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[XHitoshuraX]

Good news for gamers. And if you don't realize how and why within a second, then you have shown your true colors shining through.

And how many HD-DVD games are there out now?

Hmmm.

 

[Midas]

Why is it bad news then? Except for fanboys and the Blu Ray group?

Many people answered your question for me. Like I said earlier, I'm just happy I haven't even begun building myself a HD library yet. Because of this, unfortunately, I won't start doing that in a long long time. Now I need to get a great upscaling DVD player.

 

[HomerSimpson-Man]

Well this needlessly held up this pointless format war for another good strong year.

Go **** yourself Hollywood.

 

[wasting]

Okay, Spielberg hasn't made any kind of public statements to that effect that he supports only Blu-ray. But why then isn't Universal able to release any of his films on HD-DVD? Why then does this deal with Paramount and DreamWorks NOT include Spielberg titles? Because Spielberg wouldn't allow it is the only thing that makes any sense.

:lol :lol keeps getting better and better

 

[Forsete]

Now I need to get a great upscaling DVD player.

Du har redan en PS3..

 

[Oni Jazar]

I'm not sure Warner is going neutral. They invested quite a bit on their TotalHD media which is now looking to be a very good investment for them since the format war is here to stay.

 

[polyh3dron]

The plot thickens:

Fox Set to Renew Blu-ray Commitment - Press Release Imminent

 

[The Elite]

The plot thickens:

Fox Set to Renew Blu-ray Commitment - Press Release Imminent

LOLz imminent.

 

[Maxwell House]

People who are mad about this news need to realize that less than .1% of DVD player owners have made a switch to either HD Format. Sure BR might be outselling HD-DVD 2:1 but its 2:1 of a VERY SMALL SEGMENT. The war hasn't even frigging started and the studios know that.

Blu-Ray wasn't CLOSE to ending this thing. Look at BR and HD-DVD movie sales compared to DVD sales. They aren't even blips on the radar. One outselling the other 2:1 is really trivial at this point. When either encroaches on DVD, than it might matter. The simple fact is the next gen home video market hasn't been scratched yet. 99.9% of the potential buyers haven't chosen either format.

 

[Midas]

Du har redan en PS3..

Is it really good at that? I read something about it not being that good handling upscaling.

 

[AstroLad]

And how many HD-DVD games are there out now?

Hmmm.

Several.

 

[godhandiscen]

HD-DVD comeback? You SOB, why wont you die?

 

[Kintaro]

People who are mad about this news need to realize that less than .1% of DVD player owners have made a switch to either HD Format. Sure BR might be outselling HD-DVD 2:1 but its 2:1 of a VERY SMALL SEGMENT. The war hasn't even frigging started and the studios know that.

Blu-Ray wasn't CLOSE to ending this thing. Look at BR and HD-DVD movie sales compared to DVD sales. They aren't even blips on the radar. One outselling the other 2:1 is really trivial at this point. When either encroaches on DVD, than it might matter. The simple fact is the next gen home video market hasn't been scratched yet. 99.9% of the potential buyers haven't chosen either format.

This has nothing to do with DVD at this moment in time.

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[NekoFever]

I thought Warner was already HD-DVD exclusive. Did the Matrix box come on Blu-Ray?

Not exclusive, just preferential. Big movies like Batman Begins, Harry Potter and The Matrix are only out on HD DVD, and with 300 the HD DVD was the superior version.

 

[LJ11]

People who are mad about this news need to realize that less than .1% of DVD player owners have made a switch to either HD Format. Sure BR might be outselling HD-DVD 2:1 but its 2:1 of a VERY SMALL SEGMENT. The war hasn't even frigging started and the studios know that.

Blu-Ray wasn't CLOSE to ending this thing...not when DVDs are still the dominant format.

We want one fucking format, just one HD format. Most in this thread really don't give a shit about HD media overtaking DVD's, they just want a single HD format that can offer up all the movies they want. This move prolongs it, muddies the waters even further, and keeps people from adopting. Paramount was exclusive, went neutral and is back to being exclusive. We're almost back where we started.

