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[George Oscar Bluth II]

[Independent] EU referendum: British voters living abroad denied participation due to missing postal votes

Could be a good reason for another referendum.

 

[Zakalwe]

[Independent] EU referendum: British voters living abroad denied participation due to missing postal votes

Could be a good reason for another referendum.

It's definitely a factor to consider here.

And when shit like this is happening we really do need to keep the fight going.

 

[WhateverItTakes]

I signed it. Know it's not gonna do anything but we should be fighting against such a terrible decision. Bigger numbers might just be helpful because its a number they can quote parliament.

 

[MrS]

[Independent] EU referendum: British voters living abroad denied participation due to missing postal votes

Could be a good reason for another referendum.

5 people in the article cited - that's hardly every Brit living abroad, is it? We don't know when they applied for their postal vote. Seems like a non-story.

'Voters in 3 continents' - 3 people LOL.

I signed it. Know it's not gonna do anything but we should be fighting against such a terrible decision. Bigger numbers might just be helpful because its a number they can quote parliament.

It will have to be a bigger number than the total number of leave voters to have any meaning. Can one person sign it more than once using fake email addresess and the like?

 

[kharma45]

5 people in the article cited - that's hardly every Brit living abroad, is it? We don't know when they applied for their postal vote. Seems like a non-story.

Agreed.

 

[Dot-N-Run]

[Independent] EU referendum: British voters living abroad denied participation due to missing postal votes

Could be a good reason for another referendum.

This happened to someone I know. They are not pleased at all that the exit vote won, and frustrated that they didn't get a chance to vote.

 

[Zakalwe]

5 people in the article cited - that's hardly every Brit living abroad, is it? We don't know when they applied for their postal vote. Seems like a non-story.

'Voters in 3 continents' - 3 people LOL.

I know five people personally who it happened to, so there's 8 at least. :3

 

[Gotdatmoney]

This is a nice though but you had about what, 30 million people vote in this referendum? You can't just invalidate all those votes and say "nope, we're doing it again" because people don't like the result or people weren't informed. How many major votes just have do overs? Like "naw we made a mistake, start it all up again!!!!". Not to mention the people signing this petition voted remain.

 

[fhqwhgads]

Just because the world isn't ending doesn't mean there's not going to be big consequences in the future. Saying "Lol just suck it up" when two parts of the UK voted for a vast majority in Remain's favour is not going to make England's situation any better. We're looking at a situation where the UK might no longer exist in 5 years time. But hey let's just give up and let Boris fuck the country up in October right?

 

[kharma45]

I know five people personally who it happened to, so there's 8 at least. :3

Do you know when they applied for their vote? When they decided it got lost in the post? If they applied for another.

 

[Zakalwe]

Do you know when they applied for their vote? When they decided it got lost in the post? If they applied for another.

They tell me that when they found out it was too late to post another, and too late to enact the right to have another vote on their behalf.

This is a nice though but you had about what, 30 million people vote in this referendum? You can't just invalidate all those votes and say "nope, we're doing it again" because people don't like the result or people weren't informed. How many major votes just have do overs? Like "naw we made a mistake, start it all up again!!!!". Not to mention the people signing this petition voted remain.

Just because the world isn't ending doesn't mean there's not going to be big consequences in the future. Saying "Lol just suck it up" when two parts of the UK voted for a vast majority in Remain's favour is not going to make England's situation any better. We're looking at a situation where the UK might no longer exist in 5 years time. But hey let's just give up and let Boris fuck the country up in October right?

Gotdatmoney, I'd respond, but fhqwgads ninja'd me.

 

[Henrar]

This is the true power of The People. There's far too many calls for "sucking it up and accepting the loss". Action is required, not in-action.

Then what was the purpose of the BRexit referendum? You'll basically invalidate everything and tell people that the results of the referendums can be invalidated at any time. This is IMO dangerous precedent.

 

[ramparter]

Guys calm down, if people realize this is for the worst theres a high chance that brexit may be averted, completely democratically. But it wont happen by this petition. It will happen through the elections. And while people shit on Cameron, he actually gave Britons a second chance by resigning.

 

[kharma45]

They tell me that when they found out it was too late to post another, and too late to enact the right to have another vote on their behalf.






Gotdatmoney, I'd respond, but fhqwgads ninja'd me.

That's just very unfortunate then. Postal votes are never going to be 100% reliable, especially when crossing borders and dealing with different postal systems.

 

[Yautja_Warrior]

Over 33 Million people voted - 17,410,742 Million voted "Leave" and 16,141,241 Million voted "Remain" Leave won by over a million votes.

