Devolution
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TL4E said:
Yeah I'm not rereading that bunch of evopsych bullshit that ignores a bunch of cultural socialization or even cultures in which that wasn't the case.
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Parents keep childs gender under wraps
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Yeah I'm not rereading that bunch of evopsych bullshit that ignores a bunch of cultural socialization or even cultures in which that wasn't the case.
TL4E said:
But do you have evidence? If you think you are onto something, you should apply for a research grant, I'm betting there are a ton of men in academia that would love nothing more than to prove that they are better than women at math and science, so you surely will have no trouble getting the funds.
At least they didn't botch a circumcision and try to turn him into a girl, that doesn't work out too well.
The kid will likely conform to the social norms like everyone else does in the end. I don't think much damage will happen to kid as long as the parents teach him morals and give him attention. Not sure what unisex clothing the kid will wear in the meantime though.
The kid will likely conform to the social norms like everyone else does in the end. I don't think much damage will happen to kid as long as the parents teach him morals and give him attention. Not sure what unisex clothing the kid will wear in the meantime though.
I can see where they are coming from, but chances are if anyone is going to have a fit over a boy wearing a dress or playing with dolls (because tomboys are much more accepted nowadays), then this person is going to have that fit if they can't tell whether the child's a boy or a girl.
There is always the option of completely fooling everyone about boy or girl when it comes to a young child, but being addressed e.g. as a girl and wanting to play with dolls are two very different things that don't necessarily go together. If someone has to be transgender to have toys/clothing preferences similar to those of the opposite sex, then that's a bigger gender roles/looks/behaviour bias than what we already have.
There is always the option of completely fooling everyone about boy or girl when it comes to a young child, but being addressed e.g. as a girl and wanting to play with dolls are two very different things that don't necessarily go together. If someone has to be transgender to have toys/clothing preferences similar to those of the opposite sex, then that's a bigger gender roles/looks/behaviour bias than what we already have.
Necromanti
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But you were arguing this from a biological point of view, which is what they are asking you to provide evidence for.TL4E said:
adamsappel
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I was raised by hippies (it was like being raised by wolves, but with less guidance). For third and fourth grades, I attended a "Free School," where students were allowed to set their own curriculum. If I wanted to read a science book, I was free to do so. If I wanted to study math, I was free to do so. So, I read comic books for two years (when I wasn't eavesdropping on the sixth graders reading Alive by Piers Paul Reid). I think the school eventually got kicked out of the Unitarian Church they used during the week and I had to go to public school for fifth grade. Suddenly, not knowing any math was kind of a bummer, man, and I had to cram two years of study into one summer. I had hair down to my ass, called my mother by her first name, wore overalls until I was a teenager, smoked weed and ate pot brownies, stayed up until I wanted to go to bed, and everyone walked around naked at some point. Fucking hippies. They were uniformly terrible at parenting, and these people might as well have come here in a time machine.xelios said:
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i am going to fight someone in this thread
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Bring it, junior junior.blame space said:
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it's just going to turn into the worst most convoluted soap boxes for pretty much everyone.
EDIT: for everyone. these fucking assholes have hit every demographic
it's just going to turn into the worst most convoluted soap boxes for pretty much everyone.
EDIT: for everyone. these fucking assholes have hit every demographic
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society is evil
no, society is open
NO
SOCIETY IS EVIL
these parents are fucking stupid attention whores and i hope they die and their kids are placed in the care of people who aren't so infatuated with making news.yahoo.com
no, society is open
NO
SOCIETY IS EVIL
these parents are fucking stupid attention whores and i hope they die and their kids are placed in the care of people who aren't so infatuated with making news.yahoo.com
Devolution
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blame space said:
Oh wow.
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too real?
SapientWolf
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Tell us how you really feel.blame space said:
Devolution
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blame space said:
Just wondering what brought that on is all.
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Whatever they are doing I don't think it could be worse than the indoctrination that goes on with many of the religious. Probably not smart to experiment with your kids, but let's face it, who doesn't come out a little weird - and if these kids come out okay, or better than okay, maybe their parents are on to something. *shrug*
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hey maybe becuase society accepts religion to a certain (unfortunate) point, yet someone doesn't accept the fact that your parents chose to use the internet to point out the fact that you are sexually ambiguous
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i am having a really hard time understanding youGaborn said:
it's probably not your fault
blame space said:
Above you said:
Then you said
I don't really see how the parents are "attention whores" in the first place. They're raising their kids. The media picked up on it but do you have any evidence that they contacted the media or encouraged them to cover this? It's their kids, and the media is picking up on it NOW, after their THIRD CHILD was born, if they were seeking attention they would have gotten it with their younger kids.
