MonkeyClaw36
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Nope, it takes 1 person to disagree to make it an opinion. And there are more then 1 in here. So OPINIONS, not facts.F A C T S not opinions
Nope, it takes 1 person to disagree to make it an opinion. And there are more then 1 in here. So OPINIONS, not facts.F A C T S not opinions
And better input lag, mouse&kb for shooters with no pathetic aim assists, better FoV, 21+: 9 screens, mods, emulators, tons of exclusives since The Pong, free online, fast loading times for games up to the PS4 gen, providing tech for consoles to exist for some dirty peasants come here be ignorantes/hypocrites and that's about it, I think. And i didn't call anything golden age. You must be seeing things on my posts.High frame rates and resolution on pc over consoles and that's about it. That's what you call a golden age?
You do know that Medal of Honor went on as Call of Duty, right? The MoH devs left and started Treyarch, from which the first CoD's came.For me, I just want my medal of honor series back. Sadly, they whored for a VR title, like valve did.
Imagine saying the time of these games was shit. Typical auto-aim suckers judgement/peasantry.20 years ago ? In 2002 ? Medal of Honor Allied Assault was released to universal critical acclaim and would lay the foundation for the ultra scripted FPS template and the team would go on to make Call of Duty. Unreal Tournament 2003 was released. Battlefield 1942 would release and go on to sell millions and usher a new era of multiplayer games. Gothic 2 and Morrowind were released. Blizzard and Ensemble would do battle in the strategy space with Age of Mythology and Warcraft 3, which would go on to create the MOBA genre and also become the fastest selling PC game in history and the 7th million seller Blizzard game.
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Soldier of Fortune 2, No One Lives Forever 2, Jedi Outcast, Neverwinter Nights, Icewind Dale 2, Hitman 2, Syberia 2, Mafia, Age of Wonders, Medieval Total War, Mechwarrior Mercenaries, Stronghold.
Jesus, now you made me wish i could go back in time to that time when pc was so shit that it was shaping gaming history that we feel this very moment still
Eh, I have to disagree here. I mean sure, "opinions" and all, but this is bordering on false.Emulation is amazing but also disgusting. Nothing ever feels and looks as good as original
So you're saying this: Agree with me or you're an idiot.......It's better now than it ever was. Night and day better. And still getting better.
To say otherwise is senile old fart think.
Performance disparity. Console gamers are not stupid. They can install upgrades if needed. I think they prefer simplicity however. Plug and play on equal footing. That idea is dying.I mean, even the original Xbox One had modular customization to some extent. But even that wasn't more difficult than pressing 1-2 buttons. PC's are years away from that level of user-friendliness imo.
Not sure how differently performing harddrives and mid-gen upgrades are relevant to this argument? The majority of console users buy harddrives simply to store some extra games. Not to cut their loading times from 19 to 13 seconds. And mid-gen upgrades are purely optional and straight to the point (1. buy console 2. play game)
Yeah but what if you want to play Mario at 4K/60FPS.meh. If I wanted to play Mario, I would get a switch
By relying on tons of aim assists fooling them making them to think they are good at aiming. And then coming here saying the difference is only resolution and expensive hardware.I have to confess: whenever someone says he didn't like DOOM Eternal, I think it's because he played it with a controller.
I played '16 with one since back then my PC sucked, but when I went to play Eternal on PC I immediately realized how much faster it was and how it required far more precise shots. Don't know how you are supposed to achieve those with a gamepad.
Nope, it takes 1 person to disagree to make it an opinion. And there are more then 1 in here. So OPINIONS, not facts.
Can't wait for the Doom esports league LMFAOBy relying on tons of aim assists fooling them making them thing they are good at aiming. And then coming here saying the difference is only resolution and expensive hardware.
Yeah it sucks. I could never play an FPS with a controller, just as I never could play an action game with KB&M.By relying on tons of aim assists fooling them making them to think they are good at aiming. And then coming here saying the difference is only resolution and expensive hardware.
Depends on the game. I play Batman Arkham games with mouse+kb, but not Devil May Cry.Yeah it sucks. I could never play an FPS with a controller, just as I never could play an action game with KB&M.
