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Palin's Father: She Left Hawaii Because Asians Made Her Uncomfortable

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ElectricBlue187 said:
I agree with Sarah. I came to Hawaii with an open mind, knowing almost nothing of Hawaiian culture or it's people. And I must say the 'hawaiian' locals are very abrasive, lazy and have an inflated sense of self importance and general douchebaggery. The aloha spirit is nowhere to be found. The 'asians' as in the Japanese and Koreans are everywhere In Waikiki but mostly keep to themselves so I don't see what her problem would be with them.
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In my 6 years of living here I never had a problem with locals. I really think it is a mindset that is different from the mainland. Moving to Hawaii from San Diego wasn't shocking because being a black guy in either place already makes you a minority. If you are a "haole" coming from the south or midwest states and are used to being around other white people, I can see it being uncomfortable. If you do come to O'ahu, don't go to Waianae unless you have a reason, it is almost universally detested as the ghetto of O'ahu.
 
Sho_Nuff82 said:
To be fair to Mrs. Palin, most white people in America would be terribly uncomfortable spending a semester at U Hawaii, Howard, or Hampton...being a minority for the first time in your life is never easy, and until you've experienced it you shouldn't put too much weight on the frivoloty of an 18 yo.
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I was technically a minority in my high school. Not by a large margin, but enough so that there were a ton of jokes about my predominantly Asian high school. She's just a bigot.
 
I wonder if the thought of seeing him naked makes Sarah Palin excited or uncomfortable:

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:lol :lol :lol @ all the white people in this thread with negative attitudes toward the locals.

I spent 8 years in Hawaii and I'm a Wonder Bread Whitey - there's no mistaking my ethnicity. Almost every time I had a negative experience with a local, it was due to MY cultural ignorance, attitude, or actions. Hawaii is very much like a looking glass... If you're a dick, people are going to be a dick right back to you. Running into this thread and proclaiming what assholes Hawaiians or locals are is basically like telling everyone you're an asshole.

I went to a high school where you could get suspended for wearing baggy jeans, but a Cowboy Up shirt with a Confederate flag was completely acceptable. Hawaii was a HUGE culture shock when I got there, but I quickly realized that if I stopped being a douchebag that the locals were some of the coolest, kindest, most generous people I've ever met.
 
I've only been to HI a handful of times, and only once with the intention of moving there to stay (which unfortunately didn't pan out), but I ran into no problems. I wasn't implying that anyone went there like "DURR SHAKA BRA LET'S EAT COCONUTS" or something, but as was mentioned earlier in the thread, there is definitely a different mindset and approach to life on HI as compared to anywhere else I've been. I think it takes a certain type of person to integrate there with no problems. :shrug
 
My cousin works out there, she left right out of college. She doesn't have a racist bone in her body. She loves most of the native Hawaiians she works with (you always have a few people in any office you can't stand) but she's had some really crappy experiences with some islanders that she didn't know, and are basically the Hawaiian equivalent of rednecks. Her coworkers have told her not to go some places with them because they couldn't say she'd be safe, even with them.

She says things are better on the big island, where she lives, where the people are a little more cosmopolitan, compared to Maui, where she used to live. But sometimes weird stuff happens, where complete strangers dump on her for no reason other than she's white, blond, or originally from the mainland.

She's had more than a few situations where she's been compelled to prove she's lived there a while by showing her driver's license to people or whatever, but that still doesn't stop some stupid racist native islanders from calling her a "haole bitch" and telling her to fuck off. Seriously, that's shouldn't happen to anybody, anywhere. She just brushes it off though. She's a strong-willed person.

It really wouldn't surprise me if things were worse back in the day when Palin was young, if that kind of stuff is still going on today. Attitudes are changing generation-to-generation, but progress is probably slowed by the fact that most white parents send their kids to private schools to avoid them getting beat up, so kids aren't as integrated early on as they could be. And from what she says, things are just as bad, if not worse for her black friend...she gets called a haole as well, plus a lot of other stuff.
 
If this was about a Democrat, you'd all certainly need more evidence before calling the person a bigot. She's not allowed to change schools if she wants to? I'd imagine going from Alaska to Hawaii might be a difficult transition.

Personally I don't give a shit about Palin one way or another. However because of stuff like this, I seem to always find myself defending her.
 
XCell9200 said:
Personally I don't give a shit about Palin one way or another. However because of stuff like this, I seem to always find myself defending her.
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Personally, I despise the clueless beauty queen, and don't understand why the media still gives her any coverage, but I can understand what her old man is talking about here, if it's true.
 
