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People who value dog's life over a human life
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Why is it funny?
awwwwwweeeee.. when the dog licked your face did it make you feel better? Did the dog's saliva cure you?
Sounds to me that you have to high expectations from your dog to drive you to the hospital.
fuzzyreactor
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then the dog will promptly wag its tail in excitement.
Treefingers
Member
I know! I was just playing
On the topic of your actual original question I agree that's a retarded thing to say and makes no logical sense.
"That's cute".
I'm not going to presume to know you or your values but chances are that you value human life very little. None of us do. I mean, we do, but we also have a huge blindspot for human suffering. The clothes you're wearing, the electronics you use, the billions of starving people around the world etc. All of these things should bother us more but they don't.
I tried to think about it and I honestly don't know what I'd do in a hypothetical situation where it's my dog vs. stranger.
AbortedWalrusFetus
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You can have your comparison, they are both pets. You just put more value on one pet than the other pet, just like I put more value on some of my possessions than other possessions.
Treefingers
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Dogs can be feral too. They're not putting on a show of pain and fear for our benefit, those experiences really do exist in their little minds and it shouldn't be ok to abuse them.
If we're judging lives by what they can potentially provide for you or others, then a dog will hardly come top. Unless it's something like working police dog vs. crazed killer with a gun.
I never said animal rights are "utterly unimportant" or that we should "abandon all animal cruelty laws". Stop putting words in my mouth. I said that I love animals. I just don't think we can really make huge strides until bigger human issues are dealt with. We can work on them a little but I don't think many people will be able to handle huge change on the animal rights front until we face issues that are a much bigger deal to the people we know and love as opposed to the animals we know and love.
Snowman Prophet of Doom
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So basically... because a dog is less capable than a human, it should be less valued. As somebody said, dogs love you enough that if they COULD travel across the country to see you in a bad situation, they would. But he's a dog, so he can't. Yet, there are plenty of people who also couldn't, so by that argument, they end up on the same level as the dog.
See what happens when you try to cynically boil relationships down to who loves who more? Some people value pets as much as people in terms of friendship, and to denigrate that because it doesn't apply to your personal situation makes you sound like an asshole.
cutmeamango
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I'd save my friends over your friends.
They would say: "We drove 200+ miles when our friend shattered his shoulder"
I'd say: "Hey Paul, grab Lady and lets go!"
And she would wiggle her tiny tail.
humans don't go around licking each other... at least I hope they don't.
Do they? Remember that girl in China?
By the way, how does saying people do it too counteract the argument? You think because we already have people helping people and being nice to people, dogs doing the same are useless and should just be exterminated?
Angry Fork
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Would you save a K9 dog or Charles Manson?
AbortedWalrusFetus
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No... human medicine does.
They'd probably get it. I refuse to believe that the vast majority of humanity can be that out of touch.
Because is a pack animal that 'loves you unconditionally'.
A dog is a dog. When people make sacrifices, leave work, use their hard earned money to make sure that you're okay - it means a lot more than someone licking my face.
But if that is weighted the same to you. Cool. Have fun with your dog for all of 12 years.
fuzzyreactor
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But why is having a connection with a dog where you value that connection over others a "deep rooted social issue"? When my dog dies of cancer it hit me harder than that of one of my grandparents passing. To you this must seem like i am insane but it is the truth as I had more of a connection with my dog than I had with my grand parent.
LOL, ok buddy. You can keep living in your fantasy world where you have no way to justify your ridiculous arguments that you just call other people trolls when you are totally called out and you have no way to counter it. This whole thread is nothing more than something to get a rise out of people which is exactly what you got. Good job man.
Byakuya769
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You're crazy. Species go extinct all the time. Deal with it.
Angry Fork
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I swear on my life that if the 0.00000000005% chance there was ever a situation where someone had the chance of either saving their dog or me, and they saved their dog. I would understand. I would feel like shit obviously, but I wouldn't harbor ill feelings toward him.
Going to keep dodging the question? K9 dog or Charles Manson, who do you save?
It a moot point because they brought up "dogs help people!" - well people help people too. A lot more.
Arguing for dummies.
"Would save X or WorstcaseimaginableY? HMMMM?"
But I responded... I said it was more heinous. What? Seems like you are trying to get a rise out of me... I was not trying to get a rise out of anybody. It was a legit thread.
Yeah because you would be dead.
Snowman Prophet of Doom
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Humans can also *gasp* fuck you over, too! Sure, human relationships are more complex; nobody here is denying that. But that means that relationships with other human beings entail plenty of negative emotions as well, whereas a relationship with a dog is pretty much nothing but pure happiness. It's not a "deep-rooted social issue" but a logical outcropping of the emotional relationships that a person has had.
Alligatorjandro
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I like dogs.I guess I like humans too.
But who would let me rub their belly first?
But who would let me rub their belly first?
Count of Monte Sawed-Off
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They both suck. I won't play your game. My dog is dead now, but when she was alive I certainly valued her life against most humans. Outside of family/close friends and children, if it was my dog's life against someone else's, that person is probably fucked.