At least it seems that more games are able to use KB&M on consoles, pretty cool imo.
Maybe it's a sign of consoles becoming more and more like PCs, which imo is the inevitable future. You have KB&M on consoles, and this gen it's having games with (bare-minimum, for now) graphical settings.
The freedom of being able to choose. :')Depends on the game. I play Batman Arkham games with mouse+kb, but not Devil May Cry.
Correct on all fronts. My original PC build (which, again, I use as a backup/hobbyist machine these days) has the original 3570k I bought in 2014. That is "only" a 4-core/4-thread processor but it STILL performs great.i agree. then again, most cpus from that era still rocks nowadays
you could chug a 1070 on your 3770k and keep gaming at 1440p or whatever. i remember the times when best gpu you can match with a 2500k was a gtx 580... it can even stride along with a gtx 1060
i'd say a 5600x will probably be able to handle a 4070/5070 at 1440p. the good thing about a base PC build is that if you create a good basis of ram/cpu/mobo, you can easily upgrade your GPU and keep on with it
Well to be honest before i though same as as you, like i said i was a ps4 player for years. Warzone is supporting mouse&kb, how about apex, battlefield etc?You do know that CoD and A LOT of other games support KB&M on consoles? I play 120 fps with mouse and keyboard on ps5. No need for a pc.
Let's face it. PC's for gaming are WAY overpriced and the lack of "install and go" doesn't help the Golden Age argument.
Tinkering with settings, drivers, unoptimised console ports.... Yeah pc is the way to go........
I went from PC to console because of the ease of use. Consoles are catching up to PC's just like consoles caught up to the arcades. And that for a fraction of the price.
Go ahead and grow an E-peen with your 1000 dollar GPU's, I'll just press power and be gaming 20 secs later.
Golden Age my ass.
PC has support for kb&m (plus minimum input lag for this) for 100% of the shooters since Wolf3D or before, not just some new CoD or other penny. LOL at "A LOT".You do know that CoD and A LOT of other games support KB&M on consoles? I play 120 fps with mouse and keyboard on ps5. No need for a pc.
Let's face it. PC's for gaming are WAY overpriced and the lack of "install and go" doesn't help the Golden Age argument.
Tinkering with settings, drivers, unoptimised console ports.... Yeah pc is the way to go........
I went from PC to console because of the ease of use. Consoles are catching up to PC's just like consoles caught up to the arcades. And that for a fraction of the price.
Go ahead and grow an E-peen with your 1000 dollar GPU's, I'll just press power and be gaming 20 secs later.
Golden Age my ass.
Nah. You can finally get GPUs at retail price after being 5x its price for years. And you can actually get them, when just a year ago it was near impossible to find one.PC gaming has been the gold standard for at least a solid decade now. We've been having PC versions of the majority of AA/A third parties for a long while now. Not to mention all of the many genres and publishers that are exclusive to PC since forever.
Instead of 3x the price it's 2x the price. Prices are still very high.
Fair, depends on what we're calling "retail" though. Reference cards by Nvidia, for example, are still a bit hard to find. Those are what most people think of as "true" MSRP.Nah. You can finally get GPUs at retail price after being 5x its price for years. And you can actually get them, when just a year ago it was near impossible to find one.
Wolfenstein didnt have mouse support. Just sayin'.PC has support for kb&m (plus minimum input lag for this) for 100% of the shooters since Wolf3D or before, not just some new CoD or other penny. LOL at "A LOT".
Do you think mouse support comes only officially? Your peasantry is showing. Again, LOL at lots, compared to pc.Wolfenstein didnt have mouse support. Just sayin'.
And yes, city builders, lots of fps games, mmorpgs support kb&m. But I guess this is the best retort you can give? Try harder.
PC Gaming is dead yada yada
After a long time, we can finally say that PC is the best platform to invest in regards to gaming. Despite the Master Race and whatever memes going around. The truth is, PC was always there as a gaming platform, but it never could get to be the definitive platform. Consoles were way easier back in the day, just plug & play. Then consoles got really powerful and really good (sometimes better than PC) online experiences. And when consoles were not so plug & play anymore, they had the best exclusives that you couldn't get on PC. Also most players would play games on consoles and their playerbase was always helthier.