Isn't Alaska loaded with First Nations folk? So, I mean... she'd be surrounded by them there, too. Methinks this is a bit of a stretch.
 
XCell9200 said:
If this was about a Democrat, you'd all certainly need more evidence before calling the person a bigot. She's not allowed to change schools if she wants to? I'd imagine going from Alaska to Hawaii might be a difficult transition.

Personally I don't give a shit about Palin one way or another. However because of stuff like this, I seem to always find myself defending her.
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We can all agree (D) Obama hates white people.

Continue with the Palin remarks people!
 
XCell9200 said:
If this was about a Democrat, you'd all certainly need more evidence before calling the person a bigot. She's not allowed to change schools if she wants to? I'd imagine going from Alaska to Hawaii might be a difficult transition.

Personally I don't give a shit about Palin one way or another. However because of stuff like this, I seem to always find myself defending her.
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She's not a republican either. She's a shallow opportunistic POS.
 
quadriplegicjon said:
:lol i'm not racist, i have a black friend!
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bong bong

What i learned from this thread. White people go to hawaii and get treated like black people in the US. Intriguing.
 
This thread got me Googling, and I came across this, from the Southern Poverty Law Center, a civil rights group that conducts surveys of racial attitudes across the US:

http://www.splcenter.org/intel/intelreport/article.jsp?aid=1081

Some of the stuff in the report is chilling. A lot worse than anything my cousin has told me about.

Celia Padron went on a Hawaiian vacation last year, lured by the prospect of beautiful beaches and friendly people. She, her husband and two teenage daughters enjoyed the black sand beach at Makena State Park on Maui. But a Hawaiian girl accosted her two teenage daughters, saying, "Go back to the mainland" and "Take your white ass off our beaches," says Padron, a pediatric gastroenterologist in New Jersey.

When her husband, 68 at the time, stepped between the girls, three young Hawaiian men slammed him against a vehicle, cutting his ear, and choked and punched him, Padron says. Police officers persuaded the Padrons not to press charges, saying it would be expensive for them to return for court appearances and a Hawaiian judge would side with the Hawaiian assailants, the doctor contends.

"There is no doubt in my mind [the attack] was racially motivated," she adds.

With no known hate groups and a much-trumpeted spirit of aloha or tolerance, few people outside Hawaii realize the state has a racism issue. One reason: The tourism-dependent state barely acknowledges hate crimes. That makes it hard to know how often racial violence is directed at Caucasians, who comprise about 25% of the ethnically diverse state's 1.3 million residents. Those who identify themselves as Native Hawaiian — most residents are of mixed race — account for nearly 20%.

Hawaii has collected hate crimes data since 2002 (most states began doing so a decade earlier). In the first six years, the state reported only 12 hate crimes, and half of those were in 2006. (All other things being equal, the state would be expected to have more than 800 such crimes annually, given the size of its population, according to a federal government study of hate crimes.) There was anti-white bias in eight of those incidents. But that doesn't begin to reflect the extent of racial rancor directed at non-Native Hawaiians in the Aloha State, especially in schools. For example:

-The last day of school has long been unofficially designated "Beat Haole Day," with white students singled out for harassment and violence. (Haole — pronounced how-lee — is slang for a foreigner, usually white, and sometimes is used as a racial slur.)

-A non-Native Hawaiian student who challenged the Hawaiian-preference admission policy at a wealthy private school received a $7 million settlement this year.

-A 12-year-old white girl new to Hawaii from New York City needed 10 surgical staples to close a gash in her head incurred when she was beaten in 2007 by a Native Hawaiian girl who called her a "fucking haole."

-A vocal segment of Native Hawaiians is pushing for independence to end the "prolonged occupation" by the United States and governance by natives.

-Demonstrators shouting racial epithets at whites disrupted a statehood celebration in 2006.​

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Classroom Warfare
Tina Mohr has lived in Hawaii for 25 years. She has Native Hawaiian friends. But in the 2003-04 school year, her twin blond-haired daughters, aged 11 at the time, began getting harassed by Native Hawaiian kids at their school on the Big Island. "Our daughters would come home with bruises and cuts," she tells the Intelligence Report.

One of her girls was assaulted twice in the same day. In one scuffle, she had her head slammed into a wall, and her attacker continued to threaten her. Her daughter suffered a dislocated jaw and had headaches for five weeks, Mohr says.

The torment continued in the summer between 5th and 6th grades. Native Hawaiian girls stalked and threatened her daughters and yelled "fucking haole" at them. Midway through the 6th grade, Mohr began to home-school her daughters.

