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[robotrock]

But what if the game is not that good?

Then I hope publishers and developers are still encouraged by the marketing to make bright and colorful video games that aim for humor.

Neogaf PewDiePie community

There seems to be quite a few fans in this thread. I mean, not much, but still. I doubt many PewDiePie fans come out to these threads as they are pretty negative towards the man himself.

 

[BiGBoSSMk23]

That's exactly why big publishers love him and other Youtube personalities like him and are so eager to pay to have their games shown on the channel.

From a publishers pov, Youtube influencers combine all the positives they're looking for - a wide reach and strong influence on a young and easily manipulated demographic, while having none of the journalistic ethics strings attached, like forced disclosure or attempted neutrality.

Are PewDiePie and his popularity the culprits of this phenomenon?

Besides, that's the point of Let's Plays, to see a person play a game you're interested in.

I see that as a plus on top of reading a journalist's thorough review.

 

[lonedigitalwolf]

PewDiePie is not my cup of tea in the slightest, but I'm hoping his endorsement of this game gives it a lot of traffic. I want this thing to sell well, I don't want publishers associating colorful new IPs with bad sales.

Good luck with your hopes/wishes, i don't see it happening unfortunately.

 

[C.Dark.DN]

Oh no, it's over. This guy put Skate 3 back on charts after one video. Millions of kids aged 7-16 are going to want an X1 to play this game.

Put him on the chalkboard then.

 

[WiiRevolution1]

Why does most of yall have to hate Pewdiepie?

He is good people. He makes me laugh. Him losing it while trying to play The Impossible Quiz (1,2,&3) is hilarious.

A lot of people on GAF are negative about PewDiePie. There is a community on GAF that likes his content though, so there should probably be a community thread to discuss his videos in a more positive fashion, rather than this quarterly hate thread.

I'd be down for this!

 

[sappyday]

Oh no, it's over. This guy put Skate 3 back on charts after one video. Millions of kids aged 7-16 are going to want an X1 to play this game.

I wish Dark Souls got a big boost in sales when he was playing it. Imagine a 10 year old buying Dark Souls just cause PewDiePie was playing it.

 

[Danomeon]

But what if the game is not that good?

Obviously I don't want the game to be bad, that would not be a good outcome. I'll be reading reviews and watching the gameplay footage to consider my purchase as well, I'm not assuming the game will be as good as its concept implies.

Still, I just want a colorful new IP to sell well. Preferably a good colorful new IP. Just to show publishers that they can take some risks with the tone of their game and still sell well.

 

[Haunted]

Other sites and Youtube channels have dedicated threads here on GAF, so I don't know why "Pewdiepie" or "Teens React" shouldn't have their own threads as well. Would be up to the fans to make these, I suppose.

Are PewDiePie and his popularity the culprits of this phenomenon?

Besides, that's the point of Let's Plays, to see a person play a game you're interested in.

I see that as a plus on top of reading a journalist's thorough review.

Youtube personalities and publishers are enjoying a business relationship that benefits both sides tremendously.

 

[RamzaIsCool]

I wonder what the pricetag is for him to play a game on his channel. I reckon the indiedevs don't have to pay much, but a company like MS would have to open its checkbook. It's part of the games marketing budget I guess.

Interesting to see how these company's deal with this youtube personality thing. For example I bet a shitload of them will be flown over to Vegas and taken care off on Sony's expense for that Playstation event.

 

[De_Legend]

Then I hope publishers and developers are still encouraged by the marketing to make bright and colorful video games that aim for humor.

There seems to be quite a few fans in this thread. I mean, not much, but still. I doubt many PewDiePie fans come out to these threads as they are pretty negative towards the man himself.

Oh, ok.

 

[Chobel]

Does he have to adhere to these guidelines?

He's already subject to YouTube's copyright laws, but that's it. Also, is doing a Let's Play considered an endorsement?

If he's in US and most European countries (where they have similar laws), yes he has to. YouTube's copyright laws are different to FTC guidelines and they co-exist together so he should follow all of them. LPs are usually considered endorsement when the Lper gets paid.

 

[GnawtyDog]

Youtube personalities and publishers are enjoying a healthy business relationship that benefits both sides tremendously.

Well, it's hard to say if the third side, the consumer, is better off without proper disclosure and ethical standards but yeah from a business stand-point, win-win.

 

[De_Legend]

Obviously I don't want the game to be bad, that would not be a good outcome. I'll be reading reviews and watching the gameplay footage to consider my purchase as well, I'm not assuming the game will be as good as its concept implies.

Still, I just want a colorful new IP to sell well. Preferably a good colorful new IP. Just to show publishers that they can take some risks with the tone of their game and still sell well.

Of course, I love colorful games as well, there is not enough of them out there.

