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Penny Arcade loves Too Human!
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typhonsentra
Banned
I just remembered writing about that Ben guy the time Dyack himself actually used that Ben guy as an excuse.
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=3520024&postcount=57
This guy's said so many ridiculous things his opinion isn't even worth mentioning.
Devil May Cry is uninspired.... check!
Say what you will about this game, but it's a pretty large departure for the series.
He also goes on and on throughout his coverage about how Nintendo was amazing and how they stole the show for him, he makes his biases and agenda pretty clear.
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=3520024&postcount=57
This guy's said so many ridiculous things his opinion isn't even worth mentioning.
Devil May Cry is uninspired.... check!
Say what you will about this game, but it's a pretty large departure for the series.
He also goes on and on throughout his coverage about how Nintendo was amazing and how they stole the show for him, he makes his biases and agenda pretty clear.
Forceatowulf
G***n S**n*bi
:lol :lol :loltyphonsentra said:
This guy is garbage. Biased Ninty fan journalist
ftl
Ghengis Cohen
Banned
I don't like the idea of microtransactions, but this is pretty much in line with 50+ years of how to market to children.sp0rsk said:
meltpotato
Member
sp0rsk said:
im not buying this quite yet. Microtransactions are geting out of control and im not basing my skepticism on that but from what i understand of the game. Wasn't the whole point of the game that you do special shit to your garden and then the pinatas come and populate it?
buying pinatas would, in every possible sense, break whatever "Gameplay" aspect there actually was. Obligatory "well, it IS Rare" comment here.
beelzebozo
Jealous Bastard
meltpotato said:
from gamespot (http://www.gamespot.com/xbox360/strategy/vivapinata/news.html?sid=6150567&mode=previews):
from ign (http://xbox360.ign.com/articles/707/707561p1.html):
the populating of animals is actually pretty key to the game, and one of the goals, so i think you're right in that this isn't something that will be purchased. but designing your garden with fountains and things of that nature that will be conducive to attracting more animals will be purchased with this "chocolate money" bought through xbox live marketplace. so.. i donnu.
meltpotato
Member
beelzebozo said:
ugh. well, "thanks". I'm not interested in the game, but it is a shame to see real-world buying as a part of what effects gameplay in an integral way. scratch shame and replace with shameful.
beelzebozo said:
So let me get this straight. I pay my REAL money to buy "Xbox Live points" or whatever they're called to buy "chocolate money" which can only be used in Viva Pinata in order to buy items within the game -- items that attract more pinatas to come to my in-game island.
WOW. That is retarded on so many levels.
atomsk said:
Lame and contrived. =\ I liked the first two panels, though.
beelzebozo
Jealous Bastard
Danthrax said:
sustained by glue
they empty your wallet for you
pin-ya-tah
gotta buy 'em all
Suikoguy
I whinny my fervor lowly, for his length is not as great as those of the Hylian war stallions
Danthrax said:
It could be worse.. you could turn your Money into Xbox Live Points, which you use to buy Chocolate Money, which can be used to play Minigames (a la Casino) to win chocolate tokens that can be used to buy various pinata.
beelzebozo
Jealous Bastard
Suikoguy said:
double dragon --> battletoads
mario 64 --> banjo kazooie
zelda: oot --> star fox adventures
rare always has their feelers out, if past instances are indicative
Ninja Scooter
Member
i don't know why people always bring up Halo. Halo was the exception. For every Halo i can name you 100 games that were crap at E3 and STAYED crap when they were released.
beelzebozo
Jealous Bastard
Ninja Scooter said:
yeah, i don't see the argument, either. halo was still useless when it was released
Ford Prefect
GAAAAAAAAY
That's what I thought was going to happen.BorkBork said:
Simply put, I still want the game.
But, I'm easy to please, most recently I've been having a good time playing SiN Episodes which most people put as mediocre and even have been having an ok time with Castlevania: Curse of Darkness which most people spit on (heck, even I spat on it before I played it, but its really no different than Lament, just Hector runs slower than Leon and the rooms/hallways have been double-sized).
But, I'm easy to please, most recently I've been having a good time playing SiN Episodes which most people put as mediocre and even have been having an ok time with Castlevania: Curse of Darkness which most people spit on (heck, even I spat on it before I played it, but its really no different than Lament, just Hector runs slower than Leon and the rooms/hallways have been double-sized).
Ninja Scooter
Member
<nu>faust said:
you'll never know if you have to ask.
beelzebozo
Jealous Bastard
Ark-AMN said:
i liked lament just fine, but this seems like a silly change.
