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PC Gaming? Strong as ever. Cliffy B? An idiot
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Juice said:
You're kidding me, right?
Look how the internets latch on to any and everything these folks say.
Should be obvious by now that Rein believes there is no such thing as bad publicity. As long as people are talking about them, their company, or their games, they're content.
For reference, I would note Rein hopping over the fence separating 360 and PS3 and talking about how much greener it was over there about a...I don't know...BAJILLION times?
titiklabingapat
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If you like grinding, yes.ethelred said:
Teknopathetic
Member
"In 2005, NPD estimated DD at 400 million dollars. In 2 short years that number has (probably) increased .. but not exponentially."
NPD's also admitted recently that they know roughly dick about DD.
NPD's also admitted recently that they know roughly dick about DD.
Teknopathetic said:
http://www.gamedaily.com/articles/f...-pc-games-hit-14-billion-in-2005/68975/?biz=1
Well, I can only go by what they said. They obviously put some research into these comments.
Now, they failed to do a DD estimate in 2006, so maybe that is some indication that they are unsure of there methodology of determining online sales (Especially when Valve represents the "Wal-mart of DD", but with much greater market power).
But facts are facts (at least for what we can ascertain). Console game sales have exploded, PC game sales have remained relatively flat (Over a 10 year period).
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Overall, it's probably not fair to compare these two markets. Since the PC side is evolving WAY faster than the console side is. What you are seeing on the PC side is probably a full generation away (or perhaps never?) on the console side.
I can never see a day, where you boot up your PS(x) and log into Capcom's webspace and download a game. Or log into an independent game maker and download their game for your Playstation. That's a manner of control that a corporation will never give up.
titiklabingapat
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Customization, modding and free community support is still the realm of the PC.HK-47 said:
King_Slender
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titiklabingapat said:
...and now PS3...
Dark Octave
Banned
Damn those sound like fighting words! Or at least a round of UTIII words.
Of course. But when downloads reach a level of "success" we will know about it because there will be press releases telling us so. The fact that NPD doesn't tell us means nothing - the publishers know exactly how many copies are being sold, and if they want to shout about its success, you can be sure they will.Draft said:
saelz8 said:
I don't doubt that casual games are a H U G E seller that goes unnoticed. But those numbers you gave me are from the CGA (Casual Gamers Association). Not exactly a well-known, unbiased group that has a history of recording sales data.
http://www.casualgamesassociation.org/magazine.php
b.e.r.g
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I fail to see how an idiot from the pc gaming industry calling an idiot co-worker from the console gaming industry an idiot couse he sayd hes the pc gaming industry is in trouble, make it any more... false, or true, or whatever, kinda lost myself there.
Anyway I hope digital distribrution will triumpf "for real" on the pc platform, and bring it back on top =)
I belive the couch-gamer is still a bit affraid of diving into the pc gaming scene...
Anyway I hope digital distribrution will triumpf "for real" on the pc platform, and bring it back on top =)
I belive the couch-gamer is still a bit affraid of diving into the pc gaming scene...
b.e.r.g said:
Na I think is its because in the old days pc gaming was different from console gaming. You had these adventure games where you had to really think and console gaming was more about the twitch.
But now console and pc game are the same things. And the ease and price of console gaming wins out big time.
I have no reason not to believe their estimates. If you don't trust them as a source, I guess we can agree to disagree.ToxicAdam said:
I think the PC Game Market is larger and more progressive than the general GAF'er realizes. It's a huge platform, gigantic, and has mind-estate in every country.
Complex games are just one side of the equation (The least important side when it comes to growing industry, as we have seen with the Wii).
McLovin said:
You are so right. I got a gaming notebook last week, and all of a sudden my eyes were opened to all the games I'd been ignoring on the account of my integrated graphics card.
I went from playing Dawn Of War on low at ~15fps to over 60 with everything maxed; the first time I saw it, tears were shed.
ToxicAdam said:
ToxicAdam said:
diddlyD said:
You realize that the article that the OP linked you to goes directly against the bullshit you both posted, right?
