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PC Gamer: PS4 performance comparable to $600 PC [if you carelessly skip some details]
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But Jaguar is designed to take on Atom, how can Piledriver not be able to beat it? I know it's not the best CPU architecture out there but I find that bizarre.
Quite true. Up to start of last year I was running new AAA games on an old PC at 720p quite happily. Turning down to medium or low on some and it would still have better frame rates than the consoles.
People are reaching here.
More Fun To Compute
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So you don't have to install updates or buy extra controllers for the PS3 to play certain games?
Sometimes there isn't enough brute force available, you don't even get 60fps locked in the PC version of NFS Most Wanted with SLI 680s
Should have been first post
alexandros
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They really were, which is what I'm trying to explain. The 360 and PS3 looked like very powerful machines because they actually were very powerful machines compared to a mid-range gaming PC of that time. Ps4's hardware is not very powerful compared to today's mid-range gaming PCs, which is why this time it should be much easier for a decent PC to provide console-matching or even console-beating performance.
If we were to compare console tech with mid-range PCs at 2006 and today, it would probably go like this:
2006-7
Console GPUs > Mid-range PC GPUs
Console CPUs > Mid-range PC CPUs
Console RAM < Mid-range PC RAM (I think the standard was 1GB at the time)
2013
Console GPUs <= Mid-range PC GPUs (lower for 720, about the same for PS4)
Console CPUs < Mid-Range PC CPUs
Console RAM >= Mid-Range PC RAM (the same for 720, higher for PS3)
I hope that is a better way of getting my point across.
TheExecutive
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How the hell are you going to power this rig? Case for 20 bucks and a power supply for 30? Oh yeah... and an OS to boot. For shame.
As long as PC games sell a fraction of what console games sell, I'll settle for that when the alternative is no ports at all.
Don't forget that currently PC gamers are far more ported games because the PS3/360 and PC can run the same games, use the same assets. This trend will only go up. Some folks were laughing at a remark that consoles dictate the games PC gamers, this is more or less true for as long PC games make less money than their ugly console brethren.
Kelegacy
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I"m sure I could upgrade my PC for less than that to have some cutting edge, top shelf graphics. But I don't see why you couldn't have both. The tech might be closer to an apples to apples comparison, but the other stuff is not.
I'm a PC gamer for the past year now, but I'm not against the consoles. The more the consoles become like PCs, the better IMO. I'll probably upgrade my PC once things die down a bit on the console side, which will make future proofing that easier and cheaper. I just hope the consoles are beefy enough to push some great graphics AND a high frame rate. If 60fps ever became the standard on next gen consoles I would scream in delight.
I'm a PC gamer for the past year now, but I'm not against the consoles. The more the consoles become like PCs, the better IMO. I'll probably upgrade my PC once things die down a bit on the console side, which will make future proofing that easier and cheaper. I just hope the consoles are beefy enough to push some great graphics AND a high frame rate. If 60fps ever became the standard on next gen consoles I would scream in delight.
This is just silly. No way $600 gets you that.....but why should it? We PC game cause we're willing to pay more for the best performance....we'd save more down the line with game prices anyway...and quickly.
Its the same song every gen....at the start its reasonably comparable, but as the gen goes on new PC hardware put the PC further and further ahead....there's nothing shocking or incorrect about that.
Its the same song every gen....at the start its reasonably comparable, but as the gen goes on new PC hardware put the PC further and further ahead....there's nothing shocking or incorrect about that.
More Fun To Compute
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AAA console games are still not the only thing that PC gamers care about and the only thing you can buy. Although I understand for many gaffers they are pretty much the only thing they care about and will only play on PC if they can have a console like experience when playing.
WoW and LoL make a tiny fraction of what console exclusives make?
BronsonLee
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Well, look at it this way. If we take out the flash/look and such, you still need a lot of parts that fit the use case here (normal desktop case, solid power supply, preferably some optical drive). Do someone like you/me/my friends (especially my friends, since they had tons of stuff that allowed me to build my budget gaming HTPC) have this? Absolutely. Others? Not as much.
Also, how many of those licenses would be usable on multiple PCs? Not discounting the point, but it's not all encompassing. You can remove it of course, but what would you do with the other PC?
My man. Now this I can be on board for :-D
Saying PCs don't have exclusives well worth playing is absurd. I'd say they clearly have the most compared to consoles. [/QUOTE]
Hey, thanks! Always like to contribute to the discussion.
Exactly! It's like saying there aren't startup costs to any hobby. Of course there are; the maintenance afterward is supposed to be much less!
I wouldn't take my comparison to heart though, the Celeron was a very capable processor for those on a budget and I'm sure the Sony PlayStation 4 will fill a similar role for those who can't afford a decent gaming PC.
I'm sure you'll attempt to deny it, but this is pretty blatantly condescending towards anyone who would want to get a PS4 vs a gaming PC. This kind of stuff isn't necessary, dude. Comparing brand new console hardware to something like the Celeron is nothing but a disservice to both.
I managed to do this for $602 http://pcpartpicker.com/p/EXaP although I included Windows and an optical drive which they didn't, take that out and improve the GPU massively and you've a decent system. It'll take a year or two to see what PS4 can really offer.
dynamitejim
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It's going to be interesting to see how PC versions of next gen games deal with the memory deficit. Most cards right now only have about 2-3GB of VRAM. Console devs will probably have 4-7GB of usable RAM. Once you run out of VRAM on a PC GPU and it has to start pulling from main memory performance drops badly. 8GB of GDDR5 in the PS4 will probably put some real downward pressure on GDDR5 prices and DDR4 isn't too far off either. Looks like I'm not going to be upgrading my PC for a while.
