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Pearl Jam was on the classic rock station
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They get grouped into grunge because when Ten broke, they were wearing flannel and dressing the part that "grunge" bands did at the time. Grunge for early 90's was flannel.
BlitzerRadic
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Live 105 in SF Bay area is supposed to be a modern rock station but they have lots of 90s - 00s stuff in regular rotation.
That is because there is nothing else modern that is better since then.
I honestly don't think nuMetal is going to make it to "Classic Rock" status. It'll be there in some niche of retro, like Industrial music is, but it's not gonna be classic in any wide sense, given that it was produced for a very specific state of mind, raw youth angst, and most of what we consider classic has much wider emotional appeal.
beato_angelico
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yeah, weezer, truly a watershed band in the history of rock music.
They kind of are, though. While their music isn't incredibly unique, the Blue Album marks the end of 80s-90s grunge dominance and the emergence of pop and folk-influenced groups that still define rock music today.
While I don't know if Weezer directly influenced them, bands like post-Bends Radiohead, American Football, and Vampire Weekend would have been able to exist before Weezer's emergence.
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beato_angelico
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Well, they were part of that scene in Seattle. They were made up of members of Mother Love Bone after they broke up when their lead singer died, and also the Temple of the Dog album that was done with folks from Pearl Jam and Soundgarden.
Their first album dropped a few weeks before Nevermind, and they were all up in the mix with those bands (Soundgarden, Mudhoney, Alice in Chains), so yeah, they are grunge as they were one of the bands that were at the forefront of that whole scene.
Also, if they were to make a direct remake of The Wonder Years with the same time difference, it would take place in 1995.
OoooOoooOooOOoo....the Mortal Kombat movie came out 20 years ago this year....
Glorified G
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Because they were more popular, selling more records, and much more versatile and talented.
Thankfully with the huge decline of radio I don't have to listen to something like this constantly unless I go to a mall.
*dies at cat fish dinner line* X|
nintendork666
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Alice in Chains > Nirvana > Pearl Jam
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Mighty Chin
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But you got Pearl Jam third?
Ninja Scooter
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True. If you really think about it, the major "grunge" bands didn't really sound anything like each other. They just sorta got lumped together because of where they were from. Grunge was much more a fashion trend than a musical genre.
Mighty Chin
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It was basically labeled as anyone not a Big Hair Metal Band.
Jack Endino producer of Nirvanas 1st album and many other grunge albums, has talked before about how Nirvana was not grunge. The grunge sound is best demonstrated by bands like Green River/Mudhoney. Nirvanas only connection to the other grunge bands was Sub Pop, they didn't even live in Seattle until 1992, they were much more connected to the Riot Grrrl scene in Olympia Wa.
nintendork666
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Out of the three most popular grunge bands? Sure.
teruterubozu
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Even Mudhoney veered towards pop. The Melvins were the grungiest of the grunge - and they weren't even from Seattle (but still from Washington). Most of the true grunge bands never saw radio play.
Pretty much. 1950-1960s rock used to play on Oldies stations when I was a little kid in the late 80s/early 90s, so I guess it makes sense that the term now applies to music from my childhood.
There's a slight bit of difference.
Music from the '80s still plays, in little bits, on stations that play new music. At least around here, anyway.
I'm think they all rejected the term because none of them were grunge bands.
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I understand that. The funny thing about flannel is that it was big in the 80s amongst skaters in the pnw and probably other places too. But every skater I ever knew in Olympia, Tacoma or Seattle during the 80s wore flannel at one time or another mostly because of the weather. It was funny to see it become a trend I guess.
I remember watching this when it was first broadcast. We taped it and I watched the performance so many damn times. I hadn't heard it in many years but still have it memorized beat for beat. Goddamn.
I think people feel that less time has passed since Pearl Jam or Nirvana because those guys were really the last batch of rock bands who changed not only the music landscape of their time, but also everything around pop culture.
In the late 80s-early 90s Led Zeppelin or Hendrix felt like dinosaurs because in the 60s-90s períod, rock was undeniably the most popular music around and new, awesome things were getting huge with the mainstream every fucking 2-3 years.
After Grunge, big rock bands were just a niche product. Nu metal sold a lot of records yeah, but did not influence culture beyond american teenagers. So a lot of us now in our late 20s- early 30s kept waiting "the next big thing" in rock but it never came because hip hop and EDM took the attention and we never got our rockstar icon, like gen X people had with Cobain or Vedder.
In the late 80s-early 90s Led Zeppelin or Hendrix felt like dinosaurs because in the 60s-90s períod, rock was undeniably the most popular music around and new, awesome things were getting huge with the mainstream every fucking 2-3 years.