You: "bullshit bullshit bullshit!"
OP: "No, see, here's figures that go against that bullshit"
You: "but bullshit bullshit bullshit!"
just tray said:
That's why I don't get all those "PC gamers are too dumb or poor to upgrade" arguments. There are lots of gamers out there who know exactly how to build an affordable PC capable of playing the latest PC games. They're just stealing the games instead of buying them legitimately. I don't know how piracy can be solved but perhaps PC publishers have to start looking at digital distribution and pricing. $29.99 for new games and tighter security through an online service like Steam could perhaps alleviate the problem of people not buying games.
ItAintEasyBeinCheesy
it's 4th of July in my asshole
:lol Man the GeOW extras where so fucking shit.
ZombieSupaStar
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pc gaming is dead "untill" you get that nice pc, then its "alive".
:lol
i have a feeling that this "gold rush" we are having with the internets wont be as it is forever, I can see our kids one day looking at us in awe as we explain how the internets was once a place where u could download anything.
:lol
Z3F said:
i have a feeling that this "gold rush" we are having with the internets wont be as it is forever, I can see our kids one day looking at us in awe as we explain how the internets was once a place where u could download anything.
You guys are such fucking idiots. 2 million 8800s sold (where is that number from? I've still never seen a source), and you expect every single person who bought one of them to purchase every single game? Give me a fucking break.
Crysis has sold more than a million, probably much more by now. Call of Duty 4 has probably sold millions. Orange Box has sold millions on PC. What, you want every single one of those games to have a 100% attach rate to video cards?
Turn it around. Why the hell are games like Ratchet and Uncharted barely managing 15-20% attach rates on the PS3? I guess everyone's stealing PS3 games too? If 8800s were anything like consoles sold, then 300-400k copies of Crysis sold for 2 million 8800s would be impressive. But noooo, everyone stealing them. Right.
These piracy arguments get more ridiculous by the day
Crysis has sold more than a million, probably much more by now. Call of Duty 4 has probably sold millions. Orange Box has sold millions on PC. What, you want every single one of those games to have a 100% attach rate to video cards?
Turn it around. Why the hell are games like Ratchet and Uncharted barely managing 15-20% attach rates on the PS3? I guess everyone's stealing PS3 games too? If 8800s were anything like consoles sold, then 300-400k copies of Crysis sold for 2 million 8800s would be impressive. But noooo, everyone stealing them. Right.
These piracy arguments get more ridiculous by the day
dLMN8R said:
I think it was the guy that did SupCom that brought this up recently on the GFW podcast. He made it a point about so many vid cards selling compared to games purchased. The Company of Heroes designer also made a claim the number of patches downloaded is far greater than recorded sales. Both admitted they're "back of the napkin speculation" but they do point towards a very high piracy rate.
Once again, read the original post in this thread. When NPD reports 88,000 sales for Crysis and it turns into a million, it loses just a little bit of credibility in my book.ToxicAdam said:
Get back to me when NPD actually cares about digital distribution. That, and the fact that NPD is only for the smaller North American audience compared to the huge European PC gaming community makes it even more irrelevant.
dLMN8R said:
Dude, you're all over the place. First of all, Crysis SHIPPED a million worldwide. Not in NA. NPD doesn't measure worldwide sales.
Secondly, until 2006, NPD DID provide estimates of on-line digital distribution for the years 2003, 2004 and 2005.
Finally, the sheer size of potential PC Gamers in America is well over 200 million people (if you go by internet penetration statistics). Not insignificant at all. The problem is, that a vast majority of people don't view this as a gaming platform.
So, from calling NPD uncredible and then denying the significance of the NA market ... I don't know how you could be more off base.
Why do you care about the fact that Crysis' sales are worldwide, and not in North America? Do you think European sales don't matter to developers and publishers?
The fact is, NPD as close to meaningless as you can get when it comes to PC games, for the simple fact that the North American market isn't representative of the PC gaming market as a whole.
Like I already said - when NPD reports 88,000 sales for 2-3 weeks, and the total sales for 2 months turn out to be a million, you have to question its relevance.