Fortunately that type of situation will never happen.
Yeah it would suck, but I can't really be to pissed at someone who would act the same way I would. Some would call that poetic justice.
Fortunately that type of situation will never happen.
Yeah it would suck, but I can't really be to pissed at someone who would act the same way I would. Some would call that poetic justice.
Angry Fork
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I have a larger point to make, but it requires you answer the question first.
Who would you save? K9 dog or Charles Manson? It's a simple question which one? I can answer it very easily so should you.
Except the moment before death when I see him save the dog first, which is what we're talking about...
Oh.. they don't? I've been doing it wrong....
Salacious Crumb
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You can take comfort in the fact that it's extremely unlikely anyone in this thread will find themselves in a situation where they're forced to choose between a strangers life and their dogs.
Here's something just as unlikely:
If you could only save one who would you save?
Your girlfriend/boyfriend/wife/husband/mother/father/whatever, or a doctor on the verge of curing all forms of cancer. Only he alone can complete this cure, if he dies the cure is gone.
Hypotheticals are fun.
I think that everyone has deep rooted social issues and not only the dog owners that would save their pet in front of a stranger
Byakuya769
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Few people would want to save Manson, period.
krypt0nian
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Easily. Not a question in my mind.
lol kid
you can blow that little "SO YOU HATE AMERRICUH?" shit out your ass.
Do you see any of the "people > dogs" people bringing up cases where dog maims a baby? No. Same fucking case. Save it. And learn what describes the shitty point you're trying to make.
fuzzyreactor
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I had the same thing occur in my life. My dog died of cancer and my Grandpa died of other causes. I was never close to my GP and very close to my dog. I grew up with that dog. While the dogs death might have affected me more emotionally than my GP I am still able to see the pain the my GP death caused my dad and his family and that by no means is my dogs life worth the same value. Seems this topic is basically boiling down to how selfish a person is.
Mammoth Jones
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I personally think the Vick thing was a bit overblown. Yea, he damn sure fucked up. But he's also paid his debt to society and has shown remorse for his actions. The rampant hate that the man continues to get is beyond me.
I say this from the perspective that a dogs life isn't as valuable as a humans. As far as Chris Brown...he seems to still be acting like a whiny bitch. But Rihanna seems to have forgiven him and put it past them....so it is what it is.
I think there are MUCH worse people for us to be focusing on rather than these two.
I say this from the perspective that a dogs life isn't as valuable as a humans. As far as Chris Brown...he seems to still be acting like a whiny bitch. But Rihanna seems to have forgiven him and put it past them....so it is what it is.
I think there are MUCH worse people for us to be focusing on rather than these two.
Deified Data
Banned
This. The two scenarios hardly warrant a comparison.
Angry Fork
Member
I want to see him say that and accept that so I can continue that's all.
So you're not going to answer? Why not? It's really a simple question I don't see the big deal.
Snowman Prophet of Doom
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You're coming off like a condescending asshole with no empathy for anybody who doesn't share your worldview with regards to the "animals vs. people" question.
Yet thus far, in this thread, humans must necessarily be valued more highly... just because they're a human, and if you don't agree, then you have deeply rooted social issues.
The question in the OP is derived from this but not directly applicable. We are expanding our horizons here folks. The concept came up due to the post.
AbortedWalrusFetus
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It means you have deep rooted social issues because of your hideously insular worldview, lack of empathy, lack of moral regard toward members of your community, and a twisted logic as to the intrinsic value of the things around you. The hurt you felt when your dog died is probably not one tenth of what someone would feel if their close family member died. And yet you're so selfish that you would actively spare yourself some little hurt at the expense of another human being who would feel so much more. The only thing that concerns you, by your own admission, is how you yourself felt. That's the whole crux of the issue.
Some in this thread claim that others are sociopaths because they say "you can just get a new dog." They know that you can't just replace it, but they know the full breadth and depth of human suffering when it comes to the loss of a loved one. They know that an animal, simple and of basic intelligence isn't capable of the same kind of achievement or development of relationships that humans are capable of. People who say that humans don't have more value than other animals are also objectively wrong. In reality, nature is dictated by the principle of the survival of the fittest, and there is intrinsic value in being the fittest despite whether or not it fits in your simplistic worldview. Humans aren't just the top of the food chain, they are the only species, perhaps in the entire universe, capable of progressing socially and technologically and they deserve their position on the pedestal.
Treefingers
Member
If I save my dog instead of another human does medicine magically disappear? How do human society's achievements factor into this at all?
fuzzyreactor
Banned
him saying that would do little for your argument.
Do you know what its called when you go from X vs Y to "well, what about X vs worstcaseimaginableY?"
Do you know what it makes you look like?
Wendel Clark
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Yup, there are some really confused/dumb people in this world.
krypt0nian
Banned
Some of you assholes are why I'd save my dog first.
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