Stone Ocean
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It's not crazy and it's a possibility she'll turn human eventually regardless, I'm just have zero reason to believe that character is human Morg.
As I see it, that's either a raccoon or fox themed character, not a cat.
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As I see it, that's either a raccoon or fox themed character, not a cat.
Hibiki Kurosawa
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They have three sections in the trailer that are similarly animated and in each one all 4 characters show up once each, except Morgana in the first one. In her place is this "mystery" person, which is why I think it's Morgana.
dnabro and i are locked into a fierce battle of wills. it's all about who's gonna blink first, man.
The MC would figure out his cat was a human lady in the first battle when she's the only one who can't transform from a supercat into a persona. or check the menu labeled "personas". this only works if her persona has a persona. and if "transforming into personas" is actually a mechanic in this.
y'all are making a lot of assumptions with this theory!
also, this.
"More than two"
It's a teaser trailer, the Fox/Raccoon character is there to tease us so we go "who is that?" "What's their role?" Etc etc. It's simple but intriguing.
If it's just another form of Morgana that would be a really boring letdown and waste of a good tease. Why so cryptically and briefly show a quick cut of another form of a character we already know about? There no good reason to do so.
It's not like the trailer's ends with the MC's transformation which brings up a lot of interesting questions and ideas about what it means. It's just a simple very brief and quick tease.
If it's just another form of Morgana that would be a really boring letdown and waste of a good tease. Why so cryptically and briefly show a quick cut of another form of a character we already know about? There no good reason to do so.
It's not like the trailer's ends with the MC's transformation which brings up a lot of interesting questions and ideas about what it means. It's just a simple very brief and quick tease.
Perfect Cha0s
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Wait, so does the Siliconera article confirm that her name is Anne? Or are they just running off of everyone's speculation at this point?
Again, why would you make that connection? It doesn't make any sense. If they showed Morgana jumping off something and it cut to that human character jumping then I'd understand the connection but this is just a character shown without much of any detail for like 2 seconds. Is the tail your only reasoning for thinking Morgana can turn in to a human? If she can why does she not just follow the main character around instead of staying in his bag?
Stone Ocean
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Also forgot to comment on this. The character's colors in that trailer are pretty deliberate to match the style, their clothing being grayscale with the red part of their outfits being highlighted. Anne's costume is entirely red with pink gloves, yet in that part it's shown as completely black sans her mask, whip and the zippers on her catsuit. Same for Ryuji's gloves, which are bright yellow yet show up as black. We don't know if that character's costume is black and white, all we know is that he/she has a red band around the tail.
Ok, this whole Morgana stuff is a really dumb arugment, since we have such little information. However, here's why I don't think they're the same character:
In cat form, the collar is represented in red in the "stylized" scenes, which is echoed by the neckerchief she wears in her cartoony form. Her color scheme is black with white front and back paws. Also, her tail is black with a white tip, something that stays consistent across both of her forms.
The character we see jumping from the roof doesn't have a red neckerchief or anything like that around their neck. They also have black gloves on their hands, not white ones, and their tail is fully white with red stripes at the end.
The two don't match up artistically, but hey, we'll see!
You're mistaking arguments. No one's saying there can't be more than one transformation. Just that the two characters are not the same.
In cat form, the collar is represented in red in the "stylized" scenes, which is echoed by the neckerchief she wears in her cartoony form. Her color scheme is black with white front and back paws. Also, her tail is black with a white tip, something that stays consistent across both of her forms.
The character we see jumping from the roof doesn't have a red neckerchief or anything like that around their neck. They also have black gloves on their hands, not white ones, and their tail is fully white with red stripes at the end.
The two don't match up artistically, but hey, we'll see!
You're mistaking arguments. No one's saying there can't be more than one transformation. Just that the two characters are not the same.
You won't win lol
I don't even know what you're asking, honestly.
I'm saying I don't understand why it's so difficult to fathom Morgan is capable of more than one transformation. Is that like a new rule in fiction? Two forms and no more?
I love the sound of this, maybe the MC will face their own shadow self this time?
