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[Eideka]

Never heard of a version that activates on Steam either.

 

[D3RANG3D]

Childishness aside, there is kind of a point to it. I do wish the PC had more console-style games that are exclusive to the platform. What if the PC had its own Bayonetta-style game or its own Metroid Prime? It'd be a nice bit of variety. The PC has its exclusives, but personally, I don't find the vast majority of them to be very appealing because they really do tend to be RTS games or MMOs... along with a lot of middling indie titles. That said, I do play PC games a lot more than I play consoles these days, but as good as the platform may be, it could definitely be better.

Or maybe I just want more Japanese developers on it.

I am the opposite, console exclusives generally don't really appeal to me.

 

[tci]

I don't agree hell you can look on here gaf with EVERY major PC release and see in each thread about some issues going on with the performance of the game every single time. It's not about its only a little bit more steps the fact is that there are more steps. I work 8 to 10 hours a day have a wife and kids if I do get on a game it's usually late and if it's a new PC game I'm jumping through hoops. To say this still isn't the case is just disingenuous.

There are millions of configurations. Sure some might have more problems. Not denying that.

You play on consoles and be happy. I will not be happy with consoles. PC gaming is so much better for me. Going in to PC gaming expecting a console experience will not happen, at least not until cloud gaming is ready. Which should be 5+ years from now.

 

[triggaz]

There are millions of configurations. Sure some might have more problems. Not denying that.

You play on consoles and be happy. I will not be happy with consoles. PC gaming is so much better for me. Going in to PC gaming expecting a console experience will not happen, at least not until cloud gaming is ready. Which should be 5+ years from now.

And the thread title states why wait for next gen consoles. And this is my answer. I know I'm coming off as a noob here but I'm 35. I've been Playing games on the PC since middle school and really after the tech wars when Nvidia came in and Id and Epic were battling with engines pushing everyone requirements up I bowed out.

I loved the original Xbox because it was the promise of games with PC depth but Console ease of use that spoke to me. The PC depth part has been lost now but I will only go back occassionally.

And another dumb thing why doesn't Mass effect or Amnesia have controller support????

 

[AzaK]

If the WiiU gamepad is what passes for innovation nowadays, then stop the train I want off.

Fair enough, each to their own. However as far as innovating in human/user interfaces which extend into game-play, the PC has been set in it's ways for decades apart from the odd niche experiment. Problem with that is those cool peripherals don't become standard. Consoles have the advantage of being able to ship with them as standard.

I'll say again that I'm not ragging on PC gaming as it has it's pros in many areas, but I think something like the GamePad does have a lot of potential and is quite exciting. Only a platform holder can really make that work.

 

[Fjordson]

Really don't understand the point of a thread like this. Play the platform you personally enjoy. They all have different advantages for different people.

 

[Soodes]

I don't agree hell you can look on here gaf with EVERY major PC release and see in each thread about some issues going on with the performance of the game every single time. It's not about its only a little bit more steps the fact is that there are more steps. I work 8 to 10 hours a day have a wife and kids if I do get on a game it's usually late and if it's a new PC game I'm jumping through hoops. To say this still isn't the case is just disingenuous.

Lots of issues being discussed with new console releases too, game breaking patches, saves being corrupted, freezing issues and so on

 

[Danny Dudekisser]

Really don't understand the point of a thread like this. Play the platform you personally enjoy.

If I don't enjoy it, nobody should.

 

[Zeliard]

If I don't enjoy it, nobody should.

The Internet in a nutshell.

 

[AcceptableGhost]

I don't agree hell you can look on here gaf with EVERY major PC release and see in each thread about some issues going on with the performance of the game every single time. It's not about its only a little bit more steps the fact is that there are more steps. I work 8 to 10 hours a day have a wife and kids if I do get on a game it's usually late and if it's a new PC game I'm jumping through hoops. To say this still isn't the case is just disingenuous.

People trying to eek the most performance out of their game don't represent the majority of PC gaming, probably not even a fraction. Most people who play PC games mostly just run the game, turn a couple sliders and play their game.

 

[triggaz]

People trying to eek the most performance out of their game don't represent the majority of PC gaming, probably not even a fraction. Most people who play PC games mostly just run the game, turn a couple sliders and play their game.

most people who play PC games are playing them on facebook and y8. And I'm talking about more than performance tweaks.