In the last recent years, PC has been growing enormously, and kept getting more and more stuff. Nowaways almost all third party games come out for PC. All Xbox first party day one. Like 95% of Nintendo games get up being emulated and played even better than in its console. And even PlayStation first party are now getting in. Online is free and you have such a wide offer between AAA free to play games, cheap indies, platforms gifting games all weeks, getting seasonal offers every other month. Games being cross-play so you don't suffer from poor playerbase. And new technologies making your hardware last longer and more competitive (DLSS).
BUT
The Nation of the Bitcoin and Pandemic attacked...
And despite the PC getting the best of the best by long miles... It was impossible to get one without getting youranuswalltet pounded. GPU, RAM and even some CPU prices were laughable when you could get a console for half the price of just one of those components...
UNTIL NOW!
Finally, after years, prices are literally plummeting.
And with that last wall falling, PC is finally entering its Golden Age.
TL;DR: not everyone is looking for that same "best graphics and performance that is reasonably possible" gaming experience. some, like myself, just want the process as simplified as humanly possible, even if that means an inferior experience.Kev, my good man... You're one of my favorite posters here so I'll approach this in a bro-tastic fashion. First of all, I'm not trying to convince you of anything here, we're just having a chat.
Second... Fair enough on your point, although I'll tell you that when I started with PC tinkering was nowhere near my radar, at all. Even putting my first PC together, most of the work was done by my good buddy who had experience putting gaming PCs together. I just wanted to turn the damn thing on and wanted it to work with reasonable framerates. Start Windows, open Steam, launch the game. That's it.
And I was such a giant pussy about the hardware (even though it was glorified Legos) that I didn't want to touch or mess with anything, even if my buddy's handiwork left a mess of cables inside the PC box. Only over time did I become more confident, to the point where I now proactively enjoy putting together a nice build with a clean, organized cable layout.
Back in those days, if somebody threw terms at me like "ambient occlusion" or "God rays" or even asked me the difference between "FXAA vs 4x MSAA" I would tell them to take a hike, because I didn't know... and more importantly, I didn't give a fuck. (To be honest there are some aspects of graphical parameters I *still* don't give a fuck about )
But there are easy things that even then I was able to tell with my naked eyes. Things like framerates. Things like 720p vs 1080p. Things like higher quality textures. So often I would just choose pre-canned settings that I liked and improved on those high level things I could see. And over time (because I'm a naturally curious guy) did I start looking into the lower level settings.
This times a thousand.GoldenEye is a really bad example, FPS was huge on PC way before it.
PC does have a history of innovation and creating new genres and sub-genres tailored for it, that is the biggest strength of PC not powerful hardware, or Steam or some other nonsense people get so attached too.
Most PC players are interested in playing MOBAs, tactical shooters, MMOs, games like PUBG or Escape from Tarkov, etc, not playing console games with higher resolution while dunking on consoles and feeling special because games runs slightly better on their PC they spent so much money on.
can you elaborate? what has changed?Christ some of you guys posts on PC gaming is quite Archaic to what it is today.
Steam and the ability to use any controller you want. Hell you can get steam to load in big picture mode and start playing games as soon as your pc loads up windows. If people are considered about plug and play.can you elaborate? what has changed?