 

[Haunted]

Well, it's hard to say if the third side, the consumer is better off without proper disclosure but yeah from a business stand-point, win-win.

I think it's very easy to say that consumers are on the losing end of this deal, and that is indeed what I wanted to imply with the way I worded my last post.

 

[king grimlock]

I wonder what the pricetag is for him to play a game on his channel. I reckon the indiedevs don't have to pay much, but a company like MS would have to open its checkbook. It's part of the games marketing budget I guess.

Interesting to see how these company's deal with this youtube personality thing. For example I bet a shitload of them will be flown over to Vegas and taken care off on Sony's expense for that Playstation event.

i'm willing to bet you could find the money needed from a couch at most big companies/publishers

 

[shacklesmcgee]

Holy shit, people did we forget the X1 YouTube fiasco already? You HAVE to disclose you are being paid to promote a product

 

[robotrock]

Holy shit, people did we forget the X1 YouTube fiasco already? You HAVE to disclose you are being paid to promote a product

I may have forgot. What was this?

 

[GnawtyDog]

I think it's very easy to say that consumers are on the losing end of this deal.

Well, you always have to weight-in the benefit of having the content shown to you. Even if that content is shown in a way to sway you to make a purchase - on purpose - without your knowledge, and without sufficient/all pertinent information.

 

[Killroyskbg]

He doesn't have to say buy the game, all he gotta do is talk about the game in non negative way, it's called endorsement. And most countries should have similar guidelines to FTC, especially European countries.

So if i receive a game or other product and like it I cant tell that to my friends?

 

[BlackBuzzard]

I may have forgot. What was this?

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?p=97846370?

 

[GnawtyDog]

So if i receive a game or other product and like it I cant tell that to my friends?

You can. Are you getting paid to do so tho?

 

[robotrock]

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?p=97846370?

Oh yes, of course. I can't believe I forgot this actually hahaha. Crazy.

 

[PeregrinSe7en]

this PewDiePie hate is becoming very stupid and petty. No one is forced to watch his videos so are so why many people here just spewing hate. He does what he does because he loves it and can make money from it and I respect that. If i found his videos annoying I'll just turn it off. Its not as if youtube forces everyone to watch it. Does a lot of people who have youtube channels get a ton of hate here? I see the same type of hate towards angryjoe too.

yeah i agree it's really absurd the hate for this guy. and angry joe

mindless hate should be a bannable offense

 

[Chobel]

I may have forgot. What was this?

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=754946

EDIT: Beaten.

 

[Haunted]

Interesting to see how these company's deal with this youtube personality thing. For example I bet a shitload of them will be flown over to Vegas and taken care off on Sony's expense for that Playstation event.

Compare a major presentation/press/community event from 5 years ago and one from this year and you'd be shocked how much the focus of the publishers has shifted away from gaming sites to the modern influencers on Youtube and Twitch.

 

[BlackBuzzard]

So if i receive a game or other product and like it I cant tell that to my friends?

Are you getting paid 1000s of dollars for it?

 

[ikariX]

Can't fucking stand the guy

 

[SatelliteOfLove]

His LCD schtick working on kids and dullards and it enraging so many others isn't a mystery, but the impassioned devil's advocacy against the latter is definately perplexing.

Here: watch this instead of posting how much he sucks or in defense of a man who makes 7-digits a year. It'll larn you up on video games but good, too!

Or, if SO videos are a thing you need, skip the shady fact-obscuring world of YTers-as-hired-PR and watch Brad, who was playing this for review earlier (and donations to sick kids).

i'm willing to bet you could find the money needed from a couch at most big companies/publishers

Exactly.

 

[FlamingHawk]

I use to think NeoGAF members were the most mature gamers, that was until I read all these replies.

 

[DJKhaled]

I liked his Jet Set Radio reference at the start.. yeah he is a bit irritating but just don't watch it if you don't like him.

EDIT: also, how can you hate a guy that boosted Skate 3 sales, if we get a Skate 4 he might be responsible.

 

[Killroyskbg]

You can. Are you getting paid to do so tho?

I receive free samples of different cheese, sausages, candy and other products you name it at my grocery. When I like something i recommend it to friends and family.

Got free haircut to promote new low price studio and since it was good and cheap I now recommend it.

If that is against laws... *Judas Priest blasts the stereo*

[edit] sry late here. never got paid....

 

[HK-47]

Compare a major presentation/press/community event from 5 years ago and one from this year and you'd be shocked how much the focus of the publishers has shifted away from gaming sites to the modern influencers on Youtube and Twitch.

But he isnt a journalist so its ok, stop whining about brand deals. Arent games suppose to be fun? Youtubers are just having fun. /s

 

[GnawtyDog]

I receive free samples of different cheese, sausages, candy and other products you name it at my grocery. When I like something i recommend it to friends and family.