 

[Laurent]

Okay, Spielberg hasn't made any kind of public statements to that effect that he supports only Blu-ray. But why then isn't Universal able to release any of his films on HD-DVD? Why then does this deal with Paramount and DreamWorks NOT include Spielberg titles? Because Spielberg wouldn't allow it is the only thing that makes any sense.

Wasn't Spielberg late in the DVD format as well? Maybe he doesn't care that much about High Definition for home entertainment...

 

[twinturbo2]

Sony and co. need to start doing some major moneyhats here.

But they don't pay for exclusives!

Spoiler

Or is that just for PS3 games?

 

[Elios83]

It's a really poor and shortsighted business decision.
While they obviously received a big money hat they're throwing away the investements they made to support Blu Ray until now and most of all they do nothing to put an end to the format war and this is not in their interest, a longer transition to the HD era only means financial damage to movie majors like Paramount.
And this is the only thing they will obtain because BR will continue to outsell HD-DVD while Paramount will lose their BR customers.
BTW it will be interesting to read the comments from all the parts involved ( BD camp included) in the next few days.

 

[Lord Error]

Blu-Ray wasn't CLOSE to ending this thing. Look at BR and HD-DVD movie sales compared to DVD sales. They aren't even blips on the radar. One outselling the other 2:1 is really trivial at this point. When either encroaches on DVD, than it might matter. The simple fact is the next gen home video market hasn't been scratched yet. 99.9% of the potential buyers haven't chosen either format.

I don't think HD movie sales are *that* bad. Didn't 300 sell 250K copies in the same time it took it's DVD to sell 5M? That's a big difference, but not .1% like you're saying.

Wasn't Spielberg late in the DVD format as well? Maybe he doesn't care that much about High Definition for home entertainment...

Maybe. But I think the "he likes BR" comments are fueled by him OK-ing a release of "Close Encounters" on BD later this year.

 

[BenjaminBirdie]

This has nothing to do with DVD at this moment in time.

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Man this is so much like the System Warz it's not even funny. "HEY leave the Wii outta this!"

 

[Crayon Shinchan]

People who bought into a new format this early in its life I wouldnt consider "sane" to begin with, myself included.

Yes, well, all things been relative, the ones that wish for a single unified format are more sane.

 

[sgt]

FUCK HD-DVD

 

[AltogetherAndrews]

So if the HD DVD group and MS buy all the studio support and HD DVD wins everyone would be ok with it because the war would be over?

The "war" won't be over unless the PS3 goes away. And with future price drops and greater game library in addition to a growing BR library (including support from Sony's own slice of the movie production and distribution market) making that system more attractive, that won't happen. So we're looking at a format war until HD-DVD goes bye bye.

 

[DenogginizerOS]

Ugh. I guess this means no Indiana Jones on Blu Ray now.

*orders DVD version from Amazon*

 

[LJ11]

Man this is so much like the System Warz it's not even funny. "HEY leave the Wii outta this!"

Do you not want 360 games now that it's being outsold by the Wii?

 

[xBigDanx]

We want one fucking format, just one HD format. Most in this thread really don't give a shit about HD media overtaking DVD's, they just want a single HD format that can offer up all the movies they want. This move prolongs it, muddies the waters even further, and keeps people from adopting. Paramount was exclusive, went neutral and is back to beginning exclusive. We're almost back where we started.

I don't think his point was that HD formats haven't overtaken DVD. I think it was that the percentage of adoptors is so small in comparison, that the battle isn't even close to starting.

Say, hypothetically, that .1% of movie buyers is 10,000. At 3:1, Bluray would have 7500 people to 2500 to HD. Not very many. Now if HD formats has 10% penetration, you'd have 750,000 Blu ray to 250,000 HD - a much larger lead.

Until adoption picks up, the format wars will remain.

 

[cvxfreak]

Ugh. I guess this means no Indiana Jones on Blu Ray now.

*orders DVD version from Amazon*

I think this kind of mentality was factored into Paramount's decision to take the moneyhat. If they lose Blu-Ray customers, they'll either sell more DVDs or more HD-DVDs. Win-win situation.