AmethystEnd
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Reasoning is thematically sound. That said, I'd be happy with any outcome. Holy shit guys, Persona 5 is coming, and it feels much more tangible than it did when the teaser was released.
This isn't counting plays on my phone, because I forgot to add metadata to the file I put on it.
Before anyone calls me out, I have several thousand listens to Shoji Meguro composed songs; it's just that the metadata isn't consistent with some being in kanji.
It wouldn't be the first time for a Persona MC, so it's definitely possible.
There's no certainty here, no ones trying to say that. And, for the record, I wouldn't be surprised is Morgana does have a human form(though I don't think they'd change her form in the shadow world). But I find it highly unlikely that it's the fox character, for a multitude of reasons, not the least of which is that it's fox themed when Morgana is a cat.
It could go either way. I think it's her, myself, but my point is both outcomes are just as plausible.
I'm asking why you think it is more logical that the unknown figure is a transformation that Morgana can do instead of a new character? I have no clue why you are getting so defensive, either. I'm not trying to be insulting I just want to know.
And there's the reason why I won't be playing this. It actually stopped me from playing Persona 4. I loved the world and the story elements but I just was unable to drag myself through such tedious gameplay. Such a shame because the rest of the game outside the dungeons was fantastic.
I don't put one above the other, I think they're both equally possible outcomes.
Rather late with this, but...
theme foreshadowed during the Gekkoukan trip is little more than supposition.
Getting magical abilities "because plot" isn't how it worked, though, and is atypical with both this and SMT in general (there usually is some explanation for it, regardless of whether the player considers it a likeable one). Yes, obviously games are designed by people, and you are entitled to your opinion that the True End wasn't satisfactory, yet it doesn't make the explanation they did give work less with the rest of the game simply because you didn't like it. The idea that they could've gone with something completely different from the
Izanagi and Izanami
While possibly a little cliche, I wouldn't be terribly surprised if Morgana was stuck in her cat forms and originally was or could transform into a human. And her sin/guilt/whatever is what has caused her to be stuck in this form as penance. Could be done well or could just be nonsense.
Thinking the same thing because of this:
I actually think this scene might be the MC manifesting his Persona for the first time. P3's MC looked equally nuts/ominous the first time he manifests. Especially given the sound effect at the end of that quick scene.
AmethystEnd
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It didn't register for me, either, until someone pointed it out to me but they explicitly said in the Famitsu interview that the sound effect for summoning a Persona is no longer that sound. I'd imagine they said that kind of purposefully since they know that the trailer has been picked apart and put back together many, many times.
The Shadow eyes makes me think differently. Definitely him summoning his Persona though. I'm just going to take a guess and say it deals somewhat with that 7 deadly sins thing.
The eyes, man, not the smirk are what make me think it's a shadow.
Persona 2 also had shadow selves for the record, red eyes though.
Also, I haven't seen anyone talk about this since the teaser from last year but in that trailer (here) between 0:43-0:45 there are 3 portraits (well, eyes anyways) that flash on the screen on the towards the back right. One looks like a black haired girl, second seems to be Ryuji and 3rd seems to be a dark haired guy, doesn't quite look like the MC.
I wonder if the figure is one of those two.
I tried making a gif but the quality is balls.
I wonder if the figure is one of those two.
I tried making a gif but the quality is balls.
"because plot" is basically the explanation you're given for having access to the velvet room in persona 4.
Pretty sure that the ones in P2 had gold eyes as well, IIRC.The eyes, man, not the smirk are what make me think it's a shadow.
Persona 2 also had shadow selves for the record, red eyes though.
EDIT: Reviewing, yeah, actually they look more red. The exception being the JP covers.
Thinking the same thing because of this:
I find the blood shaped masked interesting. Maybe he ripped his mask off and it took half his face with it. The fire of summoning the persona then burns off the mask- The persona is his new mask now maybe? symbolism or whatever. :B
The really angry facial expression probably ties in with new new onomatapeia for summon. The crack as opposed to the flash suggests a more aggressive mental break. Persona perhaps summoned out of anger or frustration, used to crack open a stagnant life?
Don't forget the other two, Void and Emptiness. I have a feeling those two will be quite important.
Not really. There's an actual catalyst in P4 right at the start of the game. Even though it isn't obvious. Just like signing the contract in P3.
Tinfoilhatsron
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No. We would know it was MorganaHuman ahead of time. Like TeddyHuman, but know we know! The reasoning is to not spoil the rest of the cast, which I would allow.
Thinking the same thing because of this:
I'm gonna say Persona 5 is going full Bleach, and MC has a Shadow side that makes him go berserk that he increasingly struggles to control.
The eyes, man, not the smirk are what make me think it's a shadow.
Persona 2 also had shadow selves for the record, red eyes though.
Persona artists really like interestingly colored eyes. Don't know I'm fully convinced that means there will be shadow-selves in P5 just yet though. Not saying there absolutely won't be. I'll be kind of surprised if they blatantly reuse that plot device in the very next game though.
Ok, that might be different enough to change my mind though. The only problem with it is I have no idea how that would function from a gameplay mechanics standpoint.
you're in the velvet room at the start of the game before any of that happens. something about your ~*subconsciousness*~ crying out or something is how they handwave it away.
I find the blood shaped masked interesting. Maybe he ripped his mask off and it took half his face with it. The fire of summoning the persona then burns off the mask- The persona is his new mask now maybe? symbolism or whatever. :B
The really angry facial expression probably ties in with new new onomatapeia for summon. The crack as opposed to the flash suggests a more aggressive mental break. Persona perhaps summoned out of anger or frustration, used to crack open a stagnant life?
I think it's symbolic of blind rage; Of wrath.
maybe the "mental prison" thing is related to that. If he doesn't break free, that thing gains control.
All speculation of course.
Orgia Mode, basically
Stone Ocean
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That's the thing though, look what I foundPretty sure that the ones in P2 had gold eyes as well, IIRC.
EDIT: Reviewing, yeah, actually they look more red. The exception being the JP covers.
That combined with the crackle right after that scene plays up pretty much convinced me that's supposed to be the MC using Arsene. His eyes go gold because of the new way to use Persona - which we assume is some kind of transformation.
I actually thought so too, then I looked for pictures and all I found were red eyed shadows, beyond EP's box art having the yellow eyes.
Supposedly your shadow is your persona, if that's the case and the characters, as has been speculated, transform into their persona, then it might be that they have a much closer relationship with their shadow selves than the character's in previous personas.
The really angry facial expression probably ties in with new new onomatapeia for summon. The crack as opposed to the flash suggests a more aggressive mental break. Persona perhaps summoned out of anger or frustration, used to crack open a stagnant life?
You know this makes me wonder how they're going to portray the Main character as wrathful if he is supposed to represent wrath. If he's a silent MC that would be rather hard to convey.
StarSketch
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Thinking the same thing because of this:
I'm probably over doing it with the quotes, but I think one of three things is happening here:
Either A: Protag is just facing himself, and they decided to be super dramatic with it.
B: This actually isn't Protag's persona, but an enemy who took his form and is now about to show off his true form.
or C: This is what happens when someone improperly accepts their Shadow, I.E they have absolutely no intention of changing their 'negative' behaviors but still get a Persona. This might also explain the changed sound effect- Everyone else with a Persona faced whatever they needed to face, be it death or themself with the resolve to push forward / change, with the likely exception of
P4's Culprit
My biggest question is, if he's facing himself in any manner, what's with the blood?
Actions speak louder than words, I guess.
Stone Ocean
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> You told Ryuji to shut up
Tinfoilhatsron
Banned
Perhaps a double life or alt. personality. Or his persona fight will be based on wrath or his problem has him needing to overcome 'wrath' in some way.
Shadow selves are a recurrent theme in the series, with Shadows and Personas being two sides of the same coin. And neither Kaneko nor Soejima have used peculiar eye colors without some logic behind it (gold having been reserved for Shadows or the Velvet Room siblings, red occasionally showing up for robots such as Metis and Labrys; even with Ryoji and Teddie,
their human forms have eyes of a comparable shade of blue
Hmm, interesting.