Got free haircut to promote new low price studio and since it was good and cheap I now recommend it.

If that is against laws... *Judas Priest blasts the stereo*

It's against the law if it can be proven in a court of law that the transaction that occurred (the free sample) was a bribe to sway your opinion into doing a certain deed. Free samples in stores are generally not considered a bribe by any means - merely a product try out.

If you get paid to promote said product on top of getting it for free and you fail to disclose it while "promoting it" on channels like Television, Radio etc...yep, against the law.

 

[Haunted]

But he isnt a journalist so its ok, stop whining about brand deals. Arent games suppose to be fun? Youtubers are just having fun. /s

#notallyoutubepersonalities

 

[ukpanik]

I receive free samples of different cheese, sausages, candy and other products you name it at my grocery. When I like something i recommend it to friends and family.

 

[nilbog21]

Does this guy play Dota? I played with a guy with that ID

 

[hyatari]

Always suspected that there was a pretty big overlap between NeoGAF users and people who start PewDiePie arguments in youtube comments, nice to see some confirmation.

 

[Jeff-DSA]

Always suspected that there was a pretty big overlap between NeoGAF users and people who start PewDiePie arguments in youtube comments, nice to see some confirmation.

The overlap is called "adulthood."

I honestly don't see how he can be appealing to anybody other than younger teens who think that anything is entertainment as long as it's on the Internet.

 

[sappyday]

Does this guy play Dota? I played with a guy with that ID

I'd imagine there are a lot of copycats out there and major fans who use his name.

 

[Ban Puncher]

 

[shacklesmcgee]

Interesting to see how these company's deal with this youtube personality thing. For example I bet a shitload of them will be flown over to Vegas and taken care off on Sony's expense for that Playstation event.

And those people/journalists are supposed to disclose that too.

 

[Chobel]

I receive free samples of different cheese, sausages, candy and other products you name it at my grocery. When I like something i recommend it to friends and family.(1)

Got free haircut to promote new low price studio and since it was good and cheap I now recommend it. (2)

If that is against laws... *Judas Priest blasts the stereo*

[edit] sry late here. never got paid....

The first one, it doesn't seem like they sending samples for endorsement, more like they're sending samples to you specifically, so maybe you buy the products later. So I say not against FTC rules.

The second one is the definition of paid endorsement, it's against FTC rules if you don't disclose it. However I doubt anyone is going to enforce the guidelines in your case, still unethical though.

 

[Killroyskbg]

It's against the law if it can be proven in a court of law that the transaction that occurred (the free sample) was a bribe to sway your opinion into doing a certain deed. Free samples in stores are generally not considered a bribe by any means - merely a product try out.

If you get paid to promote said product on top of getting it for free and you fail to disclose it while "promoting it" on channels like Television, Radio etc...yep, against the law.

So when is it not considered a product try out? Is there a sum of money it need to exceed? Otherwise I see nothing that is different from my example and PDP getting the game from MS with no "rules".

 

[Mecha]

I don't dislike him as a person, but I dislike his channel and others like it. If a video has a title like "SCARIEST GAME EVER - I CRAPPED MYSELF" and the thumbnail is an image of the broadcaster acting scared with some poorly photoshopped "creepy" background, I tend not to click on it.

 

[Haunted]

I think I'd really enjoy a dedicated Pewdiepie thread on GAF.

 

[Lain]

Game looks very good, but it also looks sorta... slow.

 

[robotrock]

I think I'd really enjoy a dedicated Pewdiepie thread on GAF.

I have to imagine everyone would

 

[Ban Puncher]

I think I'd really enjoy a dedicated Pewdiepie thread on GAF.

Like Ebola quarantine.

 

[hyatari]

The overlap is called "adulthood."

I honestly don't see how he can be appealing to anybody other than younger teens who think that anything is entertainment as long as it's on the Internet.

Adulthood is realising that nobody cares about your dumb opinion about how much you hate PewDiePie and resisting the urge to make a pointless "hey guys you know how much I hate PewDiePie???? a WHOLE LOT" comment, as seen on the entire first page of this thread. Hence Youtube comments section comparison.

 

[GnawtyDog]

So when is it not considered a product try out? Is there a sum of money it need to exceed? Otherwise I see nothing that is different from my example and PDP getting the game from MS with no "rules".

If the publisher gives you the game for free with the intent that you promote said product to the masses, and not just for your own consumption - then that qualifies as endorsement and advertisement which should require disclosure. In the event of a transaction (money), it's even more obvious to establish intent.

I am no lawyer but I did study this once in Business Law.....2nd year of college. Still have the book - never got good resale value for it so I kept it. Forgot most it. I think that's kinda how it works.