 

[Razoric]

FUCK HD-DVD

Tastes good. :lol

 

[godhandiscen]

The "war" won't be over unless the PS3 goes away. And with future price drops and greater game library in addition to a growing BR library (including support from Sony's own slice of the movie production and distribution market) making that system more attractive, that won't happen. So we're looking at a format war until HD-DVD goes bye bye.

I am all over BluRay too. I am mad about this, but lets not jump the gun. Just because Sony doesn't want to back up that doesn't mean the other companies should.

 

[Laurent]

Maybe. But I think the "he likes BR" comments are fueled by him OK-ing a release of "Close Encounters" on BD later this year.

It's distributed by Columbia Pictures anyway...

 

[AltogetherAndrews]

I don't think his point was that HD formats haven't overtaken DVD. I think it was that the percentage of adoptors is so small in comparison, that the battle isn't even close to starting.

Say, hypothetically, that .1% of movie buyers is 10,000. At 3:1, Bluray would have 7500 people to 2500 to HD. Not very many. Now if HD formats has 10% penetration, you'd have 750,000 Blu ray to 250,000 HD - a much larger lead.

Until adoption picks up, the format wars will remain.

Adoption will pick up for Blu-Ray once the PS3 picks up in sales, but this continuing format war sure as hell is not going to aid in making the general public feel safe in "jumping in" on either format.

 

[jetjevons]

I'm sure it's been said before in this thread but I don't think MS care that much about HD-DVDs success. It's more about Bluray's failure, or more specifically, the failure of any form of "hard" HD media.

Having said that I may seriously consider an HD-DVD add on for my 360 now. Too many great movies in the Paramount/Dreamworks library.

 

[VictimOfGrief]

We want one fucking format, just one HD format. Most in this thread really don't give a shit about HD media overtaking DVD's, they just want a single HD format that can offer up all the movies they want. This move prolongs it, muddies the waters even further, and keeps people from adopting. Paramount was exclusive, went neutral and is back to beginning exclusive. We're almost back where we started.

Blame both since niether one wanted to give up in the pissing match.

 

[AltogetherAndrews]

I am all over BluRay too. I am mad about this, but lets not jump the gun. Just because Sony doesn't want to back up that doesn't mean the other companies should.

True, but one format will not go anywhere. It will remain, by default, for as long as the Playstation 3 is in circulation, and said system is not going to decrease in sales from getting a gaming library and a more mass market friendly price. So logically, if one is to go, it'd have to be the one that is not tied to another product.

 

[LJ11]

I don't think his point was that HD formats haven't overtaken DVD. I think it was that the percentage of adoptors is so small in comparison, that the battle isn't even close to starting.

Say, hypothetically, that .1% of movie buyers is 10,000. At 3:1, Bluray would have 7500 people to 2500 to HD. Not very many. Now if HD formats has 10% penetration, you'd have 750,000 Blu ray to 250,000 HD - a much larger lead.

Until adoption picks up, the format wars will remain.

I replied before his edit, so my main beef was with this comment:

Blu-Ray wasn't CLOSE to ending this thing. Look at BR and HD-DVD movie sales compared to DVD sales.

He added in the rest, which I can't disagree with, but it wasn't in his OP.

 

[Forgotten Ancient]

The "war" won't be over unless the PS3 goes away. And with future price drops and greater game library in addition to a growing BR library (including support from Sony's own slice of the movie production and distribution market) making that system more attractive, that won't happen. So we're looking at a format war until HD-DVD goes bye bye.

Or...the PS3 goes bye bye.

I'm not saying I want that to happen, but people were getting too sure of the PS3 and Blu-Ray dominance. PS3 failed to meet that expectation...and it may have taken Blu-Ray with it.

 

[Midas]

Blame both since niether one wanted to give up in the pissing match.

Both of them could've ended it before it even started if they just had picked on of their technologies, but I guess there were too much money invested for either of them to ditch everything.

 

[Kintaro]

Man this is so much like the System Warz it's not even funny. "HEY leave the Wii outta this!"

Yes, complete with posts like yours adding nothing.

