giving them equitable treatment. You don't think that won't be recognized, or that gamers in the UK won't show their appreciation with their wallets?
There will be some who will wait... but there will be just as many who don't when there are other companies who don't treat them so archaically.
I mean, the PS2 had a major gap between US and EU launch... but get this, so did the other two consoles of that generation. Not to mention that PS2 still managed to have a heads-up on the competition. Nintendo was infinitely as notorious for not taking the European market seriously.
... but what's this? Nintendo releasing Wii across all major territories within a month of one another? MS releasing Xbox 360 with a (questionable) global launch strategy?
It's not that Europeans won't wait... but for the first time in that market's history, other companies are stepping up to the plate and giving them equitable treatment. You don't think that won't be recognized, or that gamers in the UK won't show their appreciation with their wallets?
There will be some who will wait... but there will be just as many who don't when there are other companies who don't treat them so archaically.
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Terrell said:
I guess I applaud nintendo, but they did it in the shitest fashion possible that almost amounted to a school yard prank. leaving euro gamers with redheaded stepchild syndrome again. I can download japanese/US porn on my internets, why cant I download japanese/US games?
Somebody show nintendo lik sangs bank statement or something
JonathanEx
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Fecking wankers.
MightyHedgehog
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:lol But their guys make it so easy to hate on them. Oh Sony.Amir0x said:
Arrogant or not, Sony are right
1. Only some hardcore gamers really anticipate new console launches all others just buy one when it is available
2. HDTV penetration is lowest in europe
3. PS2 launch was latest in europe and the PS2 cycle is already shorter in europe than in Japan.
4. BluRay is late and expensive in europe. It would be stupid to pit a 500/600 Euro DVD player against 1299/1499 Euro first gen standalone players
To lose a christmas season sure isnt great, but Microsoft still has to prove they can take advantage of that and not continue the sluggish sales of 360.
Arrogant probably and really disappointing for some hardcore gamers, but the best decision they could make. That doesnt mean they shouldnt compensate this by a pre-launch price drop
1. Only some hardcore gamers really anticipate new console launches all others just buy one when it is available
2. HDTV penetration is lowest in europe
3. PS2 launch was latest in europe and the PS2 cycle is already shorter in europe than in Japan.
4. BluRay is late and expensive in europe. It would be stupid to pit a 500/600 Euro DVD player against 1299/1499 Euro first gen standalone players
To lose a christmas season sure isnt great, but Microsoft still has to prove they can take advantage of that and not continue the sluggish sales of 360.
Arrogant probably and really disappointing for some hardcore gamers, but the best decision they could make. That doesnt mean they shouldnt compensate this by a pre-launch price drop
Terrell said:
Nintendo have a lot of ground to make up to me, they treated PAL users in the most shitty way possible last gen with games arriving months late or not at all. I will be very happy if that's changed, but it would take more than a world wide launch to make me forget...also I would rather have region free games than an early launch, when all is said and done.
Let's not be too harsh on Sony, after all, if they start treating us well, we may start to get used to it, and where would that sort of precendent lead?
Honestly with that sort of PR they would be better off with no PR at all. These talking heads need to realise their comments will reach places other than the focus group they might be appealing to at the time.
See, everyone except Sony said that there would be a supply snafu with the console. GAF did, analysts did, the press did... but not Sony. If it was that blatantly obvious, Sony could have easily planned ahead and had stock for Europe. The stock shortage is Sony's own fault, and they're taking their own pigheaded stupidity out on Europe.Yoboman said:
JonathanEx
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And there's a difference between saying "we had to delay the launch unfortunately" and "Europe don't mind being last so we can delay it as much as we want!"
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