Oh I'm not defending those parts, I was pointing those out as the stupid mistakes they made. Though everything else is actually better than Lament (especially the weapon systems and the non-hub game world), those two mistakes alone hurt them more than the helpful changes they made.beelzebozo said:
beelzebozo
Jealous Bastard
Ark-AMN said:
yeah, i didn't think you were defending it, man. just opening it up for conversation. i'm glad you're enjoying it though. i may pick it up, actually. i miss castlevania.
i still want too human as well. if nothing else, i need to play it and enforce/dispel the notion that silicon knights had as much to do with the polish of eternal darkness as nintendo.
siamesedreamer
Banned
It took them two months to come up with that shit?
Weak.....
Weak.....
I'm sure you can find it cheap-bargain-bin now, I got my brand new copy for about $15 over Half.com.
It's not bad, but it could have been so much better. I'm torn now if I want IGA to try another 3D Castlevania. There's a possibility he could get it right eventually, but when he gets it wrong, it really hurts.
It's not bad, but it could have been so much better. I'm torn now if I want IGA to try another 3D Castlevania. There's a possibility he could get it right eventually, but when he gets it wrong, it really hurts.
beelzebozo
Jealous Bastard
Ark-AMN said:I'm sure you can find it cheap-bargain-bin now, I got my brand new copy for about $15 over Half.com.
It's not bad, but it could have been so much better. I'm torn now if I want IGA to try another 3D Castlevania. There's a possibility he could get it right eventually, but when he gets it wrong, it really hurts.
i just think he's trying to force 2d sensibilities (repetitive hallways, thematic area design, etc.) on to a 3d game, and it doesn't fly. you know?
i'm ready for him to hand it over to someone else who can do something unique with the series again.
Duckhuntdog
Member
I like SK, and I like Mr. Dyack. I think the problem lies along the lines that SK lacks the technical skill to carry out their visions. Or, more to the point, their visions outstrip their ability to create them. They dream big-- too big, for their own good.
A three part game planned before the sales of the first are accounted for? In this day and age of uber-expensive development, one should focus on making sure the first game performs above expectations; all the while having little inklings in the back of your mind about the remaining two parts. See how the chips fall and then go from there.
Also, focus. SK seems to talk about projects that aren't even on the radar, let alone will be seen in the next 5 years. As much as one likes to hear what is coming next, focus on what is coming now.
Lastly, this all leads back to Nintendo and MS. It is strange, scary perhapes, that Nintendo seems to be able to "call it" when it comes to their second party developers. It is like they just know when to hand them off to become someone else's problem to deal with. Also just as scary is how quickly MS jumps on those studios and picks them up. Almost as if they don't stop and think to themselves, "Why would Nintendo want to sell them to us, or drop them...?"
Nintendo's decisions, while at the time had everyone yelling and screaming what stupid moves they were, are all starting to make better sense now and makes their decisions more acceptable. They made the right calls.
But according to Dyack things are still good between them and Nintendo. Is there a Wii dev kit with SK's name on it? Perhapes the hardware will help SK to tone down the grand vision into something they can actually handle.
Or of course Nintendo could just being acting nice and really have no interest in working with them again.
A three part game planned before the sales of the first are accounted for? In this day and age of uber-expensive development, one should focus on making sure the first game performs above expectations; all the while having little inklings in the back of your mind about the remaining two parts. See how the chips fall and then go from there.
Also, focus. SK seems to talk about projects that aren't even on the radar, let alone will be seen in the next 5 years. As much as one likes to hear what is coming next, focus on what is coming now.
Lastly, this all leads back to Nintendo and MS. It is strange, scary perhapes, that Nintendo seems to be able to "call it" when it comes to their second party developers. It is like they just know when to hand them off to become someone else's problem to deal with. Also just as scary is how quickly MS jumps on those studios and picks them up. Almost as if they don't stop and think to themselves, "Why would Nintendo want to sell them to us, or drop them...?"
Nintendo's decisions, while at the time had everyone yelling and screaming what stupid moves they were, are all starting to make better sense now and makes their decisions more acceptable. They made the right calls.
But according to Dyack things are still good between them and Nintendo. Is there a Wii dev kit with SK's name on it? Perhapes the hardware will help SK to tone down the grand vision into something they can actually handle.
Or of course Nintendo could just being acting nice and really have no interest in working with them again.
AdmiralViscen
Banned
Duckhuntdog said:
You're looking at it the wrong way. The plan is to get people to charge $60 three times, to compensate for the uber-expensive development.
Nintendo didn't own SK, and SK chose to leave Nintendo on their own. Also, we don't know for a fact that SK is the next Rare. Also, SK was never as good as Rare to begin with.
sp0rsk said:
qft like i still really enjoy GRAW and i downloaded the maps but looking back its like shit i just paid 75 bucks for one game god dammit
shit like this just makes me want to go out and get a ps2 and catch up on all the stuff i missed while i was off in xbox/pc/gcn land, and if you think about it buying a ps2 + games will actually be cheaper in the long run because i can easily see people shelling out 300 bucks on microtransaction shit easily in a year or two
AlphaSnake
...and that, kids, was the first time I sucked a dick for crack
Wow...people are still excited about Too Human? I remember when it was announced for the PlayStation. This is the console world's Duke Nukem Forever.