 

[jim-jam bongs]

Because the PC has a poor range of games.

have you ever noticed that when someone says "the pc has a poor range of games" they're nearly always actually saying "I have extremely narrow taste in games"?

 

[JimmyRustler]

Lots of issues being discussed with new console releases too, game breaking patches, saves being corrupted, freezing issues and so on

And aside from Bethesda games?

 

[Skilletor]

most people who play games are playing them on facebook and ios

Fixed that for you.

 

[SapientWolf]

I don't agree hell you can look on here gaf with EVERY major PC release and see in each thread about some issues going on with the performance of the game every single time. It's not about its only a little bit more steps the fact is that there are more steps. I work 8 to 10 hours a day have a wife and kids if I do get on a game it's usually late and if it's a new PC game I'm jumping through hoops. To say this still isn't the case is just disingenuous.

Those people wouldn't be any happier on the consoles, where the IQ and performance are worse and there's nothing they can do about it.

 

[Danny Dudekisser]

have you ever noticed that when someone says "the pc has a poor range of games" they're nearly always actually saying "I have extremely narrow taste in games"?

Sometimes, however, they're not.

I don't think it's reasonable to automatically jump down someone's throat for making that assertion.

 

[D3RANG3D]

Fair enough, each to their own. However as far as innovating in human/user interfaces which extend into game-play, the PC has been set in it's ways for decades apart from the odd niche experiment. Problem with that is those cool peripherals don't become standard. Consoles have the advantage of being able to ship with them as standard.

I'll say again that I'm not ragging on PC gaming as it has it's pros in many areas, but I think something like the GamePad does have a lot of potential and is quite exciting. Only a platform holder can really make that work.

Nintendo will do nothing interesting with it, it happend with the WII and DS.

 

[triggaz]

Fixed that for you.

But we were talking about PC games. Find a kid and if they like games their first stop on the pc is probably gonna be http://www.y8.com/

 

[jim-jam bongs]

Sometimes, however, they're not.

I don't think it's reasonable to automatically jump down someone's throat for making that assertion.

except that, as has been established already in this thread, the pc actually has the widest range of genres and exclusives of any platform. so I think it's perfectly reasonable to jump down their throat.

 

[Danny Dudekisser]

except that, as has been established already in this thread, the pc actually has the widest range of genres and exclusives of any platform. so I think it's perfectly reasonable to jump down their throat.

A fair number of those genres aren't particularly well represented, though... character action games and JRPGs, for example. Which is why I kinda understand where some of these people are coming from.

 

[Skilletor]

A fair number of those genres aren't particularly well represented, though... character action games and JRPGs, for example. Which is why I kinda understand where some of these people are coming from.

Yes, but if a person says the PC lacks variety and then only mentions those two genres, it is safe to say they have "narrow taste."

From my experience, when a person says that, they really mean japanese developed games.

 

[jim-jam bongs]

A fair number of those genres aren't particularly well represented, though... character action games and JRPGs, for example. Which is why I kinda understand where some of these people are coming from.

this does not equate to "the pc has a poor range of games" though. as I said, it equates to "I have very narrow tastes". at this point it's really only JRPGs which are underrepresented on pc, so basically only someone who exclusively plays those could have a major problem with the range of games available.

 

[sp3000]

A fair number of those genres aren't particularly well represented, though... character action games and JRPGs, for example. Which is why I kinda understand where some of these people are coming from.

And MMOs and RTS and DOTA style games aren't represented on consoles. This is such an idiotic line of thinking and there is no defending it.

I can just as easily say I don't find JRPGs or fighting games appealing and therefore declare consoles as lacking variety.

 

[Zeliard]

Yes, but if a person says the PC lacks variety and then only mentions those two genres, it is safe to say they have "narrow taste."

From my experience, when a person says that, they really mean japanese developed games.

Japanese games are fairly underrepresented in PC gaming and are the primary reason I've always owned consoles. But that's all it really boils down to. PC has a staggeringly diverse and large library of games.

 

[GoofsterStud]

And MMOs and RTS and DOTA style games aren't represented on consoles. This is such an idiotic line of thinking and there is no defending it.

I can just as easily say I don't find JRPGs or fighting games appealing and therefore declare consoles as lacking variety.

