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ConradCervantes said:
Goddamn neo-hippies. Using your innocent kids to prove some point about societal norms is ridiculous.
Letting kids decide things for themselves is "using" them?
 
Fusebox said:
That seems to be the motivation here. To bypass the typical genre-defining period when the boy is given their guns/cowboy hat/cars and the girls are given their tiaras, fairy wings and toy ovens and to let them decide for themselves.

But why can't you be a boy and enjoy your tiaras and fairy wings or be a girl and enjoy your cowboy whatnot? Just because you're given a gender shouldn't limit you one way or the other. It's just a bit silly is all.
 
Let me guess...

Storm is a hermaphrodite and the parents don't want to tell anyone because they're afraid of how they'll react to the news.
 
Weenerz said:
From the education to the names, they sound like horrible parents. Naming your children Storm, Jazz and Kio? REALLY?

The children will end up suffering for decisions made by these nutjob parents, wtf is a Kio.
 
CHEEZMO™ said:
Also, wtf at those names.
I dunno, I think "Storm" is pretty badass.
AbsoluteZero said:
But why can't you be a boy and enjoy your tiaras and fairy wings or be a girl and enjoy your cowboy whatnot? Just because you're given a gender shouldn't limit you one way or the other. It's just a bit silly is all.
While I agree that it's a bit silly, the point is that "boy who likes fairy wings" and "girl who likes cowboy hats" carry with them a certain stigma, and they really shouldn't. By not telling people the child's sex, at least for a while, they're trying to drive home that point.
BloodySinner said:
Let me guess...

Storm is a hermaphrodite and the parents don't want to tell anyone because they're afraid of how they'll react to the news.
That's pretty insensitive, friendo.
 
Orayn said:
Letting kids decide things for themselves is "using" them?

[devils advocate]
I don't think its fair to let children decide important things like how society at large will percieve them for the rest of their lives on their own
[/devils advocate]
 
Orayn said:
Letting kids decide things for themselves is "using" them?

Why even be a parent? Just pop them out of your womb and let them loose! Should they drink that bottle of clorox? Should they season their eggs with detergent? Let THEM decide!

Making the right decisions for your kids is a big part of parenting, they're too fucking young to make decisions.
 
MalboroRed said:
Why even be a parent? Just pop them out of your womb and let them loose! Should they drink that bottle of clorox? Should they season their eggs with detergent? Let THEM decide!

Making the right decisions for your kids is a big part of parenting, they're too fucking young to make decisions.

Well not that I care about this at all nor kids in general but you're right.

Kids are idiots.
 
Skiptastic said:
Don't worry: if the parents don't determine the gender of the child, the kids at school will in short time...

Never mind, the article did it.

The article is talking about their other two children which are boys. As soon as I saw the picture though I thought he looked like a boy.
 
AbsoluteZero said:
But why can't you be a boy and enjoy your tiaras and fairy wings or be a girl and enjoy your cowboy whatnot? Just because you're given a gender shouldn't limit you one way or the other. It's just a bit silly is all.

BECAUSE when you tell people the child is one thing or the other, other people buy them shit and treat them differently based on that. You know how many barbies I got that basically gathered dust?
 
Sooo calling the baby 'it' is acceptable then? I mean it probably gets pretty annoying having to repeated use "Storm" in reference to Storm. <====== See

"What we noticed is that parents make so many choices for their children. It's obnoxious," adds Stocker, a teacher at an alternative school.

That's usually what parents do. o.O
 
xbhaskarx said:
Next they can raise a child in a reality television show as a social experiment, like The Truman Show!

Even though its not possible, if it was-although in principle I disagree-I would watch the shit out of that
 
Devolution said:
BECAUSE when you tell people the child is one thing or the other, other people buy them shit and treat them differently based on that. You know how many barbies I got that basically gathered dust?


I played with hot wheels, dirt and a spoon. And started a lot of fires. Thinking back, maybe it was the constant piano lessons...
 