The fact is, NPD as close to meaningless as you can get when it comes to PC games, for the simple fact that the North American market isn't representative of the PC gaming market as a whole.
Like I already said - when NPD reports 88,000 sales for 2-3 weeks, and the total sales for 2 months turn out to be a million, you have to question its relevance.
So you're saying you didn't actually read the article the OP linked to. Got it. Thanks for clarifying your self-imposed ignorance by refusing to read the information that goes directly against your misinformed opinion.Decado said:
Teknopathetic
Member
"Secondly, until 2006, NPD DID provide estimates of on-line digital distribution for the years 2003, 2004 and 2005."
And if you want to make estimates on DD numbers, those are the years to look at.
And if you want to make estimates on DD numbers, those are the years to look at.
dLMN8R said:
Ok, so a territory that sells almost 2 Billion dollars in a year is insignificant and the shipped numbers of Crysis versus the NPD sales in NA are the proper barometer or ratio for all PC games worldwide?
How could I be so stupid not to understand this, I apolgize.
Shipped? Whoever said shipped? EA wouldn't report shipped units to their shareholders, because that would be inaccurate misinformation, considering that retailers can return unsold shipped units. Crysis went platinum. It sold a million.
So the fuck what that a territory sells 2 billion dollars? We're talking PC games here, not console games. Simple sales figures show that North American sales reported by NPD are insignificant compared to sales at large. STALKER sold 1.65 million yet you never saw NPD report it. Crysis sold more than a million and we know how that turned out. The Witcher has sold 600k, again, no NPD. Quake Wars was successful. NPD? Nope.
And again, who the fuck cares that NPD used to estimate digital distribution? In 2007, they didn't. 2007, the year that Steam became enormously successful, growing sales by 158% over the previous year.
Once again, READ THE FUCKING POST THAT THIS THREAD ORIGINAL LINKS TO! Everything in it goes against what you believe, using credible sources to back it up. Take your fucking head out of your ass, and understand why, exactly, NPD doesn't mean shit to PC games anymore.
So the fuck what that a territory sells 2 billion dollars? We're talking PC games here, not console games. Simple sales figures show that North American sales reported by NPD are insignificant compared to sales at large. STALKER sold 1.65 million yet you never saw NPD report it. Crysis sold more than a million and we know how that turned out. The Witcher has sold 600k, again, no NPD. Quake Wars was successful. NPD? Nope.
And again, who the fuck cares that NPD used to estimate digital distribution? In 2007, they didn't. 2007, the year that Steam became enormously successful, growing sales by 158% over the previous year.
Once again, READ THE FUCKING POST THAT THIS THREAD ORIGINAL LINKS TO! Everything in it goes against what you believe, using credible sources to back it up. Take your fucking head out of your ass, and understand why, exactly, NPD doesn't mean shit to PC games anymore.
ZombieSupaStar
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ToxicAdam said:
well PC sales to USA are "Old and Busted" and Everyone Else are the "New Hotness"
sorry men in black 2 was on.
and after playing The Witcher, and Stalker, and Scratches (personal pref) im glad they picked up the ball we dropped.
In 2006, DFC estimates that the worldwide online game market was $4.5 billion. DFC forecasts that by 2012 the worldwide online game market will pass $13 billion.
That's $12 Billion dollars generated by the PC platform alone. Source
"Casual" PC games alone are growing at $2.3 billion a year, 20% growth anually. Source
In 2006, subscriptions were the leading revenue source for online games. However, the fastest growing segment of the market was digital distribution and virtual item sales.
As the game market has grown on an international basis and become increasingly fragmented among different platforms, the online connected personal computer has emerged as the leading worldwide game platform. Furthermore, the PC platform has been the pioneer for emerging business models such as digital distribution, virtual items, subscription models and advertising. However, for investors there are limited options for publicly traded companies that are strong in PC online games. Source
On a worldwide basis for 2007, it looks like the PC passed the PlayStation 2 as the leading revenue generating platform. The PC has become a platform that can satisfy the wide range of consumer game interests, from the casual to the hard-core gamer.