PCs are great for customizing what you play and how you play it though. being able to emulate any console on a PC is pretty rad. and then when you start talking about VR capabilities, fah'gett about'it
fah'gett
Everything. If you think that PC gaming in 2022 is the same as PC gaming in 2001, or whenever you last touched one is, you're just flat-out wrong. The PC is no longer a tower device used at a desk with a mouse and keyboard. It is whatever you want it to be, if you are interested in the enthusiast side of gaming. If you want a PC that is functionally the same as a console, and is designed to be played from a couch, Playnite/SBP is there for you. If you want a traditional PC at a desk, the hardware combinations in terms of input devices, look of the system, feel, display, and sound are limitless. If you are interested in big budget, mainstream Hollywood gaming, everything that isn't a Sony or Nintendo exclusive is ported to the PC, generally day and date. If you are interested in exploring the underworld, and looking for fascinating, transformative experiences in the indie scene - that is there, and it is light years bigger and more interesting than any indie program on any console. 'Teardown' is a masterpiece of game design and engine tech, as an example. And, obviously, modding and emulation blow open the doors on what games fundamentally can be, by eliminating the restrictions placed by developers, and giving access to decades of gaming history with total freedom and no compromises.can you elaborate? what has changed?
Maybe an analogy can help. Did you just buy some guitar starter kit and just stop there? Like if the strings break or whatever it's back to Guitar Center, asking them to fix it or just give you a new one?see, this is what i dont want. talking about graphics cards and gpu's and rams or whatever. i dont have any interest in tinkering with this mess.
i think part of the hobby for some PC gamers is the tinkering. maybe that is whats separating PC and console players?
$850? Not worth it if you want to play AAA gamea, might aswell just get a console unless you need it for work.This is another misconception. You don't have to spend your life's savings to have a more than capable machine. You can spend about $850 right now and get you a nice, reasonable PC.
I disagree with that, the majority of console gamers won't be buying mid-gen refreshes, just like last time round. The base consoles will continue to outsell them by a significant margin.I've seen a couple of posts of the "in the end PCs will become consoles LOL" variety.
From where I'm sitting, I see the opposite happening. "Performance" and "Fidelity" modes that are increasingly popular in console games have been a thing in PC for literally decades. Except in PC you have infinitely more tuning capability beyond pre-canned modes.
And even then, with those new modes on consoles, I still see people complaining that "well, they can give me a middle of the option road, maybe 1440p60? Or maybe 1080p60 with Ray Tracing? Or maybe they could push Fidelity Mode to 4k60 but LOL lazy devs?"
A big point of paying a premium for PC* is that you are not at the mercy of developers to give you pre-canned performance modes. YOU are in the driver's seat of exactly how to custom tailor your game to your liking based on your hardware's capabilities.
* Is this even a valid argument anymore? I think console mid-gen refreshes are throwing a wrench in the whole "PCs are so much more expensive!" conversation.
Same thing with putting together and maintaining your gaming PC. You put in the work and learn things because the result is better. And it's probably not as hard as you think. Once you tailor your gaming experience to be exactly what you want it to be, the idea of going back to console just isn't very appealing even if it could save you money.
Why isn't it worth it? Not everyone has to play on Ultra settings at 144hz. If you didn't know, most people are using a GTX 1060 which came out in 2016 and they're still playing AAA games. A 6600XT/6600 will still give you a better experience than on console which usually use medium/medium high settings. Again, a wild misconception.$850? Not worth it if you want to play AAA gamea, might aswell just get a console unless you need it for work.
An entire PS4 Pro costs about $100 more than a GTX 1060.Why isn't it worth it? Not everyone has to play on Ultra settings at 144hz. If you didn't know, most people are using a GTX 1060 which came out in 2016 and they're still playing AAA games.
I made that exact point earlier. However a lot of people on this thread are talking about playing at much higher frame rates than available on console, and that's not happening for newer games unless you're playing at 1080p. I still own a 1070ti myself - although that's because GPU price are still heavily inflated.Why isn't it worth it? Not everyone has to play on Ultra settings at 144hz. If you didn't know, most people are using a GTX 1060 which came out in 2016 and they're still playing AAA games. A 6600XT/6600 will still give you a better experience than on console which usually use medium/medium high settings. Again, a wild misconception.
An entire PS4 Pro costs about $100 more than a GTX 1060.
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Looks like a similar situation between the 6600 and PS5
In both cases, your choice is between an entire functioning gaming console and a GPU that is more powerful than the console’s GPU on paper but not in practice - for around the same price.
IMO, you’d have to really love playing old PC games to make that make sense. You might as well go big and do a high-end VR set up or something. It’s expensive but at least it’s compelling.