As for his mother, she's not giving up the crusade against the tyranny of assigned gender roles. "Everyone keeps asking us, 'When will this end?'" she said. "And we always turn the question back. Yeah, when will this end? When will we live in a world where people can make choices to be whoever they are?"

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maruchan said:
I read the story of x in my feminist class as an undergrad, nice short story.

wow some of you have no idea the difference between gender and sex. we live in a patriarchal hetero society, nothing wrong with trying disrupt the hetero normative orde of gender roles...
Feminists primarily use the term 'gender' to refer to social constructs, but academia still uses the terms interchangeably.

There's another interesting story where a couple attempted to raise a boy as a girl after a botched circumcision. Long story short, it didn't work out.
 
Chet Rippo said:
Where's that thread for stupid baby names. Storm has got to be one of the worst names ever, boy or girl.

Uhh yeah not even close. You've never seen that worst baby name of the year competition I take it.
 
Too bad those kids are going to have to face reality.

If you want to make a point, don't put your kids in the line of fire. They didn't have a choice.

You can raise the kid as a boy or girl and tell them they can like what they want to like.
 
Article fails. Gender != sex. -_-
BloodySinner said:
Let me guess...

Storm is a hermaphrodite and the parents don't want to tell anyone because they're afraid of how they'll react to the news.
A real human hermaphrodite would be fascinating.
 
People are surprised that people who name their kid "Storm" do other dumb symbolic nonsense?
 
SapientWolf said:
Feminists primarily use the term 'gender' to refer to social constructs, but academia still uses the terms interchangeably.

There's another interesting story where a couple attempted to raise a boy as a girl after a botched circumcision. Long story short, it didn't work out.
That was an episode of L&O:SVU.
 
lightless_shado said:
[devils advocate]
I don't think its fair to let children decide important things like how society at large will percieve them for the rest of their lives on their own
[/devils advocate]
I understand the argument, but a kid figuring out their own identity seems like one decision that parents really shouldn't have control over. I mean, if they can't choose that for themself, what's left?
 
Angry Grimace said:
People are surprised that people who name their kid "Storm" do other dumb symbolic nonsense?

movie stars give their kids the stupidest fucking names I've ever heard.

edit: Yeah that baby is hideous.
 
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In all seriousness, I think they're just trying to be cool. They are pretty cool.
 
xelios said:
I played with hot wheels, dirt and a spoon. And started a lot of fires. Thinking back, maybe it was the constant piano lessons...

I played with cars, trikes, remote control cars and was shit at hand games and braiding hair/land yards. Despite my obvious interests in "boy" toys, it wouldn't stop people from buying me girly shit I rarely touched. In fact I distinctly remember having my batman figure tell the barbies to shut up in several of my imaginary skits.
 
I'm quite interested in knowing how the kid turns out. Most likely he or she will be fine, but I imagine the person will better from it.
 
Trent Strong said:

Oh the Onion, it really scares me when their articles become reality.

Society not only defines your gender, it defines a lot about you, to find your "real" you you would have to grow up in a capsule, and that will probably really screw you up anyway. As has been said, just teach your kid to decide what he or she like (see not even language lends itself for this), and to stand up for what they like.
 
AbsoluteZero said:
But why can't you be a boy and enjoy your tiaras and fairy wings or be a girl and enjoy your cowboy whatnot? Just because you're given a gender shouldn't limit you one way or the other. It's just a bit silly is all.

Because at the age I'm talking about, kids don't buy their own things, they are given them and people will tailor those gifts to the sex of the child, therefore this couple have decided to keep the sex a secret to avoid people pushing societal preconceptions of gender onto their kids. Not that hard to understand.
 
That is a boy.

And if they were going for something unisex couldn't they have gone with Taylor or Alex or Chris or something not stupid like Storm?

mantidor said:
(see not even language lends itself for this)
Depends which language.
 