She filed a complaint with the civil rights division of the U.S. Department of Education in 2004. It was only recently, on Dec. 31, 2008, that the division finally released its report. The report concluded there was "substantial evidence that students experienced racially and sexually derogatory name-calling on nearly a daily basis on school buses, at school bus stops, in school hallways and other areas of the school" that Mohr's children attended.

The epithets included names such as "f*****g haole," "haole c**t" and "haole whore," according to the report. Students were told "go home" and "you don't belong here." Most of the slurs were directed by "local" or non-white students at Caucasians, especially those who were younger, smaller, light-skinned and blond.

The report also concluded that school officials responded inadequately or not at all when students complained of racial harassment. Students who did complain were retaliated against by their antagonists. "They learned not to report this stuff," Mohr says of her own daughters.

The Hawaii Department of Education settled Mohr's complaint with a lengthy agreement in which educators promised to take various steps to improve the reporting, investigating and eliminating of student harassment in the future. Today, Mohr's daughters are again attending the school where they used to have trouble. They haven't been assaulted, but one was threatened on a school bus earlier this year.

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'A Hateful Place'
A violent incident with racial overtones in 2007 near Pearl Harbor prompted a good deal of soul searching about race in Hawaii. A Native Hawaiian man and his teenage son brutally pummeled and kicked a Caucasian soldier and his wife near Pearl Harbor after the soldier's SUV struck the other man's parked car. The son shouted "fucking haole" while attacking the soldier. The husband and wife suffered broken noses, facial fractures and concussions. A prosecutor said the assault was a road-rage incident, not a hate crime. But it generated much debate on newspaper websites and blogs about the use of the word haole and whether whites are the targets of racism in Hawaii.

"It is a hateful place to live if you are white," wrote a woman on one Hawaii website's comments section. A Hawaii native who is white wrote, "Racism exists in Hawaii. My whole life I've never really felt welcome here." A sailor stationed at Pearl Harbor added that "this island is the most racist place I have ever been in my life."

Other white residents, however, wrote that they had had no such experiences. And many people maintained that arrogant mainlanders are the most likely to incur natives' wrath. It's their "cultural inability to be humble [that] is a huge contributing factor in a lot of violence against them," one person wrote. "There is a high degree of arrogance and lack of respect that mainlanders exhibit," added another.

A Hawaiian Studies professor at the University of Hawaii, Haunani-Kay Trask, is one of the most caustic critics of whites in the islands. In her 1999 book, From A Native Daughter, Trask wrote: "Just as … all exploited peoples are justified in feeling hostile and resentful toward those who exploit them, so we Hawaiians are justified in such feelings toward the haole. This is the legacy of racism, of colonialism."

In a poem titled, "Racist White Woman," Trask wrote: "I could kick/Your face, puncture/Both eyes./You deserve this kind/Of violence./No more vicious/Tongues, obscene/Lies./Just a knife/Slitting your tight/Little heart."

Trask's opposite number is Conklin, the "anti-sovereignty" white activist who has lived on Oahu for 17 years and says he loves Hawaii's culture, spirituality and history, but is labeled a racist by some of his detractors. He wrote a book entitled Hawaiian Apartheid: Racial Separatism and Ethnic Nationalism in the Aloha State.

"Here in Hawaii, there is no compulsion to speak out on racist attacks. There are all these hate crimes and violent things happening to white people and you don't hear sovereignty activists speaking out against it," says Conklin, who manages a massive website on Hawaiian issues. "The violence has been going on for years and it's always been hush-hush."
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Seriously, from her writings and quotes, this Trask woman is disgusting. I can't believe a major University in the US has her on the payroll. That'd be like offering David Duke or Bill White a professorship.
 
MThanded said:
bong bong

What i learned from this thread. White people go to hawaii and get treated like black people in the US. Intriguing.
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Hawaii is a Nation though, so they have more right to be xenophobic, since we're the xenos. As opposed to the States, where everyone 'cept the Natives are 'alien,' but the Haole thing, while it happens, only happens in some places. And as others have said, depends what Island - Big, Lanai and Kauai, almost never. Oahu and Maui, sure. Molokai, for reals. People are dicks there but it's sort of charming.
 
Commodore_Perry said:
I went to a high school where you could get suspended for wearing baggy jeans, but a Cowboy Up shirt with a Confederate flag was completely acceptable. Hawaii was a HUGE culture shock when I got there, but I quickly realized that if I stopped being a douchebag that the locals were some of the coolest, kindest, most generous people I've ever met.
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How is wearing a confederate shirt at all grounds for punishment?
 