Just want to pitch in.

DCUO is more successful on consoles than the PC, and is doing well. A lot of other developers have taken notice including Sony. I expect the console market will get a lot of MMO's soon enough.

It's been reported that 70% of DCUO users play on the PlayStation 3, so Sony Online Entertainment president John Smedley believes the free-to-play console market is more than merely "viable." In a recent interview with Eurogamer, he states, "There's a lot of people that go through that store and it's so easy to find and download these games that it's a great business model. A lot of people have already stored their credit card information so it's very frictionless if they do want to buy something. It's a business model of the future."

RTS...on the other hand, all I can think of are the psn games.

 

[Danny Dudekisser]

Yes, but if a person says the PC lacks variety and then only mentions those two genres, it is safe to say they have "narrow taste."

From my experience, when a person says that, they really mean japanese developed games.

c'mon, I said "for example."

For a more complete list, I would argue:

Character action
JRPGs
SRPGs
Fighters
Shmups (Jamestown is not an asset to the PC)
Rhythm
Puzzle
Platformers/side-scrolling actioners

and probably a few others are not particularly well represented on PC. Yes, games in these genres exist, but the offerings are pretty limited. And while there are quite a few platformers when you factor in indie games, there aren't a whole lot of genuinely great games to be had. You have the obvious Super Meat Boy, VVVVVV, Cave Story, etc. that are available elsewhere, too... but beyond that, it's a bit of a wasteland. Lots of uninspired or just downright bad titles.

 

[Danny Dudekisser]

And MMOs and RTS and DOTA style games aren't represented on consoles. This is such an idiotic line of thinking and there is no defending it.

I can just as easily say I don't find JRPGs or fighting games appealing and therefore declare consoles as lacking variety.

All I'm trying to say is that the PC is not the end-all, be-all of gaming. Neither are consoles, on their own. Sorry.

 

[evil solrac v3.0]

But we were talking about PC games. Find a kid and if they like games their first stop on the pc is probably gonna be http://www.y8.com/

my girlfriend's nephew loves all the games we let him play on our gaming PC, none of which are browser games. way to generalize.

 

[Mr. Poolman]

But we were talking about PC games. Find a kid and if they like games their first stop on the pc is probably gonna be http://www.y8.com/

So your point is that casual PC gaming is huge thanks to the difficulty on installing a game and not on the fact that EVERYONE has a PC?

 

[evil solrac v3.0]

All I'm trying to say is that the PC is not the end-all, be-all of gaming. Neither are consoles, on their own. Sorry.

every genre is represented on PC, whether it's originals or ports. now whether you like the particular games on it is on you and your tastes, but never say that the PC lacks variety because that is inacurate and false.

 

[triggaz]

So your point is that casual PC gaming is huge thanks to the difficulty on installing a game and not on the fact that EVERYONE has a PC?

My point is that casual PC gaming is huge PERIOD. And that the "PC Gamer" that gaf is talking about is a niche even on the PC.

 

[Danny Dudekisser]

every genre is represented on PC, whether it's originals or ports. now whether you like the particular games on it is on you and your tastes, but never say that the PC lacks variety because that is inacurate and false.

Okay, fine. It has games in every genre, but a lot of them are bad.

Better?

Of course not.

Now excuse me while I play The Last Remnant.

 

[jim-jam bongs]

Okay, fine. It has games in every genre, but a lot of them are bad.

Better?

Of course not.

why are you so adamantly trying to defend the statement "the pc has a poor range of games" that you seem unwilling to consider all of the evidence to the contrary?

 

[Danny Dudekisser]

why are you so adamantly trying to defend the statement "the pc has a poor range of games" that you seem unwilling to consider all of the evidence to the contrary?

Because if the offerings in some genres are mostly bad, why does it even matter that they exist on PC?

 

[jim-jam bongs]

Because if the offerings in some genres are mostly bad, why does it even matter that they exist on PC?

your argument is illogical, though. some genres being poorly represented and the platform having the most diverse library are not mutually exclusive.

 

[dummydecoy]

That initial investment keeps me from joining the master race. Yeah, I could do it incrementally but I could just buy a next Gen console. It's a cycle I would love to break one day.