All well and good having all that VRAM but if you don't have the power to utilise it then it is wasted.
If the PS4 is aiming for 1080p resolution I can't see it ever needing to use more than 4GB of VRAM.
you missed out a HD monitor, Speakers and HDMI cables lol
phosphor112
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Piledriver was a mess that was abandoned by AMD quickly. It starves for bandwidth. Bandwidth that the suggested RAM certainly won't provide. It's a bottleneck on most games.
Dreams-Visions
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I guess it is assumed you have those things. Much like an HDTV is presumed to be owned when calculating the cost of HD gaming.
Sentenza
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Jesus Christ, people, try at least to know what you are talking about.
Yes, you can, there's nothing stopping you to do it.
Developers usually don't bother because it's not as important as you seem to think, because it's not very cost-effective when you have to keep in mind different configurations and so on.
And "exclusives" are called in that way exactly because they are deliberately kept away from other platforms, it's not really a matter of power.
Chuck Norris
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Wow he aged terribly
Thought this was quite interesting.
Piledriver is their current architecture, it was Bulldozer that was the colossal fuck up by them. Piledriver isn't too bad and they'll be keeping the modular design from Bulldozer through to their next generation CPU Steamroller.
Dreams-Visions
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They will build games to the lowest common denominator, or allow for settings adjustments to reduce the quality of textures being used.
Same they've always done.
Chuck Norris
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I couldn't help roll my eyes, jumping out to grab a helicopter? How cliche. I mean it didn't even make sense
While building a PC and playing games on PC might be easy for most of us, it depends on what your friends like. In college all of my friends were PC gamers, but post college it was mostly console gamers. If I wanted to play with friends, I had to buy the game on 360.
Just a few months ago a group of friends were talking about Minecraft and I was exited to play with them. Then I asked what server IP to join and they looked at me funny... oh you are playing on 360...
Just a few months ago a group of friends were talking about Minecraft and I was exited to play with them. Then I asked what server IP to join and they looked at me funny... oh you are playing on 360...
Calamari41
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Something is wrong. The rig I slapped together two years ago is still playing everything I throw at it at max settings. Scratch that, I have to turn AA down to just below max sometimes.
People, Steam Sales alone will practically pay for your rig within two years. And once you get through the initial burst of buying all of the parts, you can upgrade one at a time years apart.
bigdaddygamebot
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Well...if PC Gamer says so...
I wish the whole platform wars thing would die in a fire already.
I wish the whole platform wars thing would die in a fire already.
Air Zombie Meat
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Just because you can build an equivalent PC doesn't mean developers will take advantage of it. Developers have to cater to the widest array of hardware configurations. This is an overhead in itself. How many thousands... tens of thousands will buy the Geforce Titan (extreme example)? It wont reach million or tens of millions.
Consoles are static hardware that millions will buy. It's easier to cater and "code to the metal" cause you know exactly what will be delivering you product.
Either way, when these consoles do come out, I expect the PC scene to surge forward, only on the basis that developers have to be multiplatform today to be financially feasable. So the current long generation of consoles have largely hindered pushing of graphic fidelity on PC. My 2 cents.
Consoles are static hardware that millions will buy. It's easier to cater and "code to the metal" cause you know exactly what will be delivering you product.
Either way, when these consoles do come out, I expect the PC scene to surge forward, only on the basis that developers have to be multiplatform today to be financially feasable. So the current long generation of consoles have largely hindered pushing of graphic fidelity on PC. My 2 cents.
Totally agree (I don't own a Wii, but Dolphin works much better).
The PS4 is fantastic, and games should look great. Hopefully the PS4 will allow bluetooth keyboards/mice, because I cannot stand to play FPS games with a controller (especially the DualShock). Controllers are best used for 3rd person IMO.
I thought you were Dennis for a second hahaha.
Fudgepuppy
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Which has what to do with hardware?
Better tools, more power and more power of input will allow devs to make games more free and less scripted.
And hopefully, it was scripted in the way it was so people wouldn't call it a render, maybe the game is more like a game when released.
entremet
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You don't have buy OS licenses, no. And a controller is already provided. I was talking about a single user perspective. When did I mentions updates?
ZombieSupaStar
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Thought this was quite interesting.
yet we still don't have a pc game with that level of lighting / scattering on human faces. If only they could code to a pc that everyone owned that had the exact same hardware, lower os overhead, and drivers not filled with bloated legacy bullshit, then they could really get awesome performance out of it.
People have suddenly become experts in GDDR5 RAM (lol DDR3 suxors) and "coding to the metal".
Crysis 3 on Very High settings comes quite close on facial lighting.
Goldenroad
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Buy or Build? I don't need to spend my time building a PS3, and my time is pretty damn valuable to me. So let's say, I'd value my labor at about $75 per hour, how much would this PC cost to put together?
SnakeSlashRO
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What exclusive games? Do tell lol
Also many third parties are picking up the slack in the PC department, I really feel Sony and MS should extend services to PC...
he also found the cure for full body baldness
More Fun To Compute
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You don't get a licence key to your system software that you can reuse if you change your hardware you mean.
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