Byakuya769
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Cause we don't care. We only care about the personalized relationship we created for them, and the companionship they were created to give our lonely souls.
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People who value dog's life over a human life
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Cause we don't care. We only care about the personalized relationship we created for them, and the companionship they were created to give our lonely souls.
Honestly if my pet pig Porky was falling off a cliff and at the same time a bus full of children were falling over I think I'd pick Porky cause he's been with me through some rough times and I didn't turn him into bacon eventhough I had many chances, and frankly there are a lot of brats out there.
krypt0nian
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Nothing ironic about it. Attacked left and right ITT by judgemental assholes. Point blank.
Angry Fork
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1. Bill Gates.
2. Red Cross isn't a person, you can't save it from a burning building. If these feral wolves were attacking people I'd "pick" Red Cross over them but there's no ultimatum. Doesn't make sense.
3. I'm not sure if this is asking who I like/care about more or who I'd 'save' first. I don't particularly like Oprah but I'd likely save her first because there are many employed by her through her companies/businesses and rely on her to make ends meet. I'd feel very bad for the pit bull but it would likely be euthanized anyway if it was vicious and attacked infants/people.
See? I can answer them fine. Why can't you answer? I've even answered for you and then asked more questions pertaining to each choice, you could just answer those instead if you like.
DY_nasty
^Since this guy has dodged my question out of cowardice I'm going to answer for him with both possible choices. The question was who would he save if given a choice, a K9 dog or Charles Manson?
1. If he chooses Charles Manson I have to ask why and see what kind of defense he puts up.
2. If he chooses K9, then at that point he has to accept that SOME dogs have value over SOME humans. This kills the argument that all humans > all dogs. Then I would ask if he chose the K9 dog because it does more for people than Manson, why does what an animal does for humans determine it's value? Why does a dog's life only matter if it can help out a bunch of people? Wouldn't you consider THAT to be selfish?
But you left on a post where you imposed a judgement on people so it was just a very odd way to make a point.
Count of Monte Sawed-Off
un33dab@dpu$$y
They don't care about blood relatives the way we do. Plus, in the end it generally winds up in a better life for the dog.
Metroid Killer
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It is one of the cruel aspects of owning pets. You have to compensate for the loss (wether you bought a puppy, or are the owner of the litter's mother) in some way. It's pretty clear that dogs (at least from my experience) enter a state of depression after the seperation. It goes over rather quickly which I guess is the answer to why we do still do it.
Geez, I wouldn't want to be one of your pets.
Treefingers
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Cept I never said that. I said I care about my dog more than a stranger. Because I know my dog and don't know the stranger. I still care about my fellow human beings and yes I still care about strangers.
It's as simple as this: I value those close to me more than those not close to me. My dog is close to me. I value him more than someone not close to me.
I'm sure you value your family members more than people not close to you. I'm the same, just throw my dog in there as well. Am I suddenly the bane of human civilization?
Edit: MThanded that's a really interesting question.
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If we care so much for pets so much why do we forcefully separate them from their siblings and parents. I never really understood that.
I understand thats how it works but its really odd if you think about it. Whether we want to admit it or not owning pets is a very self serving endeavor.
Also people who say pets are "with me through thick and thin"... they have no choice. They can't move out and get a job.
If we care so much for pets so much why do we forcefully separate them from their siblings and parents. I never really understood that.
I understand thats how it works but its really odd if you think about it. Whether we want to admit it or not owning pets is a very self serving endeavor.
Also people who say pets are "with me through thick and thin"... they have no choice. They can't move out and get a job.
Byakuya769
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Now I'm done.
Angry Fork
Member
LOL
Way to act like you're right and then run away whenever an argument is presented (actually you don't run away you just dodge it and then say hurr hurr you're so dumb).
Salacious Crumb
Junior Member
It's surprising to me that other people are surprised by how little some people care for human life, Most people would prefer to buy an iPad than improve/save a strangers life.
Byakuya769
Member
Luckily for you, we cannot purchase humans and keep them as pets. I wonder why, all lives being equal?
Not smart to humanize a dog, see..they don't really live in the past like we do.
They are simple, they follow a couple of rules and that's it. Sure you have to be careful, but you know the fun thing about a dog?
He won't kill for sport. He won't fuck with who you are. He doesn't suddenly decide that it will be interesting to grab a camera, and have a companion use the camera to film him smashing a cat's head with his high heel.
Simple stuff like that never happens. And that's awesome, if people can't see that then they are too hooked up on that human kool aid.
krypt0nian
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If you are attacking me for my value system, you are being an asshole. No judgement placed. Unless calling a rose red is as well.
I in turn don't give two shits about your handling of this situation personally. Save whomever you like.
You make a good point. If dogs are equally as valuable as humans then why do we keep them as pets? Slavery is not legal.
ZombieSupaStar
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I'd save a random person over a dog, however if it was possible to know beforehand if a person was a piece of shit or not, that could sway my decision. I wouldn't piss on Vick if he was on fire.
This is what I don't understand. People in here state the same thing as the above and get attacked over it. Why is what Treefingers says somehow horribly misguided and selfish. Random stranger and mom, most will pick mom. Random stranger and dad, most will pick dad. Is it that shocking that dogs play such an important role in people's lives that they would consider them members of their family? To continue these stupid hypotheticals that lead to name calling all over, lets have a 60 year old spinster with no friends but her pets. Does her choosing her pets, the only companionship she has in her life over another that disgusting of a choice?
Byakuya769
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Umm, you're on dog koolaid. Dogs are simply the result of what they are made for. You'll be singing the same songs about robots in a few decades as well.
You still haven't looked up what that's called have you?