What do you mean by incrementally? Buy parts one at a time? Can you elaborate how? Can I do it years apart? Like buy the best motherboard now and then the cpu next year?

 

[Smash88]

I like my PC more than any console, but I also like consoles because A) My TV is much bigger and prettier than my monitor and B) I like to stand instead of sit as much as possible, which doesn't work very well with PC.

You realize those points are moot now right?

Steam is coming out with Big Picture Mode soon.

Not only that, you can nowadays just plug your computer into your TV via HDMI or VGA connection and play any game, most with controllers as well.

 

[Danny Dudekisser]

your argument is illogical, though. some genres being poorly represented and the platform having the most diverse library are not mutually exclusive.

When did I say they were?

 

[sp3000]

Okay, fine. It has games in every genre, but a lot of them are bad.

Better?

Of course not.

Now excuse me while I play The Last Remnant.

Now excuse me while I play Shogun Total War

Now excuse me while I play Mechwarrior Online

Now excuse me while I play DOTA 2

Your either trolling hard or just trying desperately to thread crap

Maybe both.

 

[Danny Dudekisser]

Now excuse me while I play Shogun Total War

Now excuse me while I play Mechwarrior Online

Now excuse me while I play DOTA 2

Your either trolling hard or just trying desperately to shit up the thread

Maybe both.

Well, the point of mentioning The Last Remnant is that it's just about the only JRPG to come out on the platform in recent years, and it's terrible.

I do find it amusing, though, that saying anything contrary to what PC-GAF deems acceptable is automatically trolling now.

 

[D3RANG3D]

Well, the point of mentioning The Last Remnant is that it's just about the only JRPG to come out on the platform in recent years, and it's terrible.

I do find it amusing, though, that saying anything contrary to what PC-GAF deems acceptable is automatically trolling now.

Nope, one of the few playable JRPG's this gen boo this man!

 

[Dennis]

I do find it amusing, though, that saying anything contrary to what PC-GAF deems acceptable is automatically trolling now.

 

[evil solrac v3.0]

Okay, fine. It has games in every genre, but a lot of them are bad.

Better?

Of course not.

Now excuse me while I play The Last Remnant.

which genre has bad games? name some.

 

[Smash88]

You need to post the full gif from tech demo.

 

[Danny Dudekisser]

Yes, Frog me.

Playing more games on PC than on any other system, but having the audacity to suggest things could still be better is clearly trolling. It doesn't matter that I've bought a couple hundred games on Steam in the last few years. It doesn't matter that I also have consoles, so I've got a good idea what's out there on all the various platforms. It doesn't matter that I think the PC's better at a lot of things than the consoles. No, the problem is that I disagreed with you guys on something.

Wait. No, sir. Frog you.

 

[Moaradin]

PC has no FGC. Consoles will always win.

The PC version of SSF4 is the best version. It does have a dedicated community, and even has a modding scene.

 

[dsmoke1986]

True.
Todays PC games are basically 360/PS3 games in 1080P/60fps and some nice AA, thats it.
The real graphics jump will come with 720/PS4.

Bullshit, you obviously haven't played Skyrim or Max Payne 3 on a 7970 or 680 yet.

 

[Blood Diamonds]

Why wait?
Because I'm poor.

 

[jim-jam bongs]

jesus fucking christ, nobody is arguing that things couldn't be better; please learn to follow the discussion.

you came along and took issue with me pointing out that the statement "the pc has a poor range of games" is generally indicative of the fact that the person making the statement has narrow preferences which aren't well represented on the platform, because it's objectively true that the pc has the widest and most diverse range of games of any system (if only because of perpetual backwards compatibility).

the point has sailed past you apparently.

 

[dsmoke1986]

You realize those points are moot now right?

Steam is coming out with Big Picture Mode soon.

Not only that, you can nowadays just plug your computer into your TV via HDMI or VGA connection and play any game, most with controllers as well.

Exactly, I just plug HDMI into my M17x, and voila, gaming on my Samsung UND8000 60"...games look sick.

Anyone hating on cpu gaming in this thread, obviously doesn't have a nice gaming pc...Because if you did, you wouldn't be saying the stuff you are now.

Gaming on a PC right now is incredible and where it's at. The area where PC gaming is really lacking is in their Sports titles, and with the 3D fighters...Outside of that, PC gaming has consoles beat in spades.