DVD has nothing to do with this dicussion. We're discussing HD formats. This decision pushes back one format winning once again, which is something we all want. Once one format is decided, THEN bringing DVD. Common sense people. Damned nimrods.

 

[AstroLad]

Blame both since niether one wanted to give up in the pissing match.

It has to be reiterated that there's a lot more at stake here than who wins the laserdisc/hd market.

 

[Crayon Shinchan]

I don't think his point was that HD formats haven't overtaken DVD. I think it was that the percentage of adoptors is so small in comparison, that the battle isn't even close to starting.

Say, hypothetically, that .1% of movie buyers is 10,000. At 3:1, Bluray would have 7500 people to 2500 to HD. Not very many. Now if HD formats has 10% penetration, you'd have 750,000 Blu ray to 250,000 HD - a much larger lead.

Until adoption picks up, the format wars will remain.

Man, your numbers blow. There are 4 million+ BD players out there world wide.

Ok, so most of those aren't used as HD media players... but given that HD-DVD has some 350k players out there, it's safe to say that at least 650k of those PS3s are bought to be used as a BD (not necessarily exclusively) player, given the weekly sales proportions of BD:HDDVD.

 

[BobLoblaw]

FUCK HD-DVD

Congrats on contributing absolutely nothing to this thread.

 

[PleoMax]

True, but one format will not go anywhere. It will remain, by default, for as long as the Playstation 3 is in circulation, and said system is not going to decrease in sales from getting a gaming library and a more mass market friendly price. So logically, if one is to go, it'd have to be the one that is not tied to another product.

It can easily become the next UMD.

Don't see the problem here. But i understand you. :lol

 

[Crayon Shinchan]

It has to be reiterated that there's a lot more at stake here than who wins the laserdisc/hd market.

I think in part, Paramount is hoping BD will money hat them right back.

 

[Amir0x]

damn it every day we got closer to destroying this inferior technology, and then it comes back.

I think this will truly be the final straw that makes both sides ultimately losers forever, and a new format will take the crown as these two formats fail to make any significant foothold vs. DVD in the coming years.

 

[xBigDanx]

Man, your numbers blow. There are 4 million+ BD players out there world wide.

Ok, so most of those aren't used as HD media players... but given that HD-DVD has some 350k players out there, it's safe to say that at least 650k of those PS3s are bought to be used as a BD (not necessarily exclusively) player, given the weekly sales proportions of BD:HDDVD.

hy·po·thet·i·cal (hī'pə-thĕt'ĭ-kəl) pronunciation also hy·po·thet·ic (-thĕt'ĭk)
adj.

1. Of, relating to, or based on a hypothesis: a hypothetical situation. See synonyms at theoretical.
2.
1. Suppositional; uncertain. See synonyms at supposed.
2. Conditional; contingent.

n.

 

[Metalmurphy]

It can easily become the next UMD.

Don't see the problem here. But i understand you. :lol

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Seriously? You don't?

 

[tanod]

Fuck their manufacturing costs. This is bad for consumers. Let HD-DVD die FFS.

 

[AltogetherAndrews]

damn it every day we got closer to destroying this inferior technology, and then it comes back.

I think this will truly be the final straw that makes both sides ultimately losers forever, and a new format will take the crown as these two formats fail to make any significant foothold vs. DVD in the coming years.

The conspiracy nut in me feels that this, making the formats fail, is part of the sinister plan.

 

[tha_con]

This is stupid. Why would they jump ship? "Hi, let's continue a format war and reduce our earnings by generating consumer confusion".

If the fucktards would have been smart, they would have gone exclusive to the format with the most support to begin with, rather than attempting to tip the scales yet again, and keep the war going on LONGER than it already was going to.

Now we have to deal with MORE consumers who will be confused and hold off until there is a 'winner' becuase the industry is full of fucking idiots.

I seriously cannot understand why these old morons who sit in CEO positions pull stupid shit like this. It's ridiculous.

 

[PleoMax]

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Seriously? You don't?

If blu Ray becomes the next UMD? No i don't see a problem here, i mean seriously what kind of problem does that present?

I can't think of one.