The vote is what it is, we can't just demand a re-vote just because it doesn't go the way we want, that is just childish and not how it works.

 

[Jimbob Smalls]

Yes let's petition for another referendum everytime we lose.

Democracy where are you at?

Worked for Ireland, took them 3 attempts to get the "right" result.

 

[darkwing]

yeah bad idea to have a simple majority in a case like this

 

[Matt]

I'm calling for both, sure.

Even if many voted to leave with educated opinion and honest intent, a significant and winning number were swayed by the media using scare tactics and fearmongering to play on xenophobia and ignorance in general.

Even if we don't get action in this specific instance, we should definitely voice our concerns.

Go ahead, voice your concerns about the vote. Get involved in politics, push for election reform. That's all great, more power to you.

But this vote already happened. The government of the UK said to it's people "we are gonna have a vote, here are the rules, and here is what's going to happen depending on the result." And the people voted, and the leave side won. Arguing about a misinformed public or too low a threshold or anything else is immaterial at this point.

What you are suggesting is an affront to democratic ideals. You are saying we should be able to ignore votes when we disagree with the result, or think little of the people that voted against the position we support.

That I can't agree with.

 

[iNvid02]

i'll sign it, i know it's not going to make any difference, but when the inveitable film gets made about all this, i can at least look back and say 'yeah i signed that'

 

[Zakalwe]

Over 33 Million people voted - 17,410,742 Million voted "Leave" and 16,141,241 Million voted "Remain" Leave won by over a million votes.

The vote is what it is, we can't just demand a re-vote just because it doesn't go the way we want, that is just childish and not how it works.

It's not just about calling for a re-vote though, please read the OP.

Then what was the purpose of the BRexit referendum? You'll basically invalidate everything and tell people that the results of the referendums can be invalidated at any time. This is IMO dangerous precedent.

It's not about invalidating, It's about ensuring an important vote like this doesn't get decided with such a small majority.

As referendums are only guidelines, this isn't like calling for a re-vote on an election which is binding. Of course there are problems with the call, but there are also problems with the way the vote was won and they need to be addressed.

This doesn't mean we should absolutely get a re-vote, but it is essential for us to voice our concerns and show the government and our fellow people where we stand.

Go ahead, voice your concerns about the vote. Get involved in politics, push for election reform. That's all great, more power to you.

But this vote already happened. The government of the UK said to it's people "we are gonna have a vote, here are the rules, and here is what's going to happen depending on the result." And the people voted, and the leave side won. Arguing about a misinformed public or too low a threshold or anything else is immaterial at this point.

What you are suggesting is an affront to democratic ideals. You are saying we should be able to ignore votes when we disagree with the result, or think little of the people that voted against the position we support.

That I can't agree with.

No it's not, a referendum is a guideline. It's not something the government needs to adhere to. If the country calls for a second referendum that's democracy being enacted.

Of course, they're not obliged to act on this either, but it's well within our right to call for it.

 

[Walshicus]

Let it go man.

Democracy was excercised, the vote was to leave.

Ask yourself if remainers would act the same were the results reversed

And we want democracy to be exercised again.

 

[Volimar]

It's funny because after the last vote, Hugh Laurie tweeted "Best two out of three?"



I think that the fact that the Leave dude went on tv the next day and admitted that they lied about using the money for the NHS is ample reason for a new referendum. You got hornswaggled Briton.

 

[cyberheater]

It's not just about calling for a re-vote though, please read the OP.

The rules of the vote were laid out clearly before the referendum.

No one would have entertained a referendum with the rules required by the petition. It's just pie in the sky thinking.

 

[Condom]

If you really want to overturn things and are serious about it you should protest on the streets not write a petition

 

[Gotdatmoney]

Gotdatmoney, I'd respond, but fhqwgads ninja'd me.

By all means try, but holding a 2nd vote really is just saying, "we're not okay with the leave voters choice, do it again".

It's not going to happen.

 

[Arksy]

It's funny because after the last vote, Hugh Laurie tweeted "Best two out of three?"



I think that the fact that the Leave dude went on tv the next day and admitted that they lied about using the money for the NHS is ample reason for a new referendum. You got hornswaggled Briton.

That's not actually what happened. Complete misinformation.

 

[Lucumo]

[Independent] EU referendum: British voters living abroad denied participation due to missing postal votes

Could be a good reason for another referendum.

<100 people not being able to vote because their postal system is dumb?