With your point about religion the parents didn't "choose to use the internet to point out that their kids are sexually ambiguous" because in the first place they're not. They may be raised as gender neutral but we have no evidence of them being intersex, in fact the parents said there is nothing wrong there. All they did is email friends and family with the news and not tell them the child's sex. Big fucking deal.
You're acting like they're completely extremists.
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do you really think there is a person at a news website monitoring the sex of every baby born in canada
i mean, it's fun to think so..
i mean, it's fun to think so..
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Gaborn said:
i will not rest until i find the source of this wacky and off-beat news article!
EDIT: for the record, fuck everyone involved except the children.
they are forcing a counter-culture idea on a kid
its agist, extremist and self-righteous out the ass
you can't have your kid escape from indoctrination, this is just their beliefs transfered onto their children
You can't really raise a kid free of guidance. They will eventually seek it.
This only succeeds in a bubble-boy scenario, where their kids are continually kept out of the greater social context. They are being told how judgmental the world is without being able to witness it first hand.
its agist, extremist and self-righteous out the ass
you can't have your kid escape from indoctrination, this is just their beliefs transfered onto their children
You can't really raise a kid free of guidance. They will eventually seek it.
This only succeeds in a bubble-boy scenario, where their kids are continually kept out of the greater social context. They are being told how judgmental the world is without being able to witness it first hand.
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BOOM
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my parents are devout catholics and i am confirmed into the Catholic church
so take note, y'all!
so take note, y'all!
etiolate said:
Not sure I understand: Parents have a right to raise their kids as they see fit within a certain extent of the law. These parents are not breaking the law, these parents are not abusing their children.
If you have no problem with teaching your kid that Santa comes once a year, that Jesus died for the child's sins, that pink is a color for weak people, that girls should be baking, or any other absurd thing parents teach their children, then you should have no problem with what these parents are doing.
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Nice idea, as long as the kid doesn't become the victim of the ideology of the parents. That happens a lot. Most parents are retarded.
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Looks like a boy or a butt ugly girl.
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seriously... Who the fuck are you guys to say how a person should raise their children? how many of you even have kids?
I've met some really kick ass people that've been raised in a similar fashion(they were raised in a hippy colony/group farm thing), and they're some of the most well adapted and smartest people I know.
One in particular is doing her masters in architecture.
I've met some really kick ass people that've been raised in a similar fashion(they were raised in a hippy colony/group farm thing), and they're some of the most well adapted and smartest people I know.
One in particular is doing her masters in architecture.
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Who cares about the gender stuff, WTF is this:
When I was a kid I was "curious" about video games, ninja turtles, action movies and softcore cable porn, I would have loved this. I'd also probably be living in a trailer and working a minimum wage job right about now.
When I was a kid I was "curious" about video games, ninja turtles, action movies and softcore cable porn, I would have loved this. I'd also probably be living in a trailer and working a minimum wage job right about now.
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they'll probably turn out that way anyway, because a huge portion of gender is genetically determined.Devolution said:
see chimpanzee baby studies.
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It's a little dude.
Poor kid, this is going to bite him in the ass during highschool when someone inevitably googles his (really stupid) name.
Poor kid, this is going to bite him in the ass during highschool when someone inevitably googles his (really stupid) name.
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Kinda iffy since other kids exist. They'll assign a notion of roles regardless.Devolution said:
storafötter
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I have to say I agree with Devolution and Gaborn on this. Children are raised as fragile and "stupid" beings who are not able to make their own judgment on things. People don't encourage their kids to be able to learn things on their own. That hardly encourages growth in terms of intellect and personality.
This type of experiment is pretty risky and can go wrong due to how narrow minded society is. But I applaud parents for having the guts to try, as long as they don't keep doing this if it hurts their child in the long run. There is a lot of things we shouldn't have done 50 years ago, but became a norm these days. Things can still change, and some have to take the risk in order for things to improve.
Overall I don't have much faith in people becoming accepting of open gender definitions, but I like seeing that some people are trying to encourage it.
It is ridiculous how people are making fun of the name as if Storm is the most offensive name.
This type of experiment is pretty risky and can go wrong due to how narrow minded society is. But I applaud parents for having the guts to try, as long as they don't keep doing this if it hurts their child in the long run. There is a lot of things we shouldn't have done 50 years ago, but became a norm these days. Things can still change, and some have to take the risk in order for things to improve.
Overall I don't have much faith in people becoming accepting of open gender definitions, but I like seeing that some people are trying to encourage it.
It is ridiculous how people are making fun of the name as if Storm is the most offensive name.
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