After Grunge, big rock bands were just a niche product. Nu metal sold a lot of records yeah, but did not influence culture beyond american teenagers. So a lot of us now in our late 20s- early 30s kept waiting "the next big thing" in rock but it never came because hip hop and EDM took the attention and we never got our rockstar icon, like gen X people had with Cobain or Vedder.
MrCunningham
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I was 10 when ten was released...
Feels old, man....
Can't wait for "insert popular band or singer name here" to do a cover of Jeremy.
Blargonaut
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I was born in 1992 and was never really exposed to Pearl Jam but I feel old for you older people
Well, the way I see it, Pearl Jam is the culmination and pinnacle of everything good about classic rock... only with better and more meaningful lyrics and an unparalleled integrity that have kept them going strong for 24 years now , so yes they are "classic rock" 
Seriously though, for the youngins or the curious, if Ten (Alive, Evenflow, Jeremy, Black Etc the most likely canidates to play on radio) is all that comes to mind when you think Pearl Jam, listen to No Code and Yield for starters then move on to live bootlegs(youtube has tons of full show in great quality), they have dozens upon dozens of songs arguably as good if not better than the radio hits(hell Evenflow wouldn't even come close to my top 50 and it's my username unfortunately lol).
Seriously though, for the youngins or the curious, if Ten (Alive, Evenflow, Jeremy, Black Etc the most likely canidates to play on radio) is all that comes to mind when you think Pearl Jam, listen to No Code and Yield for starters then move on to live bootlegs(youtube has tons of full show in great quality), they have dozens upon dozens of songs arguably as good if not better than the radio hits(hell Evenflow wouldn't even come close to my top 50 and it's my username unfortunately lol).
Well, the way I see it, Pearl Jam is the culmination and pinnacle of everything good about classic rock... only with better and more meaningful lyrics and an unparalleled integrity that have kept them going strong for 24 years now , so yes they are "classic rock"
Seriously though, for the youngins or the curious, if Ten (Alive, Evenflow, Jeremy, Black Etc the most likely canidates to play on radio) is all that comes to mind when you think Pearl Jam, listen to No Code and Yield for starters then move on to live bootlegs(youtube has tons of full show in great quality), they have dozens upon dozens of songs arguably as good if not better than the radio hits(hell Evenflow wouldn't even come close to my top 50 and it's my username unfortunately lol).
I'm 28 right now but Do the Evolution was my first contact with PJ when I was a kid and fell in love immediately. A few years later, I became kind of a late grunge fanboy and fell in love again with I am Mine before giving a serious listen to Ten. So yeah, they have a huge catalog of great songs, even if I'm a bigger Nirvana/Alice/Pumpkins fan these days though.
Nice man, Do the Evolution is one of my favorites... and the first song I heard live from them, I'm guessing you saw the Mcfarlane music video? Yeah, reading through the thread it seems a bunch of people just see PJ as something that happened in 1992 and started and ended with Ten, so figure I'd chime in a bit... I rank it as around their 4th or 5th best album. Nirvana/Alice/Pumpkins are all in my top 10 bands or so as well so cheers, actually seen Pumpkins live once.
Seems about right. Ten is an easy choice for many people because it's very melodic and catchy, while if you ask core PJers they'd probably cite Vs/Yield/No Code as their In Utero.
For some reason I like Binaural, it's like the band acknowledged it lost its angry edge and just rolled with it.
Yeah Binaural is pretty magic, especially with headphones or a good sound system. Sleight of Hand and Parting Ways are incredible songs. As far as live goes, Mcready absolutely shreds on Nothing as it Seems, it's really something.
Interesting. Also what I found odd is that there were other groups of people already wearing flannel for whatever reasons. Then when it became popular and bands wore it, they connected. This new group of various fans felt they were more like them, which the 80's hair bands with makeup and perms they did not.
teruterubozu
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As an 80s kid I remember everyone started to wear flannel+jean jacket after The Breakfast Club because of Judd Nelson.
BolognaSoup
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Also, if they were to make a direct remake of The Wonder Years with the same time difference, it would take place in 1995.
The 1950s were to Back to the Future what Back to the Future is to today.
SebastianM
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Totally not biased lol
Especially since Kurt criticised PJ in early 92 and Ten didn't outsell Nevermind until 93 by which time Kurt and Eddie had made up although Kurt said he still thought PJ sucked but he liked Eddies as a person.
PastorOfMuppets
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Yield is one of my favourite late 90's albums. Kind of lost in the shuffle since it was a Pearl Jam record released at the height of bubblegum pop and the nu-metal/rap rock era of music.
Also, here's an interesting scenario I like to think of and it's brought up by Chuck Klosterman all the time. Do we think of Eddie Vedder and Pearl Jam in the same way we think of Nirvana and Kurt Cobain now if Eddie and Nirvana had gone to to be the lone surviving Seattle band and continued to make records into the 2000's?
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