If you really want to overturn things and are serious about it you should protest on the streets not write a petition

People these days barely do that anywhere. A click here, a click there and we are done.

 

[Volimar]

That's not actually what happened. Complete misinformation.

No really, Hugh Laurie did tweet that.

 

[Zakalwe]

1.7 million signatures.

If you really want to overturn things and are serious about it you should protest on the streets not write a petition

Both are very valid forms of protest, especially as this one goes directly to the government and with 100k votes on any subject they're obligated to discuss it in parliament.

The rules of the vote were laid out clearly before the referendum.

No one would have entertained a referendum with the rules required by the petition. It's just pie in the sky thinking.

Absurd.

Feel free to back it up with educated reasoning.

 

[Lashley]

Hope it happens, but let's be honest, it won't.

And really, it shouldn't. People voted for this.

 

[Dizzy]

This is such a digusting attitude. Suggesting someone elses vote is more important than anothers, and on age.

I mean some people could argue that older people have won the right to vote more than the youth, they've built this country, some fought in wars, they've seen a lot and spent their whole lives voting. Vs University students who haven't nearly lived yet and are as easily led and herded into a pack as old people can be.

I wouldn't say that tho, I'd say every individual is equal when it comes to this. Plenty of 60/70 year olds around that could live another 30 years~

Wasn't 45/50 years 50/50 ish??

This country doesn't belong to the young.

Hey stop that, you know that kind of common sense isn't welcome round here.

Only people who vote what I want have a right to vote. Democracy is only good until it doesn't go my way.

 

[guggnichso]

And then people wonder why Eurosceptics exist


The EU and their crony neoliberal leadership has brought this upon itself.

But One of the biggest proponents of neoliberalism was the U.K....?

 

[Arksy]

No really, Hugh Laurie did tweet that.

Well played.

 

[Dirca]

1.7 million signatures.



Both are very valid forms of protest, especially as this one goes directly to the government and with 100k votes on any subject they're obligated to discuss it in parliament.

Same thing happens in the US. When Texas wanted to secede, the online petition was discussed. Then it was dismissed. Parliament may very well discuss it, but I wouldn't hold my breath for much more.

 

[MrS]

Hope it happens, but let's be honest, it won't.

And really, it shouldn't. People voted for this.

You're right mate. I respect the maturity of this and wish others could be as mature.

 

[cyberheater]

Absurd.

Feel free to back it up with educated reasoning.

These things have and will always be decided by a simple majority. That will never change.
The petition is just a last ditch attempt by sore losers trying to reverse a democratically arrived decision.

 

[Ogodei]

Let it go man.

Democracy was excercised, the vote was to leave.

Ask yourself if remainers would act the same were the results reversed

Farage literally said he would keep campaigning if the results were reversed (he predicted about this margin for Remain).

 

[Carl2291]

It's a good idea to change the rules for future votes, but this one was done fairly and should stand.

 

[Zakalwe]

Yes let's petition for another referendum everytime we lose.

Democracy where are you at?

And winning the most votes didn't express the will of the people? The problem isn't with the winning conditions, the problem is with lack of education and ignorant people voting without thinking. Requiring a certain majority won't solve this, and requiring a certain turnout seems like a lofty dream unless people are going to be compelled (forced) to vote

Let it go man.

Democracy was excercised, the vote was to leave.

Ask yourself if remainers would act the same were the results reversed

70% Remain vote to stay in EU. Seems fair. Oh wait, why does one side get an advantage again? And which side (The side you chose)

Undemocratic.

The majority voted to leave. However the vote swung you're going to have unhappy people.

doubt anything will happen. we voted and the decision has been made. they aren't gonna have another referendum. we need to learn to lie in the bed we made now.

Nothing will happen. Imagine the shoe was on the other foot and remain one, I doubt we'd even be debating this.

Fact is some people can't accept they lost, and I'm willing to bet that the majority of signatures on this are all remain voters.

A second referendum would be undemocratic, undermining any result if you could just ask to vote again if you're unhappy with the result.

There is however another way to do it: come the next general elections, if a person runs for PM with their primary argument being "If you elect me, I will stop the leaving process" gets elected, then UK would have democratically turned over the results of this referendum. It's the only way I can see it being fair for both camps. Elect someone campaigning on Getting Back In, and you will have your tables turned.



Oh, well, fuck.



Hmm...

It's over. Let it go.

It's pointless bro.

The Brits made their bed. Now they have to sleep in it

Really? Sure seems like it. It was a simply in/out vote and out got the majority. You don't get to keep going until you get the result you want.

What if the results were flipped?