Orayn said:
I understand the argument, but a kid figuring out their own identity seems like one decision that parents really shouldn't have control over. I mean, if they can't choose that for themself, what's left?

The parent guides without commanding. It doesn't tell you what you must be, it tells you what it wants you to be. As you grow older you will develop your own identity while retaining and rejecting what your parents have told you as a child. You only spend about 1/4th of your whole life with your parents. In that time your identity will change and if they're good parents rather than shun you, they will support you. Not unlike the parents of many people who grew up leaning towards a specific gender against the parents wishes and finally making a choice that the parents ended up supporting even if it made them a bit uncomfortable. They supported that person regardless of the decision they've made because that decision was made by an adult who has had time to come to terms with the world around him/her and gotten to develop a true sense of self and also because they have enough love for their child to not shun him/her.


Dr Eggman said:
http://www.refinery29.com/static/bin/entry/62e/x/30059/albert-hammond-agyness-deyn.jpg[IMG]

In all seriousness, I think they're just trying to be cool. They are pretty cool.[/QUOTE]

Hipsters huh?
 
This is stupid and the parents sound pretty douchey. The point they're trying to make is somewhat interesting but their ham-fisted execution of this little 'experiment' is pretty terrible, especially when it comes at the cost of three young children. Couldn't they have found a line between not drumming "dolls are for girls, trucks are for boys" into a child's head, and mystifying the actual existence of genitalia.

I feel bad for the grandparents and the children. Oh and 'unschooling' sounds fucking stupid. Factor in the names of the children and I predict these kids will end up socially awkward and unprepared for life.
 
Dr Eggman said:
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In all seriousness, I think they're just trying to be cool. They are pretty cool.
Is... is that them? Why is there a sudden rage welling up inside me? No, seriously... why does something that moments ago seemed only mildly retarded suddenly get elevated to two attention whores going full-retard?

edit:

That's not them... Ohyou.gif


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Devolution said:
BECAUSE when you tell people the child is one thing or the other, other people buy them shit and treat them differently based on that. You know how many barbies I got that basically gathered dust?


And leaving them in the dark is better? If they get Storm cars and trucks, how is that harming him in anyway? How does that force him to be anything other than what he feels he is inside. At least he can say, my grandparents love me enough to get me toys. Oh wait, he can't say much can he...he's a fucking baby.it doesn't matter yet either ways.




Look, I sorta get the point the parents are trying to make, but this seems more like they are willing to cut the nose off to spite the face. For now, until Storm can express how he personally feels ( the way his older brother and sister do), lets work with what we got k? He has a penis, and ONLY a penis? Lets assume boy.

So long as those same grandparents are willing to still love him later when he asks for Barbie dolls instead, I promise that this demonstration in progressiveness is only doing more for the parents liberal street cred, than the baby's happiness. Besides, if they were really all about letting the child decide his own identity, why even name him in the first place.

"Go ahead and laugh, but Spiderman is having a great childhood!"
 
Devolution said:
I played with cars, trikes, remote control cars and was shit at hand games and braiding hair/land yards. Despite my obvious interests in "boy" toys, it wouldn't stop people from buying me girly shit I rarely touched. In fact I distinctly remember having my batman figure tell the barbies to shut up in several of my imaginary skits.

My four year old girl's favorite toy is a Joker van I bought her. My wife and families shower her with girly shit, and it frustrates them to no end that she plays with a big plastic van with a picture of the Joker on the side. She sets up her Barbies like firewood, and then the Joker van runs over them and she cackles.

My 7 YO boy thinks Justin Beiber is awesome. He lets his little sister dress him up in mom's clothes.

Your "skit" reminded me to post this. Heh. Kids will discover their own interests and figure out their own place in the world irrespective of gender, you don't need to make it a game like these parents are doing. Their education, or lack thereof, is the worst part. Talk about starting out with the deck being stacked against you.
 
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