Source.
In the video game business there has usually been one very clear cut winner. In the last generation it was the PlayStation 2. During the height of the PlayStation 2 era, around 2004, packaged retail software for the PS2 accounted for about 30% of all interactive entertainment revenue, including hardware, portable systems, PC games and online games. For the new generation of systems (the Wii, Xbox 360, PlayStation 3), DFC forecasts that in the 2010 to 2012 period, software from even the most successful platform will only account for about 10-15% of total industry revenue.
Depending on how much gas is left in the PlayStation 2 tank, the last generation of game systems will have sold around 170 million units worldwide. The three new game systems are forecasted to have similar sales over the next five years. However, it appears no one system will have the 70+% installed base market share of the PS2. In addition the game market is spreading beyond the console systems.
One of the fastest growing segments of the interactive entertainment market is actually PC games. The PC game business is expected to grow over 80% over the next five years. PCs are becoming a fixture in households around the world and they make a natural platform for playing games. The PC is also a platform to experiment with emerging game genres and business models. As more companies look to expand their business beyond console games for Sony platforms, the PC is a natural place to look. Of course, as publishers and developers once again turn their attention to the PC as a game platform this will be a further spur for growth. Source
DFC Intelligence forecasts that the PC game market will grow to over $13 billion by 2012. Much of this growth will come from online game revenue, including subscriptions, advertising and digital distribution. Source
That's $12 Billion dollars generated by the PC platform alone. Source
"Casual" PC games alone are growing at $2.3 billion a year, 20% growth anually. Source
In 2006, subscriptions were the leading revenue source for online games. However, the fastest growing segment of the market was digital distribution and virtual item sales.
As the game market has grown on an international basis and become increasingly fragmented among different platforms, the online connected personal computer has emerged as the leading worldwide game platform. Furthermore, the PC platform has been the pioneer for emerging business models such as digital distribution, virtual items, subscription models and advertising. However, for investors there are limited options for publicly traded companies that are strong in PC online games. Source
On a worldwide basis for 2007, it looks like the PC passed the PlayStation 2 as the leading revenue generating platform. The PC has become a platform that can satisfy the wide range of consumer game interests, from the casual to the hard-core gamer.
Source.
In the video game business there has usually been one very clear cut winner. In the last generation it was the PlayStation 2. During the height of the PlayStation 2 era, around 2004, packaged retail software for the PS2 accounted for about 30% of all interactive entertainment revenue, including hardware, portable systems, PC games and online games. For the new generation of systems (the Wii, Xbox 360, PlayStation 3), DFC forecasts that in the 2010 to 2012 period, software from even the most successful platform will only account for about 10-15% of total industry revenue.
Depending on how much gas is left in the PlayStation 2 tank, the last generation of game systems will have sold around 170 million units worldwide. The three new game systems are forecasted to have similar sales over the next five years. However, it appears no one system will have the 70+% installed base market share of the PS2. In addition the game market is spreading beyond the console systems.
One of the fastest growing segments of the interactive entertainment market is actually PC games. The PC game business is expected to grow over 80% over the next five years. PCs are becoming a fixture in households around the world and they make a natural platform for playing games. The PC is also a platform to experiment with emerging game genres and business models. As more companies look to expand their business beyond console games for Sony platforms, the PC is a natural place to look. Of course, as publishers and developers once again turn their attention to the PC as a game platform this will be a further spur for growth. Source
DFC Intelligence forecasts that the PC game market will grow to over $13 billion by 2012. Much of this growth will come from online game revenue, including subscriptions, advertising and digital distribution. Source
http://www.developmag.com/news/29331/The-PC-market-is-not-dying-says-newly-formed-PC-Gaming-Alliance
NON-casual game 2007 stats:
US PC game sales - $2.76 billion
Worldwide - $8.3 billion
World of Warcraft accounts for about 14% of that.
NON-casual game 2007 stats:
US PC game sales - $2.76 billion
Worldwide - $8.3 billion
World of Warcraft accounts for about 14% of that.