I think I was one of few people that never wanted this referendum in the first place, I didn't hear anyone else whining about it before the result came. Point is we all knew what the terms were.

+ the similar posts made after these.

How to deliver a second referendum

I think the electorate will come quickly to appreciate that the &#8216;look behind you&#8217; of the Remain campaign did not warn of an approaching pantomime villain. Rather, there is a very real likelihood of a very meaningful deterioration in the lives of a great many people. The fruits of victory may quickly turn to ashes in the mouths of Brexiteers. It is, I think, likely that the EU will seek to engage the UK public directly &#8211; and I very much hope they do. And, although here I speculate, I do sense an ongoing ambivalence on the part of Boris Johnson to the creature he has delivered. Where lies his place in history on delivering a disaster to a country he loves? Mix these ingredients together and you have the recipe for a refreshed democratic mandate for Remain.

There are ways for this to happen. Giving up should not be the choice we make.

These things have and will always be decided by a simple majority. That will never change.
The petition is just a last ditch attempt by sore losers trying to reverse a democratically arrived decision.

It's actually democracy in action. Get informed.

 

[Aressa]

I like the this system. I love how orgnized the UK is. I wish we have a similar system but sadly it's like we live in another planet. But I love my country of course.

 

[Kadayi]

We've nuked our economy and a lot of people's future prospects

Hyperbole much? We're not even remotely near leaving the EU yet in real world terms (that's not going to happen for at least two years), so I think it's a bit presumptive barely two days after the result to declare it the end times for the UK at this juncture.

Way too many people in this and the other thread, doom mongering based on knee jerk conjecture, with little or no basis in reality.

Sure the worlds shocked and everyone's taken aback, but political and economic self-interest in a stable global market place mean that things will level out. However, it's fair to say that there will be a period of instability until the bureaucrats have mapped out the details, but this notion that the UK will plunge into the dark ages unchecked is an emotional belief versus a rational one.

 

[Haunted]

As I understand, the results of a referendum aren't legally binding, though it'd be unprecedented to not turn the recommendation of an approved referendum into law.

This might be one of those cases where politicans might consider going for the latter, because it's so important for the future prosperity of the UK and its people.

 

[CyclopsRock]

Parliament is sovereign, and they can always make referendums legally binding, not legally binding, with turnout limits or victory margins. They have done all these things in various configurations in the past, so it's not like they don't know how to. These were the established rules for this referendum. We don't need another.

 

[The Adder]

If Remain had won, would you be pushing for a new vote?

If not, your main problem isn't with the process, it's with the result.

If remain had won it wouldn't have won irrevocably. There would be opportunity to reasses in the future. And with a 52-48 vote, damn right they would be. Especially if the remain side came out the next day announcing everything they campaigned on was a lie.

Unfortunately the leave vote doesn't allow for nearly the same window to reasses. Following through means there can be no change for decades. It makes sense, with a vote that close, with the leave leaders admitting to being bald faced liars, to take a closer look.

 

[Zakalwe]

If remain had won it wouldn't have won irrevocably. There would be opportunity to reasses in the future. And with a 52-48 vote, damn right they would be. Especially if the remain side came out the next day announcing everything they campaigned on was a lie.

Unfortunately the leave vote doesn't allow for nearly the same window to reasses. Following through means there can be no change for decades. It makes sense, with a vote that close, with the leave leaders admitting to being bald faced liars, to take a closer look.

Well said.

 

[Auctopus]

Whilst I agree a second referendum call is pointless and will never happen, I wish people would stop referring to the UK as a single entity as if this vote was cast as 99% Leave.

 

[cyberheater]

It's actually democracy in action. Get informed.

No. It's an attempt to subvert the democratic process. Quite the reverse of what you think.

 

[Haunted]

Whilst I agree a second referendum call is pointless and will never happen, I wish people would stop referring to the UK as a single entity as if this vote was cast as 99% Leave.

It'll be interesting to see whether Scotland (and Northern Ireland?) will try and get out of the UK to stay with the EU instead. Both voted to remain.


Going from "Great Britain" to "Little England"... it could happen.

 

[Zakalwe]

No. It's an attempt to subvert the democratic process. Quite the reverse of what you think.

Read the article. You're wrong and your bandying your ignorance about with your fingers in your ears shouting "YOU'RE WRONG I CAN'T HEAR YOU".

Unless you can offer intelligent retort to the article I posted you have no ground to stand on with your claims.

 

[Sakura]

1.7 million signatures.

Around 15 million people voted to remain. Of course there will be several million signatures for another referendum lol.