This news makes me like Hawaii even more. It's nice to see a place where the white people aren't walking around like they own the joint.
 
Tamanon said:
If we all stop talking about her, she'll have no reason to be in the headlines.
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I've tried saying this, but it don't work for anyone this idiotic. It's like FoxNews, EVERYONE who watches it watches it to get angry, and only for that.
 
Pristine_Condition said:
This thread got me Googling, and I came across this, from the Southern Poverty Law Center, a civil rights group that conducts surveys of racial attitudes across the US:

http://www.splcenter.org/intel/intelreport/article.jsp?aid=1081

Some of the stuff in the report is chilling. A lot worse than anything my cousin has told me about.



Seriously, from her writings and quotes, this Trask woman is disgusting. I can't believe a major University in the US has her on the payroll. That'd be like offering David Duke or Bill White a professorship.
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That's fucking nuts.
 
How the hell would asians make her uncomfortable? I mean look at this?! I've got nothing but comfortable feelings right now.

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mac said:
This news makes me like Hawaii even more. It's nice to see a place where the white people aren't walking around like they own the joint.
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Yeah man, hate crimes are great as long as they're happening to the right people.

Please tell me this was a joke post
 
quadriplegicjon said:
yup:


Sarah Palin's hostile record on Tribal issues in Alaska


http://indiancountrynews.net/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=4505&Itemid=1


:lol there is tons of stuff if you google.. mostly rumors though
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I can understand trying to get back some marine water for commercial fishing - but trying to take their subsistence game rights in favor of sporting game rights seems laughable. Even sports shooters and game hunters understand that subsistence needs to take priority. Perhaps especially those folks.
 
mac said:
This news makes me like Hawaii even more. It's nice to see a place where the white people aren't walking around like they own the joint.
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Yeah, it's great to bash people for the colour of their skin...
 
Locals in Hawaii are kinda dicks. But not dicks in the sense of outrightly hostile, but, I think more territorial.

I mean, if you look at it Hawaiian Locals are the Pacific version of Guidos on the Jersey Shore.

They just don't like outsiders, and it goes across the board. I'd be annoyed if all sorts of people came into my backyard and geegawed like a bunch of r-word.orgs. Of course, on the other hand, maybe they should take a good look at how their local economy works and STFU.

I'm big for an Asian. I played college football, so big. And basically, when I went to Hawaii to visit cousins, until my tan kicked it, I got sorta singled out and everyone knew I was a katonk, mainland Asian. (origin is tied to the internment and all-Japanese infantry regiments)

And even with the tan, as long as I kept my mouth shut and didn't give away my origins, it was still weird. I will admit, out at the bars, got into a confrontation with a fellow tourist, a white guy, and immediately, the locals looked and him, then me, and decided to beat the white guy up.

Fucked up? Absolutely. But, I'm guessing there are white parts of America where the locals would have taken one look at me, and the other guy, and I would have gotten my ass kicked.

I think white people complain because they have this sense of entitlement that where ever in the US they go, they are kinda in charge. Except Hawaii. And Hawaii in its pleasant density, the locals have too much pride to put up with that kind of shit. To be honest, if I was confronted with an entitled attitude, and I looked around and did the math on Asian Pacific Islanders versus Caucasians, I might act like a dick too.

What I;m really trying to say, is I think all Americans act like dicks to each other, Hawaii is just a place where the tables are turned. Unless you're black, and then you're treated badly everywhere.
 
ChiTownBuffalo said:
I mean, if you look at it Hawaiian Locals are the Pacific version of Guidos on the Jersey Shore.
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You have no idea what you are talking about, the Guidos on the Jersey Shore aren't even from New Jersey.
 
I suppose you're right. I don't know about guidos, because I am not in the hair gel, orange spray tan, gold chain, Affliction/Ed Hardy t shirt business.

Where are they from? So I can never go there.
 
As a University of Idaho student myself, I can proudly say that most of my fellow classmates seem to be ashamed that Palin graduated from here.
 
jamesinclair said:
I didnt stop there, but one of my favorite beaches was right past us. There were like 10 people total, us (3) and some locals



http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&sou...50135,-158.2425&spn=0.010458,0.01929&t=h&z=16
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That's so far up I don't think anyone would bother you, but to get up that far traffic had to be decent otherwise you guys would have turned back real fast.

I find it funny reading these stories about people because I have not seen it. I don't know what I'm doing but they don't pick on me. My only altercation was on a bus going to LCC and it had something to do with a seat (and that the fucker was from Waianae), but other than that no problems. It is also worth noting that I can pass for skinny Pacific Islander due to being half black.
 
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