The game's gone through 3 consoles, I believe. PS, GameCube, Xbox and now 360? Or did it go to 360 from GC?
The game's gone through 3 consoles, I believe. PS, GameCube, Xbox and now 360? Or did it go to 360 from GC?
<nu>faust said:
hmmm, i remember being blown away the first time i saw halo unvieled for the xbox. of course it was being played by someone at bungie on an incomplete testing version of silent cartographer (at gdc prior to e3?). i also remember seeing multiplayer vids from e3 and thinking it looked pretty good.
can anyone link to any bad videos of this halo e3 showing, or was it just MS hate?
Gearharaden
Banned
AlphaSnake said:
DUKE NUKEM FOREVER IS COMING OUT AND IT WILL ROCK THE WORLD
BELIEVE -cries self to sleep-
Duckhuntdog said:
While Nintendo never owned SK, they did in a sense hand them out and you can really see why now. Dyack claimed they had different philosophies on producing games that just could not coincide anymore; namely the large budget games SK wished to be producing which for the large part depended on being very storyline driven and extensive, "highbudget" cutscenes.
Nintendo would see this as a potentially huge resource drain on a completely unproven IP, particularly with hack and slash, action gameplay. Their ideals of gameplay first, story second would have them seriously regreting a huge budget on a game with generaly basic gameplay just for an overdone storyline and bloated cinemas. Plus with their previous track record of sales figures on their Nintendo console games, of course it would be denied, and in doing so would be a denial of SK's dream and forcing them to go out and find new friends.
E3, while not truely proving anything about how it will turn out in the long run, reinforced my belief that if they really have a story to tell produce a movie, comic book, novel, or something without sticking choppy gameplay inbetween.
Man I feel bad for these guys cause they really don't get a fair shake but it's their own fault. Not having control over Losing the Legacy of Kain IP. A survival horror title on a Nintendo system seems almost destined for failure. Then getting shoved on to Twin Snakes which was great but not at the expense of an original game of quality. Now they're finally bringing out Too Human, a game that's been on the backburner since PSX and always sounded cool. They announce it as a trilogy for a publisher that isn't afraid to pull the plug. Bad press at E3 and bad control but good camera I hear. I'm just not liking their chances no matter how much I would love to hear the epic tale they have to tell I'm not convinced I'll want to play it. *cough*Xenosaga*cough*
Gearharaden
Banned
D3VI0US said:
I think you got controls and camera mixed. The camera was wonky as hell, but I hear the controls were pretty tight.
Gearharaden
Banned
I just wish Too Human was executer differently. Way to **** up an awesome plot by using UT-Guy as your main character.
I thought the main character of Too Human was going to be this badass looking guy with like wires and antennae shooting out of his back and have like some robotic parts and partly human, that's the whole image I got from upgrading a human body with technology, but they made all the characters in the giant Unreal Tournament-esque suits which is so stupid.
****ing SK, man. All they are is a really big PR team.
I thought the main character of Too Human was going to be this badass looking guy with like wires and antennae shooting out of his back and have like some robotic parts and partly human, that's the whole image I got from upgrading a human body with technology, but they made all the characters in the giant Unreal Tournament-esque suits which is so stupid.
****ing SK, man. All they are is a really big PR team.
Nah. Neither were good. The fact is for me having melee attacks mapped to the right stick simplified fighting to the point you might as well not bother playing. The visuals were actually very good and had a more unique feel than most people give it credit for, but with the camera you had to practically press your face to the monitor to see them.Gearharaden said:
typhonsentra
Banned
More research:
Looking through his work on his site, he really didn't do much in his time over at Game Critics. Looking through his reviews though, he only gives above an 8 to games on non-Sony systems (The 3 highest reviewed Playstation games from him with an 8 are GT2, Strider 2, and ESPN The Games MLS). Chu Chu Rocket is his highest reviewed game with a perfect score.
Looking further, I found his personal site:
http://www.hoppercool.com/
There you will see that after he left the site, he went to school at DigiPen and moved on (Surprise, surprise) to Nintendo where he worked for all of 3 months!
Looking through his work on his site, he really didn't do much in his time over at Game Critics. Looking through his reviews though, he only gives above an 8 to games on non-Sony systems (The 3 highest reviewed Playstation games from him with an 8 are GT2, Strider 2, and ESPN The Games MLS). Chu Chu Rocket is his highest reviewed game with a perfect score.
Looking further, I found his personal site:
http://www.hoppercool.com/
There you will see that after he left the site, he went to school at DigiPen and moved on (Surprise, surprise) to Nintendo where he worked for all of 3 months!
AgentOtaku
Member
I'm still optomistic 