Metroid Killer
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Read my post as in 'I wouldn't want to be a dog/cat/chicken/bear of yours if your love/empathy towards them is limited to the personalized relationship you create for them.'
Count of Monte Sawed-Off
un33dab@dpu$$y
Or how about this? Humans have created dogs to be pack animals reliant on humans. Yet most humans are not willing to support a pack of dogs, so it's necessary for the dog to have a chance to live a good life. Also, after one night puppies generally don't remember their blood relatives and are fine with their new surroundings. The bonds they form while maturing are the ones that matter to them.
Because in this world we've made, they can not survive on their own. They're likely to get run over, shot by some redneck for wondering onto their farm, or killed by some wild animal.
This same animals being equal to humans argument was recently used by PETA over whales in sea world. The Daily Show skewered them hard over it.
http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/wed-february-15-2012/seaworld-of-pain
This video says more than I could ever say.
If you value humans over dogs but you have a pet dog.... how does that work?
http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/wed-february-15-2012/seaworld-of-pain
This video says more than I could ever say.
If you value humans over dogs but you have a pet dog.... how does that work?
Treefingers
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Other animals ≠ MY dog
another person ≠ a stranger
Really not that hard man.
Ghost_Protocol
Member
Come on, aside from a small percentage of fanatics, most people value human lives over animal lives.
Feral dogs do survive in the wild.
Metroid Killer
Member
You do realize that no one is saying(at least not what I have observed) that animals are equal to human lives. People are syaing that their own animal means more to them than strangers.
CornBurrito
Member
Question: Do you value your electronics over the lives of human beings?
You'll of course say "yes" but then why do you continue using and buying electronics when you know very well that they are produced by third world slave labor?
They don't consider themselves fanatics. Also they all post on GAF apparently.
You could also say that a human is not a conscious being.
There is exactly as much evidence for a human being conscious as there is for a dog or a roach or a tree.
There is no definition of consciousness, no known physical mechanism that brings about consciousness, and no way to detect consciousness. The only thing that you can know for certain is conscious is you.
Salacious Crumb
Junior Member
Most people don't care about anything's life outside of their friends, family and celebrities.
Byakuya769
Member
Your dog is another kind of animal, and a stranger is another person. How are you this dense?
I see how this goes.
1. I answer no
2. You show some article relating to Foxconn.
You so clever.
What tune?
I don't value random dogs over random people. I just understand it. If you don't, then you need to open your eyes.
Also, the robot comparison was so wild and so out there, so stupid, I don't even know how to follow up on that.
Angry Fork
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What do you mean by forcefully separate? Like physically if a dog tries to say hi to someone else or you mean figuratively in the sense that animals are given a different title/name. It is a self serving endeavor I don't disagree with that, it's not like they're born into your family unless your dog has babies or something you usually actively go out and 'get' a dog from somewhere. Still a relationship builds over time and it's personal value increases because of that relationship.
I don't feel all dogs = all humans. Some dogs are more valuable than some humans, and some humans are more valuable than some dogs. It depends who the person is and what the dog's relationship is to it's owner.
The reason people have pet animals is because they're domesticated and will lead better lives with a responsible loving 'owner'. They aren't capable of the same complex thought humans are and don't have existential philosophical thoughts about free will, totalitarianism, etc. I wouldn't exactly be surprised if some animals are capable of things like revenge, since many are capable of loyalty, but it doesn't get much further than that. I don't advocate people owning wild animals though (unless the population was dwindling and they needed to keep some in captivity to breed).
I'll look it up if you answer my question. Right now I don't need to though since it has no bearing on this discussion.
If robot AI ever becomes smart enough to where they think they're alive and deserve love/compassion without being programmed to do it somehow, I would be on their side.
krypt0nian
Banned
The same way people care for their children. They don't own them do they?
My dogs are not my pets. They are my charges, my responsibility. I certainly don't own them beyond society's laws.
Metroid Killer
Member
If my dog somehow could communicate with me that it was unhappy as my companion I would let it off to a better place. As it is right now, I'm pretty much 100% sure that my dog is happy with its situation.
Every human on the face of the earth (family, friends, enemies, strangers)
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Every animal on the face of the earth
**Are people in this thread serious about the fact that if a dog and a human were both about to die and you only had the opportunity to save one of them that you would choose the dog???
Would you do the same for a raccoon, rabbit, or deer? Do you somehow have more attachment to domesticated animals than you do towards your fellow human beings?
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Every animal on the face of the earth
**Are people in this thread serious about the fact that if a dog and a human were both about to die and you only had the opportunity to save one of them that you would choose the dog???
Would you do the same for a raccoon, rabbit, or deer? Do you somehow have more attachment to domesticated animals than you do towards your fellow human beings?
Count of Monte Sawed-Off
un33dab@dpu$$y
So you're saying that every dog should be a feral dog? That we have millions of feral dogs running wild? No, they would be murdered. And how long do feral dogs live? Do they lead a better life out there in the wild?
Byakuya769
Member
Over your head? Fair enough.
crimzonflame
Member
I agree.
ChubbyHuggs
Member
I've had my dog for over nine years, I have more of a connection with him than some random stranger. If you would seriously throw away 9 years worth of nurturing over the fact that he's a dog then I think something is wrong with you.
http://vimeo.com/8191217
http://vimeo.com/8191217
CornBurrito
Member
So basically you have no actual justification for using electronics. It just so happens that that particular human suffering is out of site, so you don't give a flying fuck about it.
I don't see how its that far off. Dogs love you unconditionally. Fill in a void as a companion for some as well.
In 20-30 years, someone will roll out a machine that does that even better.
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