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PES 17 or Fifa 17?

If this years' PES ups the game in presentation and online, I reckon more people will buy it over FIFA. I don't know anyone who buys FIFA these days if not for FUT or Online Clubs and I have a lot of footy friends.
 
I don't think that's necessarily fair. I agree that you're potentially dealing with 'the most casual' audience in many ways but that doesn't always translate to how people focus on the game itself. Or rather, you may have a shit tonne of people who may only buy FIFA and maybe CoD year on year, but many of those people take football gameplay really seriously. The license for FIFA plays a big part, the popularity plays a big part, but that doesn't always account for the significant shift from PES to FIFA.

Basing it on the experience of my group of friends - some of which play games a lot, some of which own a console pretty much just for one football game to play with mates - people switched from PES to FIFA because of the mechanics. I always considered FIFA to be flashier but mechanically a lot worse than PES and that changed - they matched the licenses and glitz with much improved gameplay. You're painting the market who play FIFA as people who simply buy based on what's the most popular - and while that's definitely a factor for many - that's not as widespread as you're making out, I think. PES may be coming back (I really, really hope it's back on form) but over the last few years, a lot of people who love football games and loved PES switched to FIFA for a reason and it's not just based on populism. (Edit: Speaking personally, I like the licenses but stayed away from FIFA because the gameplay sucked. Once it didn't, I nervously switched to FIFA and haven't gone back to PES for about 3 years).

I guess the short version of what I'm saying is that while a load of people who buy FIFA are not necessarily people who are more broadly involved in videogames, a lot of those people are very serious about their football games and don't purchase purely on the basis of popularity. I agree FIFA is a juggernaut, but if PES is legitimately a lot better in gameplay terms and the reviews/social media impressions from the demo etc. point to that, then I'd say you will see a noticeable swing. Sure, maybe most won't, but I know plenty of people who aren't "hardcore gamers" or whatever you wanna call them who will switch back to PES in a second if it's shown to be demonstratively better in '18.

I'll agree it is reductive to say all Fifa fans are there purely for marketing. But I would say it's not true at all that if PES is better, you'd see a swing back. So many other factors go into a popularity of a football game , other than gameplay, that it's nowhere near that simple. And on a broader picture, better gameplay doesn't mean a game will sell - see the countless great games that bomb on Steam as an example.

I'd say it's more a matter of public opinion swaying decisions. People moved away from PES to Fifa in the late 00s because Fifa became the better game and people talked about that. Once they made the switch, as many of us - myself included - did, the broad conversation no longer involved PES in any way, because Fifa's online modes and FUT started to dominate the conversation.

On the topic of reviews/social media discussion - you don't actually have to look very far to find people talking about how much PES is better, even in professional reviews.
 
PES by far. Great fun gameplay. For the first time ever the AI actually learns how you play and starts to defend itself (and attack you) in ways that you dont anticipate. They've been saying this for years but this was the very first time that I felt that. Its easy to win 3 times in a row, but then after the 4th game things get harder and harder.
 
Local coop - PES
Online PvP, co-op etc FIFA

Sadly PES was a joke online last year and the year before. Can't see it getting better either
 
Fifa is coming on switch so I'm getting that. Won't even have to buy another controller.
Haven't touched a football game since World Cup 98 (well ok, Mario Strikers) but lately I've been kinda digging the idea of playing